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Coohoolin posted:Well mine you know, but just in case- I'm Elijah, I've got the broad Scottish-with-American-tinge accent. I'm the sort of Glaswegian one, but no not that one.
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Public schools where almost all set up so that poor kids would get an education. Then the rich co-opted them. They have all abandoned their founding principles and should be closed down. What really boils my piss is how so many of them end up in government positions, their should be a generational (say 30 years) ban on all privately educated people working for the state or standing for a public position. They are already getting a massive leg up with their private school networks, they really don't need shoe horned into a public sinecure by their chums.
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Single sex schools sound weird as gently caress and belong in the same page of the history book as single race schools.HauntedRobot posted:Same. I've always been wary that coming out heavily against them is pulling up the ladder behind myself somehow because, yaknow. Guilt. But on balance I'd be happy to see them gone forever. They just break people.
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"I'm privately educated and I say kill 'em all!" Went to a proper Edwardian-style prep school (based in an old 18th century country house, was a boarding school although I was a day pupil, proper house structure with separate common rooms, separate junior and senior dining halls, that poo poo) and while the quality of the education and a lot of the extra-curricular stuff was very good, and there were two teachers (history and RE/philosophy) who, in retrospect, outright taught Marxism in class, the culture in the student body was awful - real Lord of the Flies vibes with rampant bullying, other-ising kids who weren't sufficiently good at sports (pity the ones who were also bad at/didn't like music as that was the main opposing collective) and apparently all tacitly approved by the headmaster and governors as some character-building Darwinian proving ground. My private secondary school was much, much better and was only bad in the sense that everyone there had parents able to pay their way to getting a good education and, like the system as a whole, it walled off a huge amount of talent and experience (both in the pupils and the teachers) from the rest of the education system. It was also really obvious once you got to the 6th form that the students were, unofficially but tangibly, divided into those doing the 'right' career path - Oxbridge to do law, medicine, politics or science - and those of us going to 'mere' redbrick unis to do grubby engineering, soft-touch humanity subjects or the worthless arts. Those aiming to do the right courses at the right unis got lifted out of lessons to have one-on-one coaching or to have lunches in the governors' dining room with people from BAE Systems or the local Tory Party chairman.
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so that's one extra SNP seat in the next election https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1176031694400491520
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Swinson is such a brain genius.
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Lol yes please jo just give the seat away why don't you
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PodFive was good. I did miss Sanitary Naptime and that other guy, the southern one, who sounds like an Ollie.
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How amazing would an election be if both Johnson and Swinson lost their seats.... One can dream
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Midnight- posted:How amazing would an election be if both Johnson and Swinson lost their seats.... we can call it the culling of the failsons
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Another count for single sex school that totally hosed my self image for life. State grammar, still had a lot of the snobbery that public schools have because it was selective and creamed off all the best of the whole North-West.
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Rarity posted:I went to an all boys private school in my pre-transition days and it was loving awful. The bullying I got there has played a major role into the anxiety I have to deal with as an adult. Single gendered schools should be banned worldwide. Case in point: I went to an all boys private school myself.
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Jippa posted:It was when they run around the country with the olympic torch (so 2012?) some goon said he was going to disrupt it I think. I can't remember more details than that. SomethingAwful has XKeyScore triggers I believe. There was a big list published ages ago.
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All boys state grammar here and I developed some loving toxic notions of masculinity & general attitudes towards gender & sexuality. Must really suck for trans people  Doctor_Fruitbat posted:So that sounds promising. Still putting my money on finding the matter to be justiceable but finding for the Government on the substantive point. Thinking your more politically minded acquaintance might be reading the tea leaves a bit too hard (or reading stuff by people that are), "early part of [this] week" is going on for like another day and a half & honestly seems like a crazy fast turnaround for 11 of the most senior judges to rule on one of the most politically loaded, constitutionally significant and legally interesting cases in history.
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Borrovan posted:All boys state grammar here and I developed some loving toxic notions of masculinity & general attitudes towards gender & sexuality. Must really suck for trans people I'm assuming your bet would find that parliament can remain prorogued?
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Moonwolf posted:Another count for single sex school that totally hosed my self image for life. State grammar, still had a lot of the snobbery that public schools have because it was selective and creamed off all the best of the whole North-West. Mine (Holland) was really different; there's tiered schools from like the age of 12, with the "smartest" packed off to 6-year prep-for-uni school with the most theoretical knowledge all the way to 4-year schools with much more focus on practical education. All that determined by a single test at the age of 12 plus the advice of the primary school. loving wild. And definitely not good for developing class consciousness if you're packed into a school of 1,000 kids who are (if they pass) guaranteed university entry. Still state-run though. Private schools are a super minority in the Netherlands.
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Tesseraction posted:I'm assuming your bet would find that parliament can remain prorogued?
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Borrovan posted:Yes, but with the caveat that the courts totally have the power to intervene if they did want to, they just happen to not particularly want to this time That would suck. For one thing it'd be the first vote that johnson would have technically won.
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AceOfFlames posted:Single gendered schools should be banned worldwide. Oh hey all boys grammar school here it hosed me up so bad. It's worse when you're skipped ahead a year so you're knocking on two years younger than most of your peers.
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gonna turn out i'm the only state comprehensive kid itt and i absolutely have a chip on my shoulder about it
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Delete private schools, all they do is insulate the rich from the results of their own actions. If you want your kids to go to a nice school, maybe elect people who aren’t going to enact “burn teachers to heat schools” policy for the next 5 years like the tories do.
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Looks like famed British patriots Iron Maiden (well, Bruce anyway) will be flying out to rescue brave British holidaymakers from the evil clutches of everywhere Thomas Cook sent them without paying. https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2019/sep/23/thomas-cook-travel-chaos-insolvency-leaves-150000-stranded-on-holidays-live-updates coffeetable posted:gonna turn out i'm the only state comprehensive kid itt I went to a state school. It's an Academy now and still doing just as badly. I done alright though.
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As I'm not a lawyer, I obviously will not have understood the hearings as well as some, but it did seem to me like there were enough justices asking about whether an opinion of the court would be interpreted as an order of the court, to which Lord Pannick was quick to assure them he was not seeking to do. The suggestion I felt was that they would find it justiciable, and recommend that parliament is unprorogued so that parliament could decide if prorogation should be legal in this circumstance. But, to repeat, that was my layman's ear.
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coffeetable posted:gonna turn out i'm the only state comprehensive kid itt I only went to state schools, including a shithole upper that failed its ofsted during my time there. Glad I did.
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Tesseraction posted:The suggestion I felt was that they would find it justiciable, and recommend that parliament is unprorogued so that parliament could decide if prorogation should be legal in this circumstance. That would be another lost vote for Johnson, so yeah, do that.
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Junior G-man posted:Mine (Holland) was really different; there's tiered schools from like the age of 12, with the "smartest" packed off to 6-year prep-for-uni school with the most theoretical knowledge all the way to 4-year schools with much more focus on practical education. Similar where I grew up, and in various parts of Europe I think. It's like somebody heard the problem of forcing all kids to be academic, and answered it with "you're right, we should sort the smart kids from the technical kids at the end of primary school, this has no possible downsides"
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I had no idea we have so many poshos
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Continuity RCP posted:I had no idea we have so many poshos Something something CHAMPAGNE SOCIALISTS 
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:That would be another lost vote for Johnson, so yeah, do that. I just want him to lose every single vote he ever faces as leader. It would be too good.
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coffeetable posted:gonna turn out i'm the only state comprehensive kid itt Nah mate. I went to Comp and that was considered fancy, because it was in Cheshire, not Stoke. (they dropped the comp after a few years, because they hated how common it sounded, but it was still a regular school)
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coffeetable posted:gonna turn out i'm the only state comprehensive kid itt Nah, I went to a state school in Scotland, & all state schools in Scotland are comprehensives. It was poo poo, although apparently is better now. The only chip I have on my shoulder I have about it is I was clearly deeply depressed & no one did anything about it so I just cruised through school doing the least work possible & ultimately got pisspoor results.
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State school for the whole ride. I might be unskilled and unemployed but at least I'm not posh, and that's the real winning.
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I went to a non-fee-paying all-girls school in Dublin and was quite happy with it. It's right next door to basically the Eton of Ireland though, full of posh rich boys with an overinflated sense of importance. When we had some prefabs put up after the older of our two school buildings was declared too hazardous to have classes upstairs anymore, someone hopped the wall between us and them and smashed our prefabs windows. Snobby bastards. Private schools are bad but I have to admit that having gone to all-girls my entire school life, I'm not super keen on the idea of abolishing that. Mostly because teenage boys are so obnoxious. floofyscorp fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Sep 23, 2019 |
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Switzerland has it too- halfway through middle school, so around the age of 12 or 13, you get put into A or B classes for math, German, possibly French? And maybe some other subject that I can't remember, and the amount of A classes you take determines whether you'll be able to go to the pre university high school, or if you'll have to make do with a vocational prep high school or even an apprenticeship. Mind you, at least having the options of vocational schools and apprenticeships is much better than in the UK, but imagine deciding whether or not you'll go to uni when you're 13.
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Tesseraction posted:As I'm not a lawyer, I obviously will not have understood the hearings as well as some, but it did seem to me like there were enough justices asking about whether an opinion of the court would be interpreted as an order of the court, to which Lord Pannick was quick to assure them he was not seeking to do. e: Rarity posted:Something something CHAMPAGNE SOCIALISTS 
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forkboy84 posted:Nah, I went to a state school in Scotland, & all state schools in Scotland are comprehensives. The school I was actually in the catchment area for was terrible. A few years ago they turned their act around, and I was visiting my folks, and they had an actual five meter banner running down the fence reading "Mary Hill is a good school - OFSTED" Thankfully my folks fought and got me into a decent school over the county border that recognized that dyslexia was a real thing.
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I went to a state school till Year 9 then was moved to an academic-focused private school, and I enjoyed the experience - I certainly got bullied less and it was a better environment for me, as kids actually cared about studying and not failing. But £90,000 for the privilege was exorbitant and I think the most important thing about it was just being a school full of upper-middle class kids whose parents cared about education, than any of the fancy buildings or trips to the Galapagos islands. Would be nice if such and experience was available to the whole population and not just those rich enough, though.
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Genuinely sorry for those that went to private school and had a bad time. Counterpoint (and I post this with slight wariness of being dogpiled but want to air my view): I went to one and really enjoyed my years there. While it certainly instilled confidence and a sense that I could shoot high, I don't recognise this "automatic right to be above the proles" thing. In addition, both my kids are in private schools and they love them. My very academic daughter in particular adores hers and how much she is stretched. She would be having a vastly worse time in any of our local states, and I consider her school fees a no-brainer. Both my kids are receiving a superb, broad education which includes instilling them with excellent values towards life and other people of any social background. Aside from being terribly illiberal, I also don't think abolishing private schools would help state schools. At the moment they save the state sector billions - the VAT saved on fees is tiny compared to the amount saved by the state not educating those pupils and that money would have to come from somewhere in a system that is already stretched and underfunded. In addition, abolishing private schools would turbo-charge the competition for housing around the best state schools, and other families would be even more priced out of properties in the catchments areas of these schools than they currently are. I want to see a good state sector, because while my kids are my priority I do care about other children, and because it is good for the country to have a well-educated populace. The way to do this is to improve the state sector in terms of funding and organisation, not to drag down private schools and possibly hamper your efforts to improve state schools into the bargain.
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Perhaps by contrast I went to an all-girls Catholic school and loved it and did great.
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Whole lot of pubbies in this thread. I think we can reclaim that word from the gamers. State school 'gifted and talented' streaming didn't do a drat thing for me mind, I spent a significant amount of lesson time just bored and sleeping at my desk. The real gently caress up was choosing to apply to a different sixth form because they offered English language and computing at A level rather than English lit and IT. Should have stuck with the plebs/salt of the earth guys I knew rather than socially isolating myself for two years so I can occasionally use the word Idiolect. RockyB fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Sep 23, 2019 |
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