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lol ”Sorry this only happened like six times! He clearly didn’t continue to think it was funny!”
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There's the big difference between the Liberals and the Conservatives. The Liberals have realized that apologizing is free, and you can do it as many times as you like.
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infernal machines posted:There's the big difference between the Liberals and the Conservatives. The Liberals have realized that apologizing is free, and you can do it as many times as you like. Conservatives hate apologizing because they think it's effeminate. A Real Man never changes his mind about anything and never apologizes, and basically all they want from their leaders is that exact brand of toxic masculinity because they associate that with aggressive leadership.
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Sep 20, 2019 15:18
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NDP - Sorry Libs - Sorry, not sorry Cons - Not sorry
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RBC posted:Some of the more ridiculous twitter reactions from Liberal party hacks: All these white people saying "apology accepted" are just the worst. He's not (or at least shouldn't be) apologizing to you.
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Sep 20, 2019 15:26
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thehoodie posted:All these white people saying "apology accepted" are just the worst. He's not (or at least shouldn't be) apologizing to you. B-b-b-b-but my dad wore blackface while performing and people loved it!
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Sep 20, 2019 15:29
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A couple more fun facts about West Point Grey Academy, the school with 20K tuition and faculty supervised minstrel shows: -The Fraser Institute ranked West Point Grey as one of the top schools in the country, giving it a perfect 10.0 rating. -Justin Trudeau's faculty roommate at West Point Grey went on to head up the Social Studies Department until 2010, he would later plead guilty to possession of child pornography.
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Sep 20, 2019 15:32
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My grandmother did blackface multiple times between 1940 and 1965 and I will be the first to say that she should not be prime minister.
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Sep 20, 2019 15:51
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That actually made Canada great photo is hilarious and I wish the Liberals weren't such trash so I could troll the Tories with it
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Sep 20, 2019 16:07
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thehoodie posted:All these white people saying "apology accepted" are just the worst. He's not (or at least shouldn't be) apologizing to you. Black community representatives are saying "who gives a poo poo, what are the different parties proposing to do about the systemic conditions that lead to racism thriving in the first place?"
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Jan posted:Black community representatives are saying "who gives a poo poo, what are the different parties proposing to do about the systemic conditions that lead to racism thriving in the first place?" Seeing as the Liberal agenda seems to be offering so little support that not only will the systemic conditions that lead to racism continue to thrive, but also serve to illegitimize calls to dedicate the actual resources necessary to correct these systemic conditions, it sure as poo poo isn't the LPC. It's been painfully obvious for a while now that theyre deliberately failing, because they want to protect the status quo.
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Jan posted:Black community representatives are saying "who gives a poo poo, what are the different parties proposing to do about the systemic conditions that lead to racism thriving in the first place?" Yes but this is canada we're talking about. The best we're going to get is ndp capturing votes. The worst is this splitting up the lib base votes for a con gov. The conversation is not going to be how to solve systemic racism unless Jagmeet takes it there with platform solutions.
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Showing my ignorance of the political system here, but can Scheer/the cons repeal stuff like Bill C-16? Perhaps it's a bit naive, but one of my worries of a conservative majority is them getting on the whole "campus free speech' train and finding ways to erode LGBT+ rights or otherwise just hamper that stuff in general.
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Oxyclean posted:Showing my ignorance of the political system here, but can Scheer/the cons repeal stuff like Bill C-16? If it is an act of Parliament, and a majority of Parliament votes to repeal or modify it, then yes. There's no such thing as "no take-backsies."
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EvilJoven posted:Seeing as the Liberal agenda seems to be offering so little support that not only will the systemic conditions that lead to racism continue to thrive, but also serve to illegitimize calls to dedicate the actual resources necessary to correct these systemic conditions, it sure as poo poo isn't the LPC. Toalpaz posted:Yes but this is canada we're talking about. Pretty much. Outside of broken promises on First Nations reconciliation, pretty much none of the platforms express anything regarding systemic racism. Which is why it's important to reframe this Trudeau brownface "scandal" in those terms rather than having a slapfight about whether he's racist or not. He is racist, the government is racist, society's elites are racist, and the only way to fix that is slowly pushing back for change. It's pretty evident that this probably won't happen this election cycle, given how much Singh's ethnicity and ~religious symbols~  are playing against him.The only platform that indicates anything about racial inequality is the PPC's, and not in the right way. 
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Honestly the fact that the Liberals seem to be on the 'let's say we're going to try to not be racist and then do it in a way that's sure to fail' track honestly makes them worse in my eyes than the rights 'gently caress it lets just be racist' tack. Claiming to want to do something and then doing it in a way that fails on purpose and gives more ammunition to the opponents of the cause is outright sabotaging the cause.
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Oxyclean posted:Showing my ignorance of the political system here, but can Scheer/the cons repeal stuff like Bill C-16? They sure can. tagesschau posted:If it is an act of Parliament, and a majority of Parliament votes to repeal or modify it, then yes. There's no such thing as "no take-backsies." While this is generally true, it's not quite as free form as it is over the in UK, due to the existence of the written Constitution and Charter. So while 50%+1 could erase C-16 overnight, trying to do the same with say the Charter protected grounds (race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability) would get smacked down by the courts in a real hurry.
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OTOH overt racism is also really bad as seen south of the border. Normalizing hate and xenophobia by overtly and repeatedly acting it out in the public sphere has very clear detrimental effects on a society that's just barely coming to terms with concepts like "racism is bad".
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PittTheElder posted:They sure can. But Bill C-16 added gender identity and expression to the Charter. I suspect the Cons might try, but the courts wouldn’t let them do it; and that explicitly removing rights from a marginalized group would not go over well at all with pretty much everyone. Also Jordan Peterson is currently in rehab for a benzos addiction so lol
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Arivia posted:But Bill C-16 added gender identity and expression to the Charter.
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Pinterest Mom posted:It did not - that would have required a constitutional amendment. It added gender identity and expression to the Human Rights Act, which is not the Charter of Rights. Oh! My bad.
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Glad this threads prevailing opinions are either "Welp, the only other than Conservatives are Liberals" and "Racism did not exist until Twitter was invented" and the classic "Nobody in Canada knew black people existed until full adoption of the internet. Real gems coming out of the woodwork here 
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Arivia posted:benzos addiction Like fullblown wackadoo for four days straight with multiple hospital visits. Good times. Doctors need better training in treating addicts.
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Sir_TaxALot posted:I like that everyone knows making blackface is super bad but no one is just sure exactly why. Cerepol posted:People know exactly why it's bad. It's reducing an inherent part of someone, that has been used to marginalize, demean, and outright harass people, to a loving costume. I think there are huge swaths of white Canadians who have *heard* that blackface is bad but do not understand why. They don't know any people of colour, they didn't learn about systemic racism in school. Racism isn't something that affects them personally and so they really don't put any effort into educating themselves on it. A lot of them genuinely believe that racism is about intent, not effect (most of the education on racism I got at school was being shown Mississippi Burning and effectively being told "don't join the Klan, that's what racism is and it's bad"). So they think "people are sensitive about this but not for any good reason that I know of, so I'm not going to let them stop me from having some fun that is victimless because my intention is not to mock anyone or anything." Or "Dan's costume is risque! But he's a good guy and I know he means no harm." And there's like one person of colour in their town who just wants to keep their head down and get through the day without any extra poo poo, and so the white people in town say "he's never complained!" or he's said "it doesn't bother me" to them and so they figure that any uproar in the media is disingenuous. And that's not excusable or okay or anything, but I don't see those people spontaneously changing their mind. The only thing I can think of that will change minds like that is more education, like, e.g., Wistful of Dollars posted:Why wearing blackface or brownface is considered 'reprehensible' And if all these people are really going to understand and change their minds, they'll have to hear that over and over. Which isn't right or just, but I don't know what else will work? And I think if you're a person of colour it's totally fair to shout "they should just try empathy for once!" and it's not your job to fix them. But if we're talking about what the institutions of power should do to fix them - repeated education has to be an important element, right? SPEAKING OF WHICH - as for Trudeau, whether or not he should have known better in the past when, as he puts it, he "wore makeup" (cut to his communications people: "whatever you do, DON'T say 'blackface'") - from what I've seen he hasn't demonstrated *in the here and now* that he actually understands why it's bad. He may know! But he hasn't shown that in the apology clips I've seen. (Those saying this is a teachable moment are right, but Trudeau has to actually do some teaching.) He's said it's bad and he's sorry, but I haven't heard him once say "It's bad because..." And that's possible to do! Singh did more to accomplish that in a single one-minute statement than Trudeau did in 10+ minutes of smirking airplane interview. But also all of that is said from my white Canadian perspective and I absolutely see too much from that point of view, so apologies in advance for being tone-deaf/dumb/etc.
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I’m black. Trudeau is gonna lose from this so double gently caress him for being a racist dumbo. Even neo-nazis aren’t stupid enough to do blackface
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drjuggalo posted:I’m black. Trudeau is gonna lose from this so double gently caress him for being a racist dumbo. Even neo-nazis aren’t stupid enough to do blackface Yeah, sure. This whole thing will have zero measurable effect on the election results 
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just another posted:This whole thing will have zero measurable effect on the election results That is an unfalsifiable prediction. 
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David Corbett posted:Imagine how Trudeau's leadership opponents back in 2013 must be feeling right now Imagine a Stephen Harper that knew how to use a search engine
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Dreylad posted:Imagine a Stephen Harper that knew how to use a search engine CanPol 2019 Election: He Just Wasn't Ready
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vyelkin posted:Conservatives hate apologizing because they think it's effeminate. A Real Man never changes his mind about anything and never apologizes, and basically all they want from their leaders is that exact brand of toxic masculinity because they associate that with aggressive leadership. I also think politicians are looking at our culture and interaction with social media and deciding that the best course of action is to never apologize and I can't say they're wrong from a tactical point of view. Dreylad fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Sep 20, 2019 |
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Normy posted:The shitlibs don't deserve your strategic votes. The advantage of being an expat voter is you can fill in your special ballot from home. So I can scream into a pillow while I futilely tick "NDP" knowing it won't amount to anything.
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Oxyclean posted:Showing my ignorance of the political system here, but can Scheer/the cons repeal stuff like Bill C-16? The flip side to this is that since our country is fairly decentralized the repeal of Bill C-16 does nothing to affect every province that has adopted gender identity and expression in their own human rights code, which at this point is most of them. All it does as a federal law is cover federal workplaces I believe. The sheer amount of misinformation blasted about Bill C-16 when it was kicking around in Parliament means that it's far less significant than people thought, although it's not insignificant either since plenty of people work for the federal government. Dreylad fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Sep 20, 2019 |
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PittTheElder posted:That is an unfalsifiable prediction.  I suppose so. I just don't see this swaying anyone who was voting Liberal, regardless of how big a faux pas it is. Maybe it'll demoralize some small number of Lib-leaning voters, or encourage some dippers to show up.
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just another posted:
I'm pretty miserable because I was considering a strategic vote to Liberal since they're the incumbent in my district and won last time. An NDP might still be "safe" in the sense that the liberal won by a wide margin over the conservative last time but gently caress, who know this election.
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Good hair though.
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Oxyclean posted:I'm pretty miserable because I was considering a strategic vote to Liberal since they're the incumbent in my district and won last time. An NDP might still be "safe" in the sense that the liberal won by a wide margin over the conservative last time but gently caress, who know this election. Voting your conscience is almost always the best way to vote. Strategic voting is a mug's game.
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just another posted:Yeah, sure. Hell yeah a toxx I can interpret in the most capricious way possible. 
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Helsing posted:Hell yeah a toxx I can interpret in the most capricious way possible.  Oh poo poo.
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