|
Chilichimp posted:Or... and I can't stress this enough... it's exactly what it appears to be? What is "exactly what it appears to be" here? Isn't that the "doesn't know what she's talking about" option here?
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 16:55
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 7, 2024 19:16 |
|
|
Ytlaya posted:What is "exactly what it appears to be" here? Isn't that the "doesn't know what she's talking about" option here? She doesn't want to give Jake Tapper a "I promise to raise your taxes" soundbyte. The same thing Bernie is doing. You know, the baseline interpretation that started this derail.
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 17:08
|
|
|
They seriously just need to cut it down to the top 5 candidates, if the no hopers haven't made a move yet, it's nev gonna happen
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 17:13
|
|
|
Chilichimp posted:She doesn't want to give Jake Tapper a "I promise to raise your taxes" soundbyte. The same thing Bernie is doing. They're both old enough to remember Mondale's 84 convention speech. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07m39CQRJXw
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 17:14
|
|
|
Chilichimp posted:She doesn't want to give Jake Tapper a "I promise to raise your taxes" soundbyte. The same thing Bernie is doing. Except Bernie never does that? He constantly acknowledges, “Your taxes will go up,” as part of his messaging on M4A. Likely because he understands that, like the “socialist” label, running away from it clearly doesn’t work, so you might as well embrace it and spend some time explaining what you actually mean whenever you get the chance. And Warren, who has much easier access to mass media, has many more opportunities to do so, which is why it’s so disappointing to see her flub it over and over again. It’s also hardly a derail to discuss one of the leading contenders for the Democratic nomination and her inability to convincingly explain a core part of her campaign, especially when said candidate has branded herself as the one with all the “plans.”
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 17:49
|
|
|
Calibanibal posted:Working class person: Bernie will you take a selfie with me? Fat cat is running to his New England lakehouse (which he probably calls a “dacha”)!
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 17:51
|
|
|
rko posted:Except Bernie never does that? He constantly acknowledges, “Your taxes will go up,” as part of his messaging on M4A. Likely because he understands that, like the “socialist” label, running away from it clearly doesn’t work, so you might as well embrace it and spend some time explaining what you actually mean whenever you get the chance. And Warren, who has much easier access to mass media, has many more opportunities to do so, which is why it’s so disappointing to see her flub it over and over again. my bad https://twitter.com/politico/status/1144421342961393665?s=20 The point still stands though, that the media is trying to get their "taxes will go up" sound byte so they can disingenuously run it. She's acknowledging that taxes will go up when she answers "costs will go down". also, idk a better word than derail for a tangent of discussion in a thread, that has common acceptance. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Sep 20, 2019 |
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 17:52
|
|
|
Give them their loving sound byte. Who cares. Your base knows the question is bullshit to begin with. Why are you trying to win over people who would shy away from medicare 4 all if they heard taxes would go up? Those people are Republicans anyway. Why is Elizabeth Warren caring so much about what Republicans think? Ohhhhhh yeah right because she is one lol
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 18:09
|
|
|
Streak posted:Give them their loving sound byte. Who cares. Your base knows the question is bullshit to begin with. Why are you trying to win over people who would shy away from medicare 4 all if they heard taxes would go up? Those people are Republicans anyway. Why is Elizabeth Warren caring so much about what Republicans think? Ohhhhhh yeah right because she is one lol No, she was one. Until she was 46 years old.
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 18:18
|
|
|
Streak posted:Give them their loving sound byte. Who cares. Your base knows the question is bullshit to begin with. Why are you trying to win over people who would shy away from medicare 4 all if they heard taxes would go up? Those people are Republicans anyway. Why is Elizabeth Warren caring so much about what Republicans think? Ohhhhhh yeah right because she is one lol Handle it like Bernie does and call it out as the republican talking point that it is.
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 18:23
|
|
|
Just throwing this out there: given that we hear a lot of crap (mostly disingenuous) about Bernie’s “ceiling” and a bloc of however many Democrats who refuse to support him, does anybody think Sanders would be benefiting right now if he had stayed in the Democratic Party since 2015 rather than dropping out between Presidential cycles? I’m inclined to say no; I’m not even sure how many voters are aware of his I-D-I-D movement. And of those who are, some likely admire him for it. I can’t imagine it making a difference great enough to change the outcome of the primary. Does anyone think differently?
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 18:25
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1175083797055975424
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 18:25
|
|
|
Steyer sucks and needs to get out of the race, but hasn’t he been a climate activist for a long time? It’s probably offset by whatever he does to make his billions, and it’s always good to see crowds react negatively to centrists, but he doesn’t really strike me as a poser on this. Not at “Steve Buscemi meme” levels anyway.
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 18:31
|
|
|
I find it incredibly hard to believe anyone recognized who Tom steyer was
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 18:32
|
|
|
Nate Cohn still believe Klobuchmentum https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1175099445496692737 https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1175100331564437509
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 18:33
|
|
|
Mellow Seas posted:Steyer sucks and needs to get out of the race, but hasn’t he been a climate activist for a long time? He’s a great example of how self-centered privileged people are when it comes to activism. He could be throwing his billions into fighting climate change directly, or hell just even organizing protests. Instead he decided that what the climate needs most is for him to be president. So sure, he does honestly believe in the crisis, but he’s already proven too self-centered to lead.
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 18:35
|
|
|
Mellow Seas posted:Just throwing this out there: given that we hear a lot of crap (mostly disingenuous) about Bernie’s “ceiling” and a bloc of however many Democrats who refuse to support him, does anybody think Sanders would be benefiting right now if he had stayed in the Democratic Party since 2015 rather than dropping out between Presidential cycles? I think he would have benefited more if he had actually joined the Democrats a while ago...when he joined the Senate, at least, instead of playing the silly games he plays in Vermont where he always potions to get on the ballot as the Democratic candidate, and then, once he gets the nomination, turns it down. A lot of the dislike for him among Democratic leadership and the institutional party is less for what he believes, and more because he's seen as egotistical and opportunistic.
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 18:38
|
|
|
Trabisnikof posted:He’s a great example of how self-centered privileged people are when it comes to activism. He could have helped 100s of state level candidates get elected with the money he has been spending to get himself onto a debate stage
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 18:41
|
|
|
Honestly the Democratic brand is such dogshit to anyone that isn't a brain worms infested liberal that I think it probably doesn't hurt him and may indeed even help him among some parts of the primary electorate!
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 18:45
|
|
|
Epicurius posted:I think he would have benefited more if he had actually joined the Democrats a while ago...when he joined the Senate, at least, instead of playing the silly games he plays in Vermont where he always potions to get on the ballot as the Democratic candidate, and then, once he gets the nomination, turns it down. It's definitely because he doesn't carry the party line of never doing anything. I'm sure they like him just fine personally but his politics are where they actually oppose him.
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 18:47
|
|
|
Epicurius posted:I think he would have benefited more if he had actually joined the Democrats a while ago...when he joined the Senate, at least, instead of playing the silly games he plays in Vermont where he always potions to get on the ballot as the Democratic candidate, and then, once he gets the nomination, turns it down. Gonna go ahead and say that's mutual.
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 18:47
|
|
|
MooselanderII posted:Honestly the Democratic brand is such dogshit to anyone that isn't a brain worms infested liberal that I think it probably doesn't hurt him and may indeed even help him among some parts of the primary electorate! Maybe. But to many people the Democratic brand is synonymous with the “not Republican” brand, which is doing gangbusters.
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 18:51
|
|
|
Mellow Seas posted:Maybe. But to many people the Democratic brand is synonymous with the “not Republican” brand, which is doing gangbusters. Nobody's ever going to confuse Bernie for being a Republican. (despite the best efforts of the abovementioned brainwormed gang to do so) Also, how well did that work out last time?
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 18:53
|
|
|
To be fair, Bernie is wise to the "raise your taxes" line and answers the question "your taxes will go up?" With some form of "by less than your current premiums" or "only on millionaires and billionaires"
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 18:59
|
|
|
MooselanderII posted:Honestly the Democratic brand is such dogshit to anyone that isn't a brain worms infested liberal that I think it probably doesn't hurt him and may indeed even help him among some parts of the primary electorate! Bernie has done more to help the Democratic Party than their entire leadership. Without him passionately laying out a popular progressive agenda, we wouldn’t even be having conversations about good policy that is inspiring voters. Warren’s platform is straight Bernie lite, and even Biden apes some of Bernie’s populist rhetoric. Bernie also has more cross appeal to Republicans and independents than triangulating centrists that adopt Republican lite policies to court voters. Which should make him an extra strong contender in the general. But lol if he’s ever framed that way in the media instead of being an unlikeable radical appealing only to the fringes. Worries about Bernie not being seen as a Democrat hurting him in the general are overblown. He’s been a progressive ally for decades. He’s been getting elected to Senate for a long rear end time now by Democrats. The people naysaying Bernie’s sometimes independent status are just sycophants. They probably still think Pelosi is playing some long game to totally take down Trump and his cronies.
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 19:00
|
|
|
Mellow Seas posted:Maybe. But to many people the Democratic brand is synonymous with the “not Republican” brand, which is doing gangbusters. I don’t know if that is actually backed up by the polling data. For example, this sharp decline in Republican Party approval occurs while Democratic Party approval remains flat.  I think voters at large hold opinions about the two parties that aren’t just “Democrats and Republicans are opposites”
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 19:00
|
|
|
mandatory lesbian posted:I find it incredibly hard to believe anyone recognized who Tom steyer was People in Iowa might, he's basically spent more on ads than there everyone else combined. Also on Facebook ads, although it doesn't seem like many Americans want to take The Tom Steyer Challenge.
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 19:03
|
|
|
haha when the democrats had a 15 point higher approval rating than the republicans they lost 9 senate seats and 13 house seats (lost the vote by nearly 6 percent).
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 19:03
|
|
|
nearly killed em! posted:It's definitely because he doesn't carry the party line of never doing anything. I'm sure they like him just fine personally but his politics are where they actually oppose him. Bernie is great at never doing anything, though. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 19:06
|
|
|
Loser (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 19:11
|
|
|
Ghost Leviathan posted:Nobody's ever going to confuse Bernie for being a Republican. (despite the best efforts of the abovementioned brainwormed gang to do so) You've reminded me that we have an electoral system where empty land has greater impact on the election than which person got more votes. I hate this sensation.
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 19:12
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/TravisDotRun/status/1175085085965672448?s=19 Being a Master of Data™ entitles you to just loving make up numbers.
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 19:14
|
|
|
Mellow Seas posted:Just throwing this out there: given that we hear a lot of crap (mostly disingenuous) about Bernie’s “ceiling” and a bloc of however many Democrats who refuse to support him, does anybody think Sanders would be benefiting right now if he had stayed in the Democratic Party since 2015 rather than dropping out between Presidential cycles? I severely doubt there would be significant impact. Anyone who's tuned in enough to both know about that and have a strong opinion about it probably also has strong opinions one way or the other about the party establishment and its primary issue positions. Besides, the people who loudly claim to prize party loyalty and "vote blue no matter who" tend to be nowhere to be seen when the party is betraying leftist Dems (for example, when Ilhan Omar was being accused of anti-Semitism) or being betrayed by right-wing Dems (Manchin, Lieberman, etc), so I have doubts about how genuine that sentiment really is.
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 19:22
|
|
|
Pinky Artichoke posted:Bernie is great at never doing anything, though. What's it like being this goddamn stupid? Are you pretty relaxed, perpetually scared, or are you just constantly furrowing your brow in a vain attempt to keep up with what's going on around you? Bernie is highly accomplished but multiple colleagues of his have noted that he keeps his name off of bills if he thinks it'll help it pass. He doesn't grandstand, he doesn't demand kudos, he just does the work that needs to be done. Hell, Ross Perot gave him a loving sword in recognition of the sort of thankless work Bernie does every day. We finally have a presidential candidate who cares more about doing the right thing than getting praise for being performatively woke and it's loving inspiring.
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 19:24
|
|
|
Wicked Them Beats posted:What's it like being this goddamn stupid? Are you pretty relaxed, perpetually scared, or are you just constantly furrowing your brow in a vain attempt to keep up with what's going on around you? He, and many other libs in this thread, are not stupid they're just being hostile and disingenuous.
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 19:28
|
|
|
The DNC saw that the debates last cycle gave Bernie a platform to get his message out and attack The Anointed because he was the only one on stage that wasn't Hillary, and they are trying to prevent that this time around by flooding the stage so much and only calling on him when they are asking who is going to pay for it Like literally that, last debate they led a dogpile on Bernie over MFA and then didn't call on him again for an entire hour afterwards, past a couple significant topics
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 19:33
|
|
|
https://mobile.twitter.com/reidepstein/status/1175119005973196802 So great to see the Dem front-runner literally echoing Republican talking points
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 19:48
|
|
|
DaveWoo posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/reidepstein/status/1175119005973196802 Ughhhhh he is so frustrating
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 19:57
|
|
|
DaveWoo posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/reidepstein/status/1175119005973196802 Thankfully our current medical system doesn't cost a lot of money.
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 19:58
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 7, 2024 19:16 |
|
|
bowser posted:https://twitter.com/TravisDotRun/status/1175085085965672448?s=19 Nate Silver is huffing his own farts.
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2019 20:09
|
|