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lol yes the Cypriots are more European than Turks in Izmir who are chilling on the Aegean opposite Greece.
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Economic factors? Not too familiar with Scotland's history, it is known as prosperous today but it could be one of those places that only really took off within the past few decades, like Finland. I know that they had lots of industry around Glasgow, but I also remember reading that conditions were exceptionally miserable there.
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Sep 18, 2019 23:33
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Saladman posted:Using context clues, it was probably this: lol. even if they highlighted the correct colorado, i guarantee 95% of the weed in new mexico came from there
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Sep 18, 2019 23:33
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wtf why would California import ditch weed from Colorado when California has the Emerald Triangle?
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Platystemon posted:I thought Colorado was the Mile‐high State, not the Two‐hundred‐and‐forty‐miles‐high State. I just don't get it.
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Phlegmish posted:Why does it divide Belarus into two Pre-war Polish border?
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Platystemon posted:Even by antiquated racist French textbook standards, Scotland being less European than Spain is weird. Kind of hard to tell, but it looks like its not following the scotland/england border at all but goes from about Ayr to Edinburgh.
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Phlegmish posted:Economic factors? Not too familiar with Scotland's history, it is known as prosperous today but it could be one of those places that only really took off within the past few decades, like Finland. I know that they had lots of industry around Glasgow, but I also remember reading that conditions were exceptionally miserable there. If the darker colors were supposed to show longer term wealth, than Iberia and southern Italy would definitely not be black.
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Wow watch Slovenia start a loving war
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Milo and POTUS posted:I just don't get it. Colorado and Wyoming are the same basic shape, seven degrees of longitude wide and four degrees of latitude tall. Colorado has the thirty‐seventh parallel as its southern border. Wyoming’s is the forty‐first. Wyoming is therefore four degrees further north, or “higher” than Colorado. Four degrees of latitude is two hundred and forty nautical miles. Bonus fun fact: Because the lines of longitude get closer together nearer the poles, Wyoming is not inconsiderably smaller than Colorado.  Oregon is larger than Wyoming but smaller than Colorado.
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Jaramin posted:It's not even the communism. Those are post-soviet borders. Tweet says it's from 1977, so it can't be post-soviet. Apparently, the things that make you more european than not are: 1. cultural history based on shared elements: classical Greek philosophy, the Roman empire, the domination of Christianity during the middle age, the Renaissance, and the Enlightenment. 2. a highly urbanized society Outside influences (from the Russian or Ottoman empires) therefore reduce your score for reason 1 (curious that Spain and Portugal don't see their scores reduced then), while remote areas with low population density reduce the score for reason 2. I haven't found the precise manual, but I've found stuff that was talking about the notion, mostly to criticize it. quote:Moreover, a definition in gradients is all the more problematic because it is necessary to define, beforehand, "legacies" to be taken into account. While some do not have much debate (ancient legacies, others pose more problems, particularly with regard to religion. For example, is it necessary to differentiate between Catholic and Protestant heritages on the one hand and the orthodox heritage on the other, as S. Huntington does in The Clash of Civilizations (1997), or consider them as parts of a whole that would be Christendom? And how to take into account the Muslim populations of Europe, especially those of the Balkans? In these circumstances, a definition of the identity of Europe and its limits always seems to be influenced by the author's representations of what makes Europe for him. But the perspectives are certainly very different, seen from Nicosia, Helsinki, Vienna or Madrid and the definition of Europe is therefore highly mutable. Moreover, the context seems to be largely on the European unification project (European Communities back then, European Union now).
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Gone Fashing posted:lol. even if they highlighted the correct colorado, i guarantee 95% of the weed in new mexico came from there double lol, there are only four states left that don't have local weed laws and just follow federal guidelines: Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, Idaho I live in KC and weed's been available here since forever, but the quality did skyrocket after CO legalized; used to be you'd either get stuff from BC/CA, or someone would have a good local grow and you'd get that until they'd inevitably get busted there's literal tons of weed coming over the western border and even if I didn't like smonking at all I'd call that a net positive
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That was in 1977?? Jesus christ. I mean I guess it's not as bad as that "levels of enlightenment" map from the 19th century but it doesn't feel too far off from it.
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Jaramin posted:It's not even the communism. Those are post-soviet borders. If it was done in 1973, it's not post-soviet borders. They just distinguish each of the Soviet republics.
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Epicurius posted:If it was done in 1973, it's not post-soviet borders. They just distinguish each of the Soviet republics. ....and have split Czechoslovakia.... and a confused distinctly mid-90's mess of disintegrating Yugoslav borders...
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maybe the twitter post is incorrectly sourced... i wouldn't know though...
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Sep 19, 2019 05:32
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Yeah, pretty sure that map is fake, these borders make no sense at all for 1977 but make perfect sense if all the mapmaker knows about the Cold War is that Germany was split in two
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Sep 19, 2019 05:45
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I'm a dumb never mind.
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Sep 19, 2019 06:16
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If you click into the tweet, there's a correction that the map is from 1997, supposedly.
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Koramei posted:That was in 1977?? Jesus christ. I mean I guess it's not as bad as that "levels of enlightenment" map from the 19th century but it doesn't feel too far off from it. it's from 1997, tweet is wrong.
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Kurtofan posted:it's from 1997, tweet is wrong. It’s just a totally fake map. No French person making a map for a textbook in 1997 would separate DDR and GDR. And if they were that irredentist, they would just put all of Germany into Category VI: Untermenschen.
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I don't think it thinks Germany isn't united, just that former East Germany is less European than former West Germany.
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Grevling posted:I don't think it thinks Germany isn't united, just that former East Germany is less European than former West Germany. But look at the borders, the national borders are separate from the "layers of Europeanness" and it has national borders between East and West Germany.
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Pakled posted:But look at the borders, the national borders are separate from the "layers of Europeanness" and it has national borders between East and West Germany.
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Saladman posted:No French person making a map for a textbook in 1997 would separate DDR and GDR. 
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frankenfreak posted:I think person anywhere ever would seperate DDR and GDR. They're way different. The Derman Democratic Republic vs. the German Democratic Republic.
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Ras Het posted:They're way different. The Derman Democratic Republic vs. the Berman Remocratic Depublic.
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Ras Het posted:They're way different. The Derman Democratic Republic vs. the German Democratic Republic. Duten log, as they say!
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First category seems to be NATO and friends. (except areas populated by Sámi and Finns, a suspicious lot, they are.) Second seems to be former French client states and allies.  Edit: Third category seems to be just a lazily drawn version of "not Turkey or Russia." Alternatively the greatest extent of fighting in WWI. Edit 2: fixed quotes. Jasper Tin Neck fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Sep 19, 2019 |
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What I like most about Europe is that you can be this little country, not even bigger than Texas, and still get to call yourself an empire.
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DrSunshine posted:What I like most about Europe is that you can be this little country, not even bigger than Texas, and still get to call yourself an empire. Emperatitude is a attitude
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Notable European country, Japan
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Notable not very European country, Scotland.
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Phlegmish posted:Why does it divide Belarus into two Best guess is, it's somewhat similar to the pre-war borders of Belarus and Ukraine.
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The line goes through the central belt of Scotland, where everyone lives. Stop the Edinburgh tram extension before the un-European barbarians from Leith invade! 
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Soricidus posted:Notable European country, Japan I don't think that's even fair. The japanese "Emperor" existed long before anyone in Japan knew or cared much about whatever a Europa is, and it is indeed europeans who decided that this distinctly japanese institution should constitute an Empire with an Emperor in translation.
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DrSunshine posted:What I like most about Europe is that you can be this little country, not even bigger than Texas, and still get to call yourself an empire. Well I have it on good authority from playing Crusader Kings 2 that you need to have enough gold and at least 80% of the dejure territory to form an empire.
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DrSunshine posted:What I like most about Europe is that you can be this little country, not even bigger than Texas, and still get to call yourself an empire. texas is pretty big
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Kurtofan posted:texas is pretty big My family in Strasbourg drives to Prague in the time it would take me to drive from my texan hometown to fuckin Dallas. E: i checked that website that compares sizes on maps and if home was Strasbourg and I was where I live now, I'd be deep in Russia north of the Caspian Sea. And driving here to there seems normal and comfortable once or twice a year. Europe is tiny. https://thetruesize.com/#?borders=1~!MTU1NTg4MzE.NDkxMDQ1MA*MzIwOTg0MDk(NTM5MzcyMA~!CONTIGUOUS_US*MTAwMjQwNzU.MjUwMjM1MTc(MTc1)MA~!IN*NTI2NDA1MQ.Nzg2MzQyMQ)MQ~!CN*OTkyMTY5Nw.NzMxNDcwNQ(MjI1)Mg Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Sep 19, 2019 |
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