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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Still laughing at "the water industry" if you're into that particular school of comedy feel free to read this nytimes thing about "As Fresh Water Grows Scarcer, It Could Become a Good Investment" lol quote:Water is easy to take for granted. It falls from the sky, and, though it’s vital, we sometimes treat it as if it’s worthless. How often have you seen sprinklers running in the rain? sounds enticing. yes, why don't people pay me for water really? do they think they need an app for it or something quote:Matthew C. Sheldon, senior portfolio manager for water strategy at KBI Global Investors in Boston, said, “Different investors come to water from different angles. Some are looking to dilute their other natural-resource exposures. Others are looking for an infrastructure play. Some have a strong interest in environmental, social and governance investing. Some just want a diversifier.” eh? get it? ...you dilute your exposures, by buying water rights. eh? quote:But water wagers create ethical quandaries for some investors, said Monika J. Freyman, director for investor engagement, water, at Ceres, a Boston nonprofit. “Water’s needed for life itself,” she said. “So if you’re jacking up rates, you are going to run into social justice issues. Do you turn off a poor family’s water?” kinda lame rhetoric question is that? course you do, or they'll never learn and pass on their parasitic thirst to their children
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Nobody cares if Rory Stewart is upset though, it's the general idea of what it's ok to mock, what kind of cruelty gets a pass, who's fair game for not meeting certain standards in society, that kind of thing. If you're already reluctant to make jokes about a woman's appearance even if she's rich and powerful and Tory as heck, then you already know this on some level! Remember when everyone thought it was ok to bully people with red hair because "gingers lol" And a good joke can still be problematic, that's the kind where people go "oh poo poo" because it's offensive but it really works as a joke. You can still appreciate the humour without giving the attitudes a pass, it's a pick and choose your moments kind of thing, y'know? I'm not telling anyone what they can say, it's just weird that people have this blind spot and think "oh the person I'm talking about won't see these comments or is bad so it doesn't matter" as though we don't live in a society
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kecske posted:does this extend to things like how mike gapes pronounces milk? It should, yes. When Roy Hodgson was England manager there was a thing about some paper - probably everyone's favourite celestial rag - taking the piss out of his rhotacism. E: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17942091
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Miftan posted:You can make fun of superficial things that tory motherfuckers do like Rory's bizzare tilt or, as Guava likes to point out, the fact that Johnson looks like the soul of a victorian boy with trapped in the body of a middle aged used car salesman trapped in a loveless marriage. None of those things, imo, will be offensive to anybody except maybe used car salesmen? Like, put some effort into it instead of picking on things that other good sorts might have in common physically with these murdering fucks like bad teeth or how overweight they are. 
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If you ever do meet rory stewart in person I encourage you to say the most horrible things you can think of to him, especially if he's the only one in earshot. But here you're only saying them to people who read UKMT.
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My mood took a hit today when I realised that Laura Kuenssberg is going to get away with doxxing a civilian to her million+ followers and there’s nothing that can be done about it. See, when people are squawking about Brexit - whether you’re for or against - this is the real battle, that the establishment will do everything it can to continue to keep people where they “belong”. No amount of Supreme Court arguments about decorum or English pride will change the fact we’re being hosed, and they’ll continue to gently caress us if we blather on about anything other than social change. Bah.
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OwlFancier posted:Hence why I went for the tony blair lizard grimace because I think that is extremely appropriate for Swinson given her politics. I dunno, the grimace is a bit of a grey area for me because if that's just what they smile like, well, that's a bit off. On the other hand, the tory power stance is ridiculous bullshit BECAUSE they do it on purpose to appear strong and stable or whatever. None of us would make fun of someone who just stands like that regularly because of a medical condition or whatever (i hope) Pilchenstein posted:How can you be so right about this yet so wrong about chocolate oranges? in conclusion, miftan is a land of contrasts.
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Pilchenstein posted:For the record I don't think Rory Stewart looks particularly horselike, I was more having a go at him for being a oval office and having that "has only read about people in books" energy that tories tend to have but I understand that intent doesn't really matter if people took it as a dig at his appearance. It was funny and I might actually listen to the podcasts now that I know it has lines like that. It's a tricky thing because it's a very thin line between being a cruel shithead & being funny, but generally I trust the thread regulars enough to either know where the line is and not cross it or for someone to call out that it's lovely and explain why. Which is why I took issue with what I perceived as Rarity deciding it was a settled issue that there'd be no more of that. But like I said previously I'm not at all consistent on this and am well aware I'm far more comfortable with making cracks about the appearance of men than about women so it's entirely possible I'm in the wrong here and will eventually regret my double standard but  for now.
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Miftan posted:You can make fun of superficial things that tory motherfuckers do like Rory's bizzare tilt or, as Guava likes to point out, the fact that Johnson looks like the soul of a victorian boy with trapped in the body of a middle aged used car salesman trapped in a loveless marriage. None of those things, imo, will be offensive to anybody except maybe used car salesmen? Like, put some effort into it instead of picking on things that other good sorts might have in common physically with these murdering fucks like bad teeth or how overweight they are. Big difference between being an Arthur Daley-wannabe conman and a hugely entitled Arthur Daley-wannabe conman.
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Miftan posted:I dunno, the grimace is a bit of a grey area for me because if that's just what they smile like, well, that's a bit off. On the other hand, the tory power stance is ridiculous bullshit BECAUSE they do it on purpose to appear strong and stable or whatever. None of us would make fun of someone who just stands like that regularly because of a medical condition or whatever (i hope) The only people I think I've ever seen it on are horrible right wing politicians who clearly can't actually feel human happiness any more so they just snarl at the camera. Lots of people have weird smiles but the blair face is that particular combination of "I will loving kill and eat you you horrible worm" at the eyes unconvincingly backed up by baring their teeth at you.
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If we’re to avoid any insult based on appearance we need to strike ‘gammon’ and ‘thumb’ from our lexicon and frankly I’m not sure this thread is willing to make that sacrifice.
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I mean I'd venture that "look at swinson's manky teeth lol" could be avoided and would improve things even if you don't strike gammon and thumb. It's not all or nothing.
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forkboy84 posted:But like I said previously I'm not at all consistent on this and am well aware I'm far more comfortable with making cracks about the appearance of men than about women so it's entirely possible I'm in the wrong here and will eventually regret my double standard but Eh it's normal, and society is gradually getting away from that kind of thing, but there's still stuff that people feel is ok even though it's basically the same as the stuff that's recognised as pure bants innit. It's not fun to have to check yourself, but honestly this kind of thing is a bit poo poo if you think about it. Like I personally don't want to contribute to that, y'know? While we're on it someone tell me why people like cum town. The two episodes I heard just had people saying slurs while the rest giggled, what the hell is that Noxville posted:If we’re to avoid any insult based on appearance we need to strike ‘gammon’ and ‘thumb’ from our lexicon and frankly I’m not sure this thread is willing to make that sacrifice. The gammon is inside you, friend! Full gammon hearts
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Noxville posted:If we’re to avoid any insult based on appearance we need to strike ‘gammon’ and ‘thumb’ from our lexicon and frankly I’m not sure this thread is willing to make that sacrifice. Gammon isn't soley about how they go red, but that they go red lusting for nuclear death of innocents and as such is not an appearance based insult  OwlFancier posted:The only people I think I've ever seen it on are horrible right wing politicians who clearly can't actually feel human happiness any more so they just snarl at the camera. Yeah I can see that, hence grey area. I tend to agree with you but I'll defer if someone thinks otherwise. It's one of those things where I have no problem making GBS threads on Blair for it but Swinson seems off. Maybe it's because i'm more comfortable making GBS threads on men's appearance than women's, but I shouldn't do that either and it's something i'm working on.
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coffeetable posted:also holy loly @ the idea of this thread full of dayposting goons having a leg to stand on when it comes to appearance
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Miftan posted:You can make fun of superficial things that tory motherfuckers do like Rory's bizzare tilt or, as Guava likes to point out, the fact that Johnson looks like the soul of a victorian boy with trapped in the body of a middle aged used car salesman trapped in a loveless marriage. None of those things, imo, will be offensive to anybody except maybe used car salesmen? Like, put some effort into it instead of picking on things that other good sorts might have in common physically with these murdering fucks like bad teeth or how overweight they are. How does he pronounce issue?
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Swinson could get her teeth fixed. As far as I'm aware there's no cure for gammon.
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forkboy84 posted:Lets be fair, you had the debate while most everyone else stayed out of it or pointed out it's really loving lame decorum liberalism. It certainly wasn't settled. Let's actually be fair, Rarity made consistent and coherent arguments and a couple of y'all responded with what amounts to either "I don't care; they're Tories" without addressing the core point she was making and trying to make it sound like Rarity's really going to bat for Tories and not, you know, the implications and knockon effects it might have, or with "I don't care, it's funny" which, okay, fine, can't really argue with that if that's your position, or just with "I don't care, they DO look weird!" and again not engaging with the point. I mean I get it. It's easy to land these blows. It doesn't feel great and/or praxis to be holding back when you're talking about tory scum and it can be satisfying to cap off a legitimate rant with something about how Gove looks or whatever. I've done it too and I'll do it in the future when I don't catch myself. But the point is very obviously that using someone's looks to attack them has implications beyond that person. Not a single person in here is going to give a poo poo if Rory Stewart reads your posts and feels hurt by your attacks on his looks, but you're framing it as if Rarity's gone Maximum HRC and demanded when they go low we go high, and you've got the nerve to claim it's "decorum liberlism" when it was never loving about decorum or being nice to/about your opponents at all. In short, Rarity is right, and I'm trying to stop using appearances as an insult because her arguments have been convincing.
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and again respectfully, i don't think this is a very good argument either. i think the logical conclusion would be that only attractive people are allowed to critique other's on that merit and that seems to be actively counter to the point you're trying to make?
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So as I said I agree on the appearance/people things can't change thing but where do we stand on Rory Stewart (and others)' demeanor and air of superiority being criticisable?
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Miftan posted:You can make fun of superficial things that tory motherfuckers do like Rory's bizzare tilt or, as Guava likes to point out, the fact that Johnson looks like the soul of a victorian boy with trapped in the body of a middle aged used car salesman trapped in a loveless marriage. None of those things, imo, will be offensive to anybody except maybe used car salesmen? Like, put some effort into it instead of picking on things that other good sorts might have in common physically with these murdering fucks like bad teeth or how overweight they are. wait, is corbs one of those weird deviants who says "issyous"
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What was the word May always used to say wrong? It was a similar thing where it was an "ss" sound becoming a soft "sh" or not. It was a multi-syllable word she said all the time.
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I'm just not personally convinced that there are these loads of lurkers who are hurt by the posts where people make fun of bojos melting face, which seems to be the crux of the argument
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Always take the shitstorm with you, everywhere you goooo.. Get the gently caress out of my second home before you ruin that too.
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Hentai Jihadist posted:I'm just not personally convinced that there are these loads of lurkers who are hurt by the posts where people make fun of bojos melting face, which seems to be the crux of the argument So it's ok if it's just a few lurkers I take it? Or even if it's just one? How many people do we have to upset before it becomes unacceptable?
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Hentai Jihadist posted:I'm just not personally convinced that there are these loads of lurkers who are hurt by the posts where people make fun of bojos melting face, which seems to be the crux of the argument You're like the poster child for "si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" in this thread, aren't you?
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Hentai Jihadist posted:I'm just not personally convinced that there are these loads of lurkers who are hurt by the posts where people make fun of bojos melting face, which seems to be the crux of the argument My teeth are terrible for reasons and every time the topic of "lol they have terrible teeth" comes up in any context I've got a little niggling reminder of "remember, no matter the situation, no big smiles". I say this not as a "oh woe is me, never speak of teeth on my behalf" but as a confirmation of yeah there's actually people affected, and frequently they won't say anything about it because it's already been beat into them from all directions that "well, that's your fault for having something about you that's mockable, innit?"
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Rarity posted:How many people do we have to upset before it becomes unacceptable? Genuinely an interesting question on a philosophical level. I'd love an answer
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The British spirit: bringing misery wherever it goes, also Nandos
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Rust Martialis posted:You're like the poster child for "si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" in this thread, aren't you? Is that posh for  ?
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Miftan posted:Maybe it's because i'm more comfortable making GBS threads on men's appearance than women's, but I shouldn't do that either and it's something i'm working on. Like I don't think saying that Tommy Robinson looks like someone off EastEnders if the Nazis had won is unfair.
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NtotheTC posted:Genuinely an interesting question on a philosophical level. I'd love an answer * in extreme utilitarian * exactly 5% of the sample group
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Staying quiet about harmful speech is enabling - it tells people it is okay to say poo poo that should be called out. It just shows how shallow some people who post here are frankly, for all the glib talk about left politics in this thread.
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Guavanaut posted:Personally I think men don't get the same appearance based dismissal in society    
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