The_Doctor posted:

Christ, he’s not usually this wrong. :/

The_Doctor posted:

Christ, he’s not usually this wrong. :/

Oh dear me posted:

It's not their feelings people are concerned about, not least because they probably don't read this thread anyway. Would recommend reading the previous discussion if you have questions.

winegums posted:

Read it, disagree with it. Making fun of appearances is hardly a sophisticated takedown of someone's political viewpoint, but it's basically fine. Some people in politics look funny, dress funny, act funny. Discourse becomes really loving dry and uninspiring if it's entirely fact-based.

Rarity posted:

Oh for gently caress sake we just had this debate

brian posted:

Rory Stewart looks fine too but the way he carries himself when he talks to cameras is of someone who believes they're destined for the job they're in and that nothing will ever change that, a kind of blase indifference. They're also trading off their image heavily, obvious example being Rees-Mogg and Bojo but it's an integral part of the established view of electioneering (as much as it shouldn't be) and so a lot of MPs, especially on the right are politically choosing their style of appearance/body language to appeal to different groups, as evidenced by the tory power stance.

forkboy84 posted:

Lets be fair, you had the debate while most everyone else stayed out of it or pointed out it's really loving lame decorum liberalism.

Yes yes, attacking people for their appearance is cruel. So are Tories. If someone happens to also look like Rory Stewart and are bothered by it, that is unfortunate but they can take succour from the knowledge that at least they aren't a Tory. Unless they also are a Tory in which case I'd shrug my shoulders but the size of the shrug would be so large as to register on a seismograph.

And sure, maybe it's also bad for me to dehumanise people based on their politics to which I'd reply that I am not a liberal, I do not believe in "rising above" and if dehumanising immigrants or the unemployed or any other vulnerable group is part of your politics then I will feel entirely comfortable in retaliating.

Where does it end? Is it no longer acceptable to rip the piss out of that loving stupid Tory power stance? Because that's part of their appearance and maybe Tories can't help but stand like that because of some curse put upon them by some demon in exchange for power. As with most things, it is a judgement call. Insulting the appearance of an exceptionally well off man born into the lap of privilege & educated at elite schools is not something worth wasting a breath on. He deserves far worse.

forkboy84 posted:

Lets be fair, you had the debate while most everyone else stayed out of it or pointed out it's really loving lame decorum liberalism. It certainly wasn't settled.

Hentai Jihadist posted:

What if a horse heard that joke though? Theyd be pretty disneighed

OwlFancier posted:

How did you feel when I was being sexist, out of curiosity?

Rarity posted:

Rarity posted:

Maybe so but I had a bunch of people messaging me to say I was right and I am so I'm not shutting up about it

kecske posted:

jacob rees mogg looks like an idiot dipshit moron, imo

forkboy84 posted:

Fair enough. And I will not shut up about not thinking Tories are human.

Noxville posted:

Are we still allowed to make fun of how Michael Gove claps or drinks water?

Jollity Farm posted:

Rationally, I would say that insulting someone for some physical aspect that they can't easily change is problematic and should not be done.

OwlFancier posted:

But the core and consistent argument is that rory stewart is never going to hear anything you call him on this forum, and I would venture that the only people, by and large, who are going to read UKMT for any length of time, are probably generally alright sorts who can tolerate a very large amount of communism but who might get put off if we spend our time making fun of people for having weird teeth, cos I know a lot of people with weird teeth and as such I don't have a habit of commenting on people's weird teeth.

Who you aim an insult at is not the same as who will hear it, especially if you do it in a place your target literally can and will never hear it, the only people an insult can affect is its audience, and as your audience does not include rory stewart but does include potentially alright horse-looking people, then it seems like the main person it's benefitting is you, and other people who are fortunate enough not to look like that and feel insecure about it.

I assume, given what you know about our thread population, and probably given recent developments in the online left space in general, you probably wouldn't make jokes about people looking like a different gender than they are trying to present as. Because you know the effect that's likely to have on your audience. There are plenty of low effort jabs you can make at people that are far more individual to them, or which are more specific to their political tendencies. Because I fully understand the need for low effort jabs, as I said last time, effortful complaints involve emotional labour that it's hard to do, sometimes you want to just be petty and spiteful, but even within that you can pick things that are far more specific to tories or to the person you're looking to complain about.

winegums posted:

No comments on appearance, mannerisms, speech patterns or clothes.



Only through purely factual analysis of politics will the people be converted to left-wing thought.

njsykora posted:

This is why we have multi-page arguments about crisps.

Miftan posted:

You can make fun of superficial things that tory motherfuckers do like Rory's bizzare tilt or, as Guava likes to point out, the fact that Johnson looks like the soul of a victorian boy with trapped in the body of a middle aged used car salesman trapped in a loveless marriage. None of those things, imo, will be offensive to anybody except maybe used car salesmen? Like, put some effort into it instead of picking on things that other good sorts might have in common physically with these murdering fucks like bad teeth or how overweight they are.