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Chuka Umana posted:This means Scheer is basically a lock to become PM now? You notice how Trudeau hasn’t said poo poo about all the great cables he’s built for Indigenous youth? He’s already given up on pretending he’s not super racist.
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Arivia posted:You notice how Trudeau hasn’t said poo poo about all the great cables he’s built for Indigenous youth? He’s already given up on pretending he’s not super racist. Doing things for indigenous people isn't a thing that helps you poll well with canadians. Trudeau never even said the word indigenous in his election kickoff speech.
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Sep 19, 2019 16:10
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Doing things for indigenous people isn't a thing that helps you poll well with canadians. Trudeau never even said the word indigenous in his election kickoff speech. Exactly. A lot of Indigenous people noticed that.
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Sep 19, 2019 16:11
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Wendell posted:Here we go, a third time he did black/brown face. With video. Nice hair though
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Sep 19, 2019 16:14
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The Labour party in NZ switched party leaders just before an election and it ended up working out really well for them, so who the gently caress knows what'll happen here.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Doing things for indigenous people isn't a thing that helps you poll well with canadians. Trudeau never even said the word indigenous in his election kickoff speech. the only time he mentions them is when he's giving speeches about cooperation while simultaneously loving them over Chuka Umana posted:This means Scheer is basically a lock to become PM now? scheer is still a yawning void of anti-charisma so it's hard to say
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Sep 19, 2019 16:17
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Canadians suddenly realize that they voted for* Quebecois Prince Harry as prime minister four years ago. Will they regret it? Find out in a few short weeks! * Yes yes I know
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Sep 19, 2019 16:18
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the only difference between them seems to be that scheer says the quiet parts out loud
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Sep 19, 2019 16:19
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xtal posted:Big surprise: a Canadian PM is racist. The thing I don't get is why everybody is saying this will help the Conservatives, who earlier this week said they would stand by people who did racist things in the past. Nobody is going to say Trudeau is too racist and then vote Conservative; the Conservatives have this type of thing as a core of their platform. So does this just increase the number of people throwing their vote away with a third party? Because elections usually aren't about convincing voters from the opposing party to vote for you instead, it's about getting those voters to just stay home, while getting your own base to turn up. If this convinces a lot of Liberal voters to just skip voting, that's a huge boon for Andrew Scheer.
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Sep 19, 2019 16:22
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Chuka Umana posted:This means Scheer is basically a lock to become PM now? Conservatives have a rock solid bedrock of support driven by racists, economic conservatives, big business interests and people who lack the willpower or knowledge to overcome base instincts and “common sense”. It’s “easy” to hold onto these people. They have nowhere to go and they will always vote blue as a matter of identity and ignorance. It’s impossible to break down that barrier. Liberals are a fragile coalition of Soft-C economic conservatives, “red Tories” and progressives who vote for them hoping for some kind of social progress even if they don’t deliver. The progressive turnout is fickle and quick to abandon the liberal party if they get bad press. Justin being a hypocrite instead of a champion of minority rights and social justice is exactly the scenario that depresses the turnout. It’s voter apathy that gives conservatives election wins. The sponsorship scandal was what gave the Tories their last majority.
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Sep 19, 2019 16:23
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This will probably have a zero effect to Trudeau's polling
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Sep 19, 2019 16:24
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How much play is this story getting? Does Canada do 24/7 horse race-minded saturation coverage too?
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Sep 19, 2019 16:26
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Brony Car posted:How much play is this story getting? Does Canada do 24/7 horse race-minded saturation coverage too? Yes and yes. The 24 hour news cycle is an abomination.
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Sep 19, 2019 16:32
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PittTheElder posted:Because elections usually aren't about convincing voters from the opposing party to vote for you instead, it's about getting those voters to just stay home, while getting your own base to turn up. If this convinces a lot of Liberal voters to just skip voting, that's a huge boon for Andrew Scheer. That’s the power of negative campaigning. You get people confused, upset so instead of voting on Election Day they stay home and drink. Or better yet, they waste their vote on a worthless 3rd party candidate. I’m super concerned our puritanical callout cancel culture will backfire enormously. Despite Trudeau’s actions which are wrong his government has done well for minorities. Isn’t that important too? Please tell me I’m freaking wrong and this won’t jeopardize an entire election.
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Sep 19, 2019 16:32
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What has Trudeau's government done for minorities?
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Tab8715 posted:That’s the power of negative campaigning. You get people confused, upset so instead of voting on Election Day they stay home and drink. In Virginia, when our governor got caught with blackface photos from his medical school days, he basically twisted in the wind for a while before the minority groups backed him up after he promised to give fuller support to racial justice. He did not have to resign. That being said, he was not in an election year and Virginia's governors are limited to one term. Also, there were scandals affecting the lieutenant governor and attorney general too. Basically, I think it's going to depend on how his campaign responds and whether others step up quickly to say "this sucks, but he's still our guy."
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vyelkin posted:lmao what the gently caress Come the gently caress on, gently caress, I swear to god just destroy this loving country
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Sep 19, 2019 16:38
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PittTheElder posted:Because elections usually aren't about convincing voters from the opposing party to vote for you instead, it's about getting those voters to just stay home, while getting your own base to turn up. If this convinces a lot of Liberal voters to just skip voting, that's a huge boon for Andrew Scheer. Jagmeetmentum
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:Come the gently caress on, gently caress, I swear to god just destroy this loving country defund Canada
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DariusLikewise posted:What has Trudeau's government done for minorities? Off the top of my head they’ve done great work for Syrian Refugees.
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DariusLikewise posted:This will probably have a zero effect to Trudeau's polling Most likely not but it means NDP still has no chance.
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Sep 19, 2019 16:40
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When should we expect polls to come out reflecting this?
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Sep 19, 2019 16:42
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Everyone in this trying time it's important to remember that the last time the NDP did well in an election it had much less to do with the party leader or platform or campaign and much more to do with the Liberal Party imploding on live television, so I'm going to go bet my house on an ndp majority lmao
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Sep 19, 2019 16:44
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The photo's an issue but his response is going to disappoint a lot of small-L-liberal voters. His claim that it was "acceptable at the time" won't be hurt by the South Asian man in the turban standing right next to him in one of those photos, but it still hinges on us believing that a silver-spoon white dude somehow made it to the year two thousand and one without knowing it was wrong to dress up as another ethnicity. Enough noise had been made on the topic in the preceding decades that there was no way he couldn't have known this, so at least one leg of his apology is made of obvious bullshit. The other problem is the number of opposing candidates from all parties who've been canceled for bigoted tweets, social media posts and whatnot. When asked about this, all he'd say is that he'd "have conversations". Our biggest complaint about the Conservatives is the disturbing overlaps between their policies and various forms of bigotry. The NDP are bland and largely ineffective for reasons Helsing reliably enumerates every time an election cycle threatens us with their legitimacy. There are no other credible contenders for the undecided-but-not-the-racist-guy vote, which is fantastic news for the right.
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Brony Car posted:In Virginia, when our governor got caught with blackface photos from his medical school days, he basically twisted in the wind for a while before the minority groups backed him up after he promised to give fuller support to racial justice. He did not have to resign. I like this way more than just freaking fire the guy. This doesn’t excuse bad behavior but there more than one way to have consequences than just termination of ones employment.
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Tab8715 posted:Off the top of my head they’ve done great work for Syrian Refugees. They've also increased appointments of visible minorities and indigenous peoples. Still work to do, but it's not nothing; appointments can have a trickle impact on policy implementation. Given that cannabis arrests disproportionately affected visible minorities, I guess one could argue that legalization also helped, but not in a way that improves the system, I guess.
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There sure are a lot of people coming out of the woodwork to say "I am <insert race> and this is fine!" And so often from new or anonymous accounts :thinking_face:
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Tab8715 posted:Off the top of my head they’ve done great work for Syrian Refugees. Almost all the Syrian Refugees the government claimed to resettle were private sponsorships and the government more recently had cut funding for english classes for immigrants and refugees so a lot of the people that were brought over are stuck with a remedial understanding of the majority language in this country. Raenir Salazar posted:When should we expect polls to come out reflecting this? Takes about a week for everything to catch up
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DariusLikewise posted:Almost all the Syrian Refugees the government claimed to resettle were private sponsorships and the government more recently had cut funding for english classes for immigrants and refugees so a lot of the people that were brought over are stuck with a remedial understanding of the majority language in this country. Time for this article again https://www.ledroit.com/chroniques/patrick-duquette/le-ghetto-syrien-dottawa-9c56c7ebe3a7eb332899e8d368a77a05 quote:Quand la première vague de réfugiés syriens est arrivée au Canada, en décembre 2015, le gouvernement fédéral a logé plusieurs familles dans deux grosses barres d’immeubles de la rue Donald, à Ottawa. Granted, 1240 Donald had resembled a ghetto for years for one very good reason, but the point still stands. Their situation is technically better than it was by living in a tent city in a warzone, but it is by no means an enviable state anyone responsible for it should be publicly expressing any pride in having created.
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In the United States Republicans play this as “See! Democrats are the real racists!”. And it works 
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How the gently caress did this not come out before the last election? Also first-generation immigrants almost never speak the language of the country they immigrated to each other in private. Why would they? gently caress most second-generation immigrants and a lot of third-generation ones don't. That doesn't mean jack poo poo. ThanosWasRight fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Sep 19, 2019 |
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The Liberals also have greatly expanded and leaned into the TFW program for cheap labour, which is one the most awful things this country does
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Look, I dunno guys. But the guy from the NDP headquarters who calls me for money who I force to sit through 3 hours of my talking about the Singularity in exchange for my donations assures me everything is going to be fine.
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ThanosWasRight posted:How the gently caress did this not come out before the last election? That’s politics! The same way Wikileaks sent out Hilary’s emails immediately after the Trump Hollywood tape. Excellent timing.
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Sep 19, 2019 16:54
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The biggest mistake for Trudeau was not releasing this himself years upon years ago. What an idiot.
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Sep 19, 2019 16:56
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ThanosWasRight posted:The biggest mistake for Trudeau was not releasing this himself years upon years ago. What an idiot. I'm confident that he was sufficiently stoned for that period that he probably didn't remember.
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mediaphage posted:I'm confident that he was sufficiently stoned for that period that he probably didn't remember. I would actually respect him saying "listen I was greened out of my gourd for most of that time, I did a whole lot of stupid poo poo. This was one of those poo poo stupid things I did."
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ThanosWasRight posted:Also first-generation immigrants almost never speak the language of the country they immigrated to each other in private. Why would they? gently caress most second-generation immigrants and a lot of third-generation ones don't. That doesn't mean jack poo poo. It's not speaking Arabic to each other that's the issue, it's not being able to speak any other language, as implied by the rest of the sentence I pasted and spelled out by the article. If the only people you can talk to are other unemployed chainsmoking shutins with sad brains, you're going to go to a very bad place mentally and stay there with no hope, which does some entirely predictable things to the young people you're raising and the place you're raising them. I have no idea how many of the of the tens of thousands of people we brought here are stuck in that kind of trap, but I can't imagine that racing against an arbitrary, self-imposed timeline did a whole lot to make the support system more capable of helping them adjust.
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Tab8715 posted:That’s politics! hmmm yes personally i think it was the russians that hacked a highschool yearbook
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vyelkin posted:hmmm yes personally i think it was the russians that hacked a highschool yearbook That’s not my insinuation just that the timing of negative content is often purposefully done to hurt political candidates not because it’s the right thing to do.
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