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The time when the Nazis beat the poo poo out of a Jewish counter protester on stage actually did lead to the mayor personally getting involved in getting the LAPD is to actually do something against the wishes of the Chief of Police, who of course tried to cover again for the Nazis .
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pookel posted:Yeah. I get that colonialism involved mass murder. But in the specific context of WWII, one side was doing that and the other side stopped them from finishing the job, so to say these two sides were equally bad? Seem to imply it doesn't matter which side won. And that's some galaxy brain both-sides bullshit. both the british and the nazis had genocides going on during WWII that had casualties numbering in the millions. The side that stopped the nazi one was the soviets.
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Bushiz posted:both the british and the nazis had genocides going on during WWII that had casualties numbering in the millions. The side that stopped the nazi one was the soviets. If you attribute millions of deaths in India due to the effect of British policies rather than direct orders the same way you do to the Nazis then the Nazi death toll easily climbs into the hundreds of millions. Colonialism was terrible, reprehensible and a massive tragedy in its own right and a shame in British history but even the millions of people who died due to British colonialism but the sheer horror and evil of what the Nazis did and how deliberately it was carried out in such a short time shouldn’t be equivocated to every other historical crime and man-made famines. Fascism was a uniquely terrible and destructive ideology even by the standards what Europe had done to the third world.
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paypal's banning nazis apparently the timing feels weird to me, but hey
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:If you attribute millions of deaths in India due to the effect of British policies rather than direct orders the same way you do to the Nazis then the Nazi death toll easily climbs into the hundreds of millions. Churchill directly ordered that food not be sent to India, and that the local government was not allowed to use its own money or ships to import more. The US and Australia offered to help, and they were either ignored or told not to get involved by his cabinet. He was quoted as saying "I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion." The Bengal famine was very specifically a man made disaster and the people who created it were directly and intentionally responsible for those deaths.
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you love to see it https://twitter.com/zei_nabq/status/1174818782671462402?s=19
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Bothsiding the actuall Nazis, the Adolph Hitler Nazis, to own the libs
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predicto posted:Bothsiding the actuall Nazis, the Adolph Hitler Nazis, to own the libs Nothing anyone said makes the nazis better. They were unquestionably evil pieces of poo poo, and the entire world is better off because they were defeated. Its important to understand that they are not unique though. The holocaust wasn't something that could have only happened under Adolf Hitler, because plenty of genocides happened many times before. Tearing down someone like Churchill isn't about bothsiding the nazis, its about making people reckon with the actual history of the world and understanding that the same unimaginably horrible poo poo hitler did was the same poo poo that some of our own leaders either condoned or engaged in directly.
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Spergin Morlock posted:Scattershot so much less powerful than Grapeshot Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:hey this thread could use a mood-lightener: wait, the individual slats of the fence are grippable? lol
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Shalebridge Cradle posted:Nothing anyone said makes the nazis better. They were unquestionably evil pieces of poo poo, and the entire world is better off because they were defeated. Its important to understand that they are not unique though. The holocaust wasn't something that could have only happened under Adolf Hitler, because plenty of genocides happened many times before. And also that Hitler and other Nazis explicitly cited UK and US colonial and domestic policies as inspiration for their own anti-Jewish laws and the way they carried out the Germanisation of conquered territories.
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John Charity Spring posted:And also that Hitler and other Nazis explicitly cited UK and US colonial and domestic policies as inspiration for their own anti-Jewish laws and the way they carried out the Germanisation of conquered territories. The US was way hard into eugenics and racist proscribed genealogy and torturing folks in various inhuman ways and mass genocide before the 3rd Reich was a glint in Hitler's un-aryan eye. Manifest Destiny is literally a slow motion Holocaust/Lebensraum rolled in one dead Native American wrapped package. D.Ork Bimboolean has issued a correction as of 09:40 on Sep 20, 2019 |
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Hellsau posted:wait, the individual slats of the fence are grippable? lol lol that this is the design they went with when there was all that hoo-hah about a design competition and wall testing. They literally pick the one that's easiest to climb.
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:If you attribute millions of deaths in India due to the effect of British policies rather than direct orders the same way you do to the Nazis then the Nazi death toll easily climbs into the hundreds of millions. SpaceSDoorGunner posted:Colonialism was terrible, reprehensible and a massive tragedy in its own right and a shame in British history but even the millions of people who died due to British colonialism but the sheer horror and evil of what the Nazis did and how deliberately it was carried out in such a short time shouldn’t be equivocated to every other historical crime and man-made famines. Fascism was a uniquely terrible and destructive ideology even by the standards what Europe had done to the third world. I really don’t like how the horrors of colonialism are almost always described as if they were some unintended consequences that nobody expected. Note the words you use to describe what the Nazis did: deliberate, horror and evil. Colonialism was: terrible, reprehensible and a massive tragedy. Not deliberate. What the British empire did was no loving accident. It was official policy and exactly as deliberately carried out as the Holocaust.
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G erman A merican B und
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Nazism was colonialism turned against the imperial center. America was one of the models nazis used for their race laws. They called slavs “indians” because they planned to settle land east of German once they had murdered everyone there. It’s not equivocation to point that out. One of the only good things the world’s empires—America included—ever did was killing nazis and they should have killed more.
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apparently jordan peterson went cold turkey on benzos and is in rehab clonazepam
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Ague Proof posted:apparently jordan peterson went cold turkey on benzos and is in rehab like right now?
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yes. he's in rehab right now
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Hedenius posted:How does the Nazi death toll go into the hundreds of millions? I’m genuinely curious to what you mean.
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:Equivocating between the allies and the Nazis is as obnoxious as equivocating between the Nazis and Stalin I mean if you feel that way fine I guess but facts are facts and ignoring them for some reason to score points against someone ( I’m not even sure who)is also kind of dumb. unless you like just desperately need the story to have a hero but like why CharlestheHammer has issued a correction as of 14:18 on Sep 20, 2019 |
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StashAugustine posted:The German strategy in the East depended on mass starvation of Soviet civilians, even without the actual death squads running around Pretty much, industrial liquidation of the Jews was possible because they were even in the old Pale of Settlement a minority. But to wipe out the majority of Poles, East Slavs and Balts was too huge in scale. Mass starvation was one of the planned methods for the cities at least. Probably the best way to put it is that civilian death in Poland and the USSR was for Germany not a side effect of war, but the long term POINT of both invasions. And to count those as genocidal is fair.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:lol that this is the design they went with when there was all that hoo-hah about a design competition and wall testing. They literally pick the one that's easiest to climb. no this is the existing design that they are just continuing to use because this type is cheap and why change
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didnt FDR hate churchill
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Ague Proof posted:apparently jordan peterson went cold turkey on benzos and is in rehab
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cargo cult posted:didnt FDR hate churchill iirc he thinks ght he was a pompous prick. Don't recall what he thought of Stalin but he also got along with Chiang Kai-shek pretty well, which I don't think was reciprocated considering he kept asking him and Mao to let bygones be bygones and get along
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:America was one of the models nazis used for their race laws. Yes, it is. There are differences of degree that become differences in kind. While America has nothing to be proud of in its treatment of minority groups, it's entirely superficial to put Jim Crow and the Nuremberg laws in the same bucket.
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Ague Proof posted:apparently jordan peterson went cold turkey on benzos and is in rehab Huh. Don't remember that being in the 12 rules...
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i always thought a interesting alt history setting would be if the kmt never purged it's left wing of communists
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Remember that Straight Pride Parade where a bunch of lonely men showed up to complain that no one wanted to gently caress them? It cost us over six hundred thousand dollars. https://twitter.com/AudioBruce/status/1174753007319289858?s=19
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anyone remember #notyourshield
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You have to wonder what it is like to live as someone who wakes up in the morning determined to make the world a worse place.
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reminder jordan peterson pulled himself off patreon and convinced his IDW pals to do the same so they could make an alternative where sargon of akkad could call people n words they did this before showing their nword business plan to payment processors
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CuddleCryptid posted:You have to wonder what it is like to live as someone who wakes up in the morning determined to make the world a worse place.
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pookel posted:Yeah. I get that colonialism involved mass murder. But in the specific context of WWII, one side was doing that and the other side stopped them from finishing the job, so to say these two sides were equally bad? Seem to imply it doesn't matter which side won. And that's some galaxy brain both-sides bullshit. I mean the allies committed colonial genocide immediately before, during, and after WW2
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Does anybody have any reading material wrt to media treatment of antifascist organization in the 30s, media and business supporting nazis, etc...?
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I’m specifically responding to whoever “both sidesed” WW2. In many ways Nazis “perfected” the process that the US and other settlers used against the Natives and took racism and colonialism to its most horrific form. The point I’m making is that the Nazis were somehow even worse than any previous crime against humanity to such an extent that you shouldn’t equivocate the sheer scale and speed of what they did. This “well liberals and moderates do bad things and also fascists do bad things” is the reasoning that the KPD and non-Soviet socialist parties split from each other. The direct consequence of this was the Nazis taking power because they underestimated just how much worse fascists are than any other ideology. The “hundreds of millions” is when you add the second order effects such as the famines in the Soviet Union and elsewhere following the war. That’s the point I trying to make. I guess this derail is probably unproductive at this point and splitting hairs over it further just kinda looks like minimizing for either colonialism or Nazism depending on which side you’re arguing here but I just wanted to clarify the point I’m trying to make and since I’ve been reading and listening to a lot about the Weimar recently it reminded me how the Nazis were able to exploit that sort of rhetoric.
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Phi230 posted:Does anybody have any reading material wrt to media treatment of antifascist organization in the 30s, media and business supporting nazis, etc...? I can’t think of any book off the top of my head that address this specifically though I’m sure there are plenty. Henry Ford was a huge supporter of fascism and Time magazine’s 1938 ‘Man of the Year’ plus a lot of media like the NYT fawned over Hitler and wrote humanizing fluff pieces. Much of the early 30’s though Mussolini was more of the face of fascism. There was also “Father Coughlin’s” fascist radio show in the US that was insanely popular in the 1930’s.
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Grape posted:Pretty much, industrial liquidation of the Jews was possible because they were even in the old Pale of Settlement a minority. But to wipe out the majority of Poles, East Slavs and Balts was too huge in scale. Mass starvation was one of the planned methods for the cities at least. The Balts were going to be given a pass as they fit into the Germanic side of Nazi racial modeling, as I recall. SpaceSDoorGunner posted:I can’t think of any book off the top of my head that address this specifically though I’m sure there are plenty. Not for nothing was the Daily Mail referred to as the Daily Heil in the 1930s.
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