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Nightcrawler and Wolverine’s word could simply be taken as directly talking about the egg process instead of going to heaven. “Wolverine, are you still worried about your soul? Look for me on the other side, we will be there together.”
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I thought a big point of Jean being the last one to die during the suicide run was that she was working as a long-range psychic router to keep Xavier's mental backups up to date until everyone died. I also read the Logan/Kurt moment as a bit of uncertainty over the rebirth process and where that would leave their actual/original souls. I'm assuming that last part will be addressed in future books.
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Billzasilver posted:Nightcrawler and Wolverine’s word could simply be taken as directly talking about the egg process instead of going to heaven. “Wolverine, are you still worried about your soul? Look for me on the other side, we will be there together.” Nightcrawler has no soul as he sold it
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it would actually be less of an ethical quagmire if the Culture/Altered Carbon-style backups were a completely new "soul" because otherwise Chuck/Erik/Moira's plan is dragging millions of souls out of a heaven which they know exists because the X-Men have physically been there
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Sep 20, 2019 02:54
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New plan, Xavier can only revive souls that he knows went to hell/limbo, so they can live a better life on Krakoa Island and eventually go to heaven.
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Sep 20, 2019 03:08
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The last big reveal is that Krakoa is the Bad Place.
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The real problem is when Wolverine, still alive, hitches a ride on a meteor back to Earth.
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*Apocalypse shows up and shakes hands with everyone, congratulates them because this is the perfect mutant kingdom he envisioned*danbanana posted:The last big reveal is that Krakoa is the Bad Place.
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So what happens when someone on Krakoa has a non-mutant baby? Is it torn from its pleading mothers arms and sent to some far off underfunded orphanage? It relates to something that's always bugged me about "Mutants are a separate species" thing that X-Men has had for years, In that mutants don't really fit the definition of species even in non-super-academic terms. Humans and Mutants give birth to each other, breed with each other, and don't produce hybrids just x-gene positive/negative.
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Sep 20, 2019 07:59
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Has a mutant ever given birth to a non mutant?
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Sep 20, 2019 08:02
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Skwirl posted:Has a mutant ever given birth to a non mutant? I don't recall Grayson Creed being a mutant but there's a lot about Grayson Creed I don't recall.
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Sep 20, 2019 08:27
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Skwirl posted:Has a mutant ever given birth to a non mutant? IIRC, Graydon Creed (Sabertooth + Mystique)
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Sep 20, 2019 08:27
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Not quite what Skwirl was asking but the antagonist of the first arc of X-Men: Gold was, IIRC, the human daughter of a mutant father.
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Sep 20, 2019 08:37
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Hey, that one issue of New Mutants with the Space Clone X-Men got added to Marvel Unlimited!
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Plus, there are mutants with human loved ones and families. Like...Kitty Pryde's parents, or the extended Guthrie clan, or Nightcrawler's foster sister. I definitely think that some dissent needs to be on show. I can't imagine Kitty going for this, but apparently she has?
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Android Blues posted:Plus, there are mutants with human loved ones and families. Like...Kitty Pryde's parents, or the extended Guthrie clan, or Nightcrawler's foster sister. Krakoa allowing instant teleportation and also having the ability to bring non mutants to Krakoa makes it easier. Like, most cults don't have quite those open borders.
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Android Blues posted:Plus, there are mutants with human loved ones and families. Like...Kitty Pryde's parents, or the extended Guthrie clan, or Nightcrawler's foster sister. We know Molly Hayes is sticking with the Runaways, at least. Actually, this does open the door for her parents to be resurrected, which might be interesting (although that'd probably be addressed in Runaways). Also New Mutants #3 in December has them going on outreach to young mutants who haven't come to Krakoa.
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Archyduchess posted:I don't recall Grayson Creed being a mutant but there's a lot about Grayson Creed I don't recall. He wasn't. Creed was in the Upstarts, though.
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Imagine them trying to get Franklin Richards to come along with them and forsake his human family Yvonmukluk posted:We know Molly Hayes is sticking with the Runaways, at least. Actually, this does open the door for her parents to be resurrected, which might be interesting (although that'd probably be addressed in Runaways). Also New Mutants #3 in December has them going on outreach to young mutants who haven't come to Krakoa. That's what happens in the sixth life. The Hayeses are resurrected, then the Gibborim destroy Krakoa. Moira is too embarrassed to even acknowledge that life.
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Skwirl posted:Has a mutant ever given birth to a non mutant? I suppose Quicksilver's daughter Luna counts. She didn't get powers at all until the Terrigen Mists kicked in.
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Wanderer posted:I suppose Quicksilver's daughter Luna counts. She didn't get powers at all until the Terrigen Mists kicked in. Isn't he no longer a mutant?
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Skwirl posted:Isn't he no longer a mutant? Luna's from like the 80s though, so he was at the time. It's rare but possible, and seems to often be a whole thing where the child is scorned because of it.
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Aphrodite posted:Luna's from like the 80s though, so he was at the time. No he wasn't, we just thought he was.
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Is Molly Hayes still officially an X-gene mutant? I kind of assumed the current Runaways run retconned her into a mutate (or at least, the daughter of mutates.) Though, if X-gene Sinister counts as a mutant, I guess she could too if she has the gene. Or maybe it's a situation like Franklin where her parents where mutates, but she has a natural mutant gene. Still curious if there is an official designation.
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glitchwraith posted:Is Molly Hayes still officially an X-gene mutant? I kind of assumed the current Runaways run retconned her into a mutate (or at least, the daughter of mutates.) Though, if X-gene Sinister counts as a mutant, I guess she could too if she has the gene. Or maybe it's a situation like Franklin where her parents where mutates, but she has a natural mutant gene. Still curious if there is an official designation. iirc it is a Franklin situation. Molly's parents were the result of genetic experiments to give them identical X-Gene powers (which I think mostly came about to shove away the incestuous connotations), but Molly's still recognized as a regular mutant. The Hulu series completely changes her origin, but that's never carried over to the comics.
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Squirrel Girl isn't a mutant anymore but I'm pretty sure she can just have a nice conversation with Krakoa and be allowed passage if she so desires.
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Nevvy Z posted:No he wasn't, we just thought he was. I know it's kinda dumb to complain too much about retcons in comics, but the whole "Wanda/Pietro are neither Magneto's kids nor mutants" thing is infuriating to me. Both are cornerstones to their characterization, role in countless important stories, and relations to the rest of the universe. And it's made even worse because it wasn't even some writer who was trying to tell a story and needed the retcon to tell it. It was Rich Bazillionaires having a childish spat over movie rights because they wanted more zeros at the end of a bank account number they already could never spend all of. It's like saying Spider-Man has in fact always been Crab-Man because he was pinched by a radioactive crab and has at no point ever been mistrusted by the papers or general public.
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galagazombie posted:It was Rich Bazillionaires having a childish spat over movie rights because they wanted more zeros at the end of a bank account number The disonance between this complaint and your avatar is fantastic.
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Dias posted:I was under the impression this was a soft reboot, is it not one? Was there a lead-up to HoX/PoX? How much of...everything else actually happened in this timeline (which I'll assume is 10)? I'm enjoying it because it is very much broad strokes and as someone that didn't follow the X-Men because haha gently caress that noise too much poo poo happening I don't really know most of the interplay other than the very obvious poo poo - Apocalypse being into Xavier's plan is a big red sign, for instance. This is more of a hard reboot with Hickman characteristics. As in, Hickman has the keys to the X-Men now, and is free to pick and choose what he wants to keep as canon, and rewrite/massage events that happened as he needs to. Sesq posted:Yeah, this is all really the prologue to a potentially bigger story. Part of me wonders, given Charles not quite being himself, and Moira missing....and that they specifically called out "no experiment has been done on what happens when you put a mutant mind in a body that's not it's own"...if Charles isn't so much Charles as either a Charles/Moira hybrid or Moira in Charles's body. Some of the poses that Charles is drawn in come off as more feminine than masculine, like with the stroking of Cyclops's face, and lord knows, Hickman loves small details like that. I wonder if it's more "no KNOWN experiment has been done....", because only Charles and Moira know about it, and what we're seeing now isn't "Xavier's dream for mutants", it's Moiracharles's, or just Moira's, and that's why things seem off. It would also add context to Charles's "No more..", as while i'm sure that having to psychically rebuild people sucks, Moira has a reason to say "No More", as in "No more lives to get this right", or "No more failures" in an "thank god, I might have finished my work" way. We Got Us A Bread fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Sep 21, 2019 |
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Rick posted:The real problem is when Wolverine, still alive, hitches a ride on a meteor back to Earth. Too Many Wolverines has never been a problem for Marvel.
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danbanana posted:The disonance between this complaint and your avatar is fantastic. You realize that's the default avatar right? It replaced the "Stupid Newbie" one
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galagazombie posted:You realize that's the default avatar right? It replaced the "Stupid Newbie" one yes but it's still great dissonance
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The weird thing about this event is that it’s going to be permanent. There’s no final boss they need to fight and then everything goes back to normal. It just introduces a status quo and then we go into 2 or more years of storylines.
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Billzasilver posted:The weird thing about this event is that it’s going to be permanent. There’s no final boss they need to fight and then everything goes back to normal. It just introduces a status quo and then we go into 2 or more years of storylines. It's comics. Nothing is 'permanent' except maybe Uncle Ben being dead. Hell the saying used to be "nobody stays dead except Uncle Ben and Bucky" and then Brubaker had a better idea. This'll be the status quo until some other writer comes along and wants a more "feared and hated" status quo.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:
That's the interesting thing here though: Hickman is putting together a story where this is a legitimate thing for once. One of the holes in the Marvel Universe that you had to will away was that for some reason the Fantastic Four was adored but mutants were hated. There were always half-hearted rationales for this. But what this is doing is justifying it all.
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That's not really what he's saying though. This event seemingly isn't like Age of Ultron or Days of Future Past etc. where they can punch it away. I'm not 100% sure on that just yet though. Because if it ends entering a new Moira life, that's effectively the same.
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Yeah, I mean more that this event isn’t supposed to be self-contained at all. Things don’t go back to normal when this event ends. There doesn’t need to be an epic battle between Xavier and Sinister over the final 3 issues. DivineCoffeeBinge posted:It's comics. Nothing is 'permanent' except maybe Uncle Ben being dead. I don’t expect anything to be permanent-permanent, but if this new status quo lasts for more than 5 years, that’s good enough for me. Jason Aaron has had one-armed Thor for about that long, and it’s been terrific. Billzasilver fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Sep 22, 2019 |
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Billzasilver posted:I don’t expect anything to be permanent-permanent, but if this new status quo lasts for more than 5 years, that’s good enough for me. Jason Aaron has had one-armed Thor for about that long, and it’s been terrific. Oh, absolutely, it's gonna be a nice long-term situation that will have some interesting ramifications - I'm looking at it more like Dark Reign where it's going to be the status quo basically 'until it isn't anymore.' I'm just saying, 'permanent' is not a word I trust in comics-related talk. 
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I was actually thinking about Avengers Dissembled, but Dark Reign is a better comparison
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