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LUBE UP YOUR BUTT
Jun 30, 2008

Whiz Palace posted:

This is a good article, but I worry it might have come about of a need to deflect the plane's failings onto the poor and non-white.

edit: ^^^ yeah, that too.

I'm an unabashed Langewiesche fan and I think understanding the context is important to getting why he's so quick to blame the pilot(s). Particularly that he is
1. experienced flying both recreationally and commercially and;
2. his father literally wrote the book on the stick and rudder skills he emphasises in his articles

He doesn't come from it so much from a 'corporations can do no wrong' (in fact, if anything he seems resigned to their existence) as from the perspective that ultimately a pilot lulled into the belief that his airplane isn't going to try and kill him at any moment, particularly when there are a couple of hundred passengers in the back.

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Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

MizPiz posted:

The unnerving part's gonna happen when he gets off for the third time and finds his fourth black, homeless kid to groom and murder

https://twitter.com/ABC7/status/1174155220378513408?s=19

lol gently caress rich people

Bonster
Mar 3, 2007

Keep rolling, rolling

pookel posted:

The fact that this person had this reaction to a story about a kid who was forced to sleep naked on the floor within a small square of tape, monitored with security cameras, is pretty horrifying. Like, that wasn't a claim made by the kid, that was observed by social workers. There is no behavior by a child that justifies that treatment - none.

Cross-posting this post I made from the rejected parents thread in GBS on this case:

me posted:

Someone else posted about "research RAD" as if the kid having an attachment disorder excuses abuse.

But then again, attachment therapy is pretty much custom made for this sort of parent.

https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/at.html
https://www.srmhp.org/0102/attachment-therapy.html
http://www.childrenintherapy.org/essays/overview.html

quote:

Parents are advised to maintain control over a child with “firm and continuous pressure,” i.e., strict discipline, as if the child was hemorrhaging to death. When a child isn’t enduring more holding therapy at home, many additional “parenting” techniques are used to show the child that his mother is in complete control:

Isolation. An objective is to have a child’s only contact be his mother until he has sufficiently formed a primary attachment with her. Commonly, a child is kept away from siblings and friends, and out of school for “long vacations.” (Education, by the way, is considered a privilege that must be earned and not a right.) He may also be kept away from extended family members.

Excessive exercising. If a child does something the wrong way — e.g., answers a question with an “I don’t know” — he will be assigned push-ups or jumping-jack exercises, supposedly to get adequate levels of oxygen in his brain.

Pointless chores. Tasks are assigned for their maximum unpleasantness, repetitiveness, and uselessness. Shoveling manure is often mentioned. Adult survivors describe having to wash every dish in a kitchen if a spot is found on a single glass. Several report having to move a woodpile from one place to another and back; one had to pick up dog feces and leaves with her fingers.

Inadequate diet/starvation. Many children are maintained on peanut butter sandwiches or cold oatmeal for weeks or months at a time. One AT/P “parenting specialist” recommended “soup kitchen” food — something the child should be told he’ll need to get accustomed to. Ingestion of sugar, considered a “bonding food,” is strictly controlled, dispensed not as a reward but as a control mechanism.

Restricted environment. A child’s bedroom is kept mostly bare, with locks or alarms on the door and windows. One survivor claims several AT/P establishments in Colorado have “scream rooms” in their basements — locked, windowless rooms with no toilet — where children may spend days or weeks locked away in isolation.

“AT/P Paradoxical Techniques.” Parents are supposed to act unpredictably and irrationally with a child in order to keep him “off balance,” i.e., unable to “manipulate” situations. Another AT paradoxical practice is making a child gorge on any food he may have been caught sneaking.

Demonizing. Children are belittled and taunted outside of therapy. Since much, if not all, of a child’s behavior is suspected of stemming from evil motives or being cunningly manipulative, even good behavior by a child is frequently dismissed. Complaints of ill health are deliberately ignored as mere attention-getting. Indeed, some children have gone without needed medical attention for serious conditions until they become emancipated at age 18. Children treated this way are believed to be insensate to pain, while super-sentitive to light touch. They supposedly injure themselves so that abuse charges might come against their caregivers. A leading AT parenting specialist claims that she doesn’t allow Attachment-Disordered children to pray, because she can’t be sure who they are praying to, implying Satanic affiliation on the part of the child.

Compliance training. Children are expected to comply with all adult request with alacrity: “fast and snappy, and right the first time [just the way mom wants it]” is the refrain. Orders are to be obeyed unquestioningly. For example, should a child fail to close an upstairs door, he may be ordered to do it — fast and snappy — hundreds of times. As a gauge of a child’s unquestioning obedience, he may be frequently asked to repetitively flush an unused toilet. One session with a child was observed on videotape, where she was put through what the “Therapeutic Foster Parent” (TFP) called “your basic German Shepherd” — repeated, rapid commands of come, go back, sit, stand.

“Strong sitting.” Resembling the old standby of “standing in the corner,” strong (or power) sitting, is not used for just punishment. At frequent times during a day, a child is required to sit, tailor-fashion, utterly motionless for 10-30 minutes at a time. A required length of time is set at the beginning (usually 3 minutes, plus one minute for each year of age), but the time does not start to run until the child has gone completely motionless and is staring straight ahead, so the actual sitting can run into hours.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's where the "she can't talk to anyone else" comes from. It's basically crushing the child's spirit until they become compliant and no longer display negative emotions.

Adding that the restricted food, cameras and extreme control of movement fit into this. I'm not saying they did "attachment therapy", but it would be very appealing to this kind of parent.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
That's triggering as gently caress to me. :catstare:

Jesus man. How can people be so cruel and teach it as love? I'm personally familiar with a lot of these "therapies".

Busket Posket
Feb 5, 2010

✨ⓡⓐⓨⓜⓞⓝⓓ✨

MizPiz posted:

The unnerving part's gonna happen when he gets off for the third time and finds his fourth black, homeless kid to groom and murder

https://twitter.com/ABC7/status/1174155220378513408?s=19

I honestly figured he’d be in the double digits before charges were even discussed. But, as far as we know, he may already be.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


LUBE UP YOUR BUTT posted:

I'm an unabashed Langewiesche fan and I think understanding the context is important to getting why he's so quick to blame the pilot(s). Particularly that he is
1. experienced flying both recreationally and commercially and;
2. his father literally wrote the book on the stick and rudder skills he emphasises in his articles

He doesn't come from it so much from a 'corporations can do no wrong' (in fact, if anything he seems resigned to their existence) as from the perspective that ultimately a pilot lulled into the belief that his airplane isn't going to try and kill him at any moment, particularly when there are a couple of hundred passengers in the back.
Wow, that's awesome. (re his father) He is absolutely right about the pilots being undertrained, and about the corruption inherent in that undertraining. But there's also some weird cultural stuff going on -- what's wrong about chorusing "Thank you!" (or whatever) in unison?

It's not that I think he thinks corporations can do no wrong, it's that I think he's passing over lightly the wrongs that Boeing, specifically, committed. There have been multiple articles on how badly the Boeing safety culture -- not just this individual decision, but the culture -- has broken down. His look at the history of commercial aviation in Indonesia is fascinating. I remember knowing "never, ever fly Garuda" but I didn't realize how much bigger the problem was than one airline.

Bonster
Mar 3, 2007

Keep rolling, rolling

Wasabi the J posted:

That's triggering as gently caress to me. :catstare:

Jesus man. How can people be so cruel and teach it as love? I'm personally familiar with a lot of these "therapies".

I'm sorry to hear that. You deserved better.

It's infuriating, because the kids being put through this are the kids who most need protection from it. Not that any kid would benefit, but it's particularly pushed towards parents of mentally ill children and those who have experienced abuse and deprivation. Your kid's having trouble, you provide love and firm but reasonable limits, and support from qualified professionals, you don't follow cult indoctrination techniques and psychological torture.

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos
In other "powerful people getting away with being murder-rapists" news

https://twitter.com/THR/status/1174341459308437504?s=19

Which is actually the second time this has happened



And just to cap it off, let me remind you of this video he did when the accusations were heating up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZveA-NAIDI

Sarcopenia
May 14, 2014

MizPiz posted:

The unnerving part's gonna happen when he gets off for the third time and finds his fourth black, homeless kid to groom and murder

https://twitter.com/ABC7/status/1174155220378513408?s=19
loving finally. Dude's a serial killer.

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Content Warning: Catholic Church and all that entails :pedo:

fauna
Dec 6, 2018


Caught between two worlds...
my body is as vast and hungry as the ocean

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Ironically the ocean is more thirsty than hungry. All the salt dehydrates it.

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?
I'm dumb and still don't get how saltwater dehydrates and kills a person when both water and salt are good things for you. :pseudo:

spookykid
Apr 28, 2006

I am an awkward fellow
after all
Too much salt makes your guts go sideways. Your body is like "welps not having any of that" and you poo poo/vomit it all out, along with the water you ingested, and whatever else helps it evacuate (even more water and whatever else was in there) and soon you have no more water and die of dehydration!

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

The only way your body can get rid of salt is via urine. If the water you're drinking is saltier than the saltiest possible urine your body can produce, then every litre of water you drink and then piss out will leave some salt behind in your body. High salt levels means your body produces more urine to try and get rid of it, making you thirsty, so you drink more water....
Fairly quickly, you either stop drinking and die of dehydration or keep drinking and die of hypernatremia.
As Danny says, your body will try to protect you from this fate by vomiting up the salt water before it leaves the stomach.

slinkimalinki
Jan 17, 2010

MizPiz posted:

The unnerving part's gonna happen when he gets off for the third time and finds his fourth black, homeless kid to groom and murder

https://twitter.com/ABC7/status/1174155220378513408?s=19

Well, turns out I'm a fuckin idiot, because I thought at least he'd have some obstacles put in his way after the last one.

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?
Oh, so it’s not that it’s salty water it’s that there’s just too much goddamn salt in general

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug

Kitfox88 posted:

Oh, so it’s not that it’s salty water it’s that there’s just too much goddamn salt in general

Basically yes; there are things that can drink salt water but they're way better at getting rid of salt than humans are. The human body is weird in that it's actually pretty inefficient with water use compared to basically everything else; we can get away with that because we're smart enough to figure out new sources of water like digging wells or just wiping out the predators at the water hole.

Electrolyte imbalance is also a thing; hydration is actually more than just water. You can actually get water toxicity or die from having too much water as your electrolytes go out of balance and that fucks everything up.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
I recall the big thing about the human body is that a sentient brain is a MASSIVE energy hog, and upright bipedalism, seen almost nowhere else in nature, requires a lot of structural compromises.

Evolution isn't smart or guided, it's mutating whatever the hell it wants and seeing what lives long enough to reproduce.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Kitfox88 posted:

Oh, so it’s not that it’s salty water it’s that there’s just too much goddamn salt in general

Your body has a water 'budget' where it's trying to balance the water available to it against all the various processes that need water. If you drink a cup of seawater you've added one cup of water to the 'assets' column, but you've added more than one cup's worth to the 'liabilities' column so you're actually further behind than when you started.

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!
Your body isn’t as good at putting salt in water as the ocean is

LOLbertsons
Apr 8, 2009

This one has a bit of everything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Susana_Field_Laboratory

Liquid rocket propellant. Liquid metals! Multiple nuclear reactors without containment buildings. OSHA-approved hazardous material handling....NOT!

In an article full of WTF, is probably the most :stare: thing to me:

quote:

On December 11, 2002, a Department of Energy (DOE) official, Mike Lopez, described typical clean-up procedures executed by Field Lab employees in the past. Workers would dispose of barrels filled with highly toxic waste by shooting the barrels with rifles so that they would explode and release their contents into the air. It is unclear when this process ended, but for certain did end prior to the 1990s.

They built the lab up on top of this hill in the 1940's, since it was far away from any urban centers. Today there are over half a million people living within a 10 mile radius of the site.

LOLbertsons has a new favorite as of 14:38 on Sep 19, 2019

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

.
Proving once again there's no problem a gun can't solve!

Sarcopenia
May 14, 2014
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1174572076629483520?s=19
Another day another cop brazenly being a cop on camera.

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


So that's why UAC had all those loving explosive barrels sitting around everywhere by 1993

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp

Bonster posted:

Cross-posting this post I made from the rejected parents thread in GBS on this case:

Adding that the restricted food, cameras and extreme control of movement fit into this. I'm not saying they did "attachment therapy", but it would be very appealing to this kind of parent.
I looked, but I couldn't find the thread, do you have a link?

I like to hate-read this stuff, I don't know why.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

Sarcopenia posted:

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1174572076629483520?s=19
Another day another cop brazenly being a cop on camera.

So, like, was he getting bonuses/bounties for finding drugs? Taking cash and vehicles for his department through civil forfeiture? What the gently caress is this man’s motivation?

I guess a bunch of charges were dropped, but there are surely plenty of cases that already plead out due to prosecutorial strong arming and false confessions. I wonder how many of those lucky people will be in jail for 30+ years due to incompetent bureaucracy before they finally get released with no admission of wrongdoing from the state? I’m guessing 7.

RCarr
Dec 24, 2007

There are always incentives for cops to arrest more people. Promotions, etc.

Croatoan
Jun 24, 2005

I am inevitable.
ROBBLE GROBBLE

RCarr posted:

There are always incentives for cops to arrest more people. Promotions, etc.

Uhh sir, you have no proof. There's no "official" documentation for those claims or things like speeding ticket quotas. So therefore we must lick cop boots.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
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Holy poo poo I'm pissed off

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Brawnfire posted:

Holy poo poo I'm pissed off

Be pissed, he's just the one that went down. Also the video is wrong, he got bail it was just a high one (170k)

That's the norm for policing in America. A good cop makes arrests and writes tickets. You may think that fewer arrests and fewer tickets and cops never drawing their guns on people is a good thing and a sign of a healthy community, but actually it means we are being Soft On Crime. If there isn't crime, make crime, then defeat it.

One of my good friends I've known since I was a kid went into policing and between like 22 and 26 he became a buzzcut scumbag who will defend any and all arrests and shootings because even if the "criminal" is proven innocent then "just look at these people, you know they deserved it" (*because they are black/poor/young/have a different accent/drive the wrong car/posted about weed on facebook once/are different from him in any way at all)

Edgar Allen Ho has a new favorite as of 18:31 on Sep 19, 2019

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Oct 15, 2012

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To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
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Biscuit Hider
IIRC there was a cop who talked down an armed criminal and resolved the situation without any violence and then got fired because he didn't shoot the guy.

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

Sarcopenia posted:

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1174572076629483520?s=19
Another day another cop brazenly being a cop on camera.

https://twitter.com/nickmullen/status/1174704498046046208?s=19

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
https://linktr.ee/Cylindricule

Jesus Christ, to think how many of these cockpigs are walking around making peoples' lives Hell. This is my biggest problem with "the war on drugs": it gives loving fuzz a small thing they can slip into a person's car or pocket to send them instantly to jail. It's hosed up. The guy crying, the guy losing his daughter, these people were just travelling from place to place as they have a right to do, and they end up irrevocably hosed so some half-chub-toting Nazi can get a better holiday bonus. I'm glad that he's a cop in jail because he's earned every "treat" that entitles him to.

HelleSpud
Apr 1, 2010

pookel posted:

I looked, but I couldn't find the thread, do you have a link?

I like to hate-read this stuff, I don't know why.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3893726&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind

nvm

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

.
Cops can be terrifying. I was sleeping with a Chicago cop for a little while about a year or so ago. She tracked me down to a bar I don't normally hang out at to give me a birthday present like months after we stopped seeing each other. I still have no idea how she found me, but my guess is some sort of tracking thing using my phone number. I had to talk to her partner to tell him that we had stopped seeing each other and that she kept popping up places where I was at. I think he had a talk with her because she apologized and said she didn't mean to weird me out. There was a lot of really weird poo poo with that situation and looking back I'm glad it all worked out well. All she had to do was decide she wanted me in jail so I'd have to ask for her help and it would have happened in seconds.

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

Solice Kirsk posted:

Cops can be terrifying. I was sleeping with a Chicago cop for a little while about a year or so ago. She tracked me down to a bar I don't normally hang out at to give me a birthday present like months after we stopped seeing each other. I still have no idea how she found me, but my guess is some sort of tracking thing using my phone number. I had to talk to her partner to tell him that we had stopped seeing each other and that she kept popping up places where I was at. I think he had a talk with her because she apologized and said she didn't mean to weird me out. There was a lot of really weird poo poo with that situation and looking back I'm glad it all worked out well. All she had to do was decide she wanted me in jail so I'd have to ask for her help and it would have happened in seconds.

Can I have her number?

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

I LIKE TO MOVE IT

Solice Kirsk posted:

All she had to do was decide she wanted me in jail so I'd have to ask for her help and it would have happened in seconds.

Or just suck it up and embrace that jail life. Join a gang, make some toilet wine. Enjoy.

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Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009

christmas boots posted:

IIRC there was a cop who talked down an armed criminal and resolved the situation without any violence and then got fired because he didn't shoot the guy.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/12/stephen-mader-west-virginia-police-officer-settles-lawsuit

If you're thinking of the same one I am, then it was worse than that. Dude correctly guesses that a suicidal man isn't a threat to him (the article doesn't mention it but I think it turned out that the gun wasn't loaded anyway, just going off of memory though). While he's trying to talk the guy down, two cops cowboy up and gun him down. Original cop gets fired for "not responding to a threat" and told that it was better to make a wrong decision than appear indecisive. Disgusting.

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