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Screaming Idiot
Nov 26, 2007

JUST POSTING WHILE JERKIN' MY GHERKIN SITTIN' IN A PERKINS!

BEATS SELLING MERKINS.
I believe in the far-off future there's a taboo against showing faces. Like, you can outline your grundle all you please, but if you let people see your face you're going to Saturn Six for lewdness.

EDIT: the best snype

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BrianWilly
Apr 24, 2007

There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand
But what if -- and this is very important, the most important question I'll be asking -- what if I want everything to look pretty and be on theme? Like let's assume -- just in theory -- that I would literally rather die than to put a cold mod on my Ember or a heat mod on my Frost? Y'know. Theoretically.

Awesome!
Oct 17, 2008

Ready for adventure!


radiation on ember viral on frost

Screaming Idiot
Nov 26, 2007

JUST POSTING WHILE JERKIN' MY GHERKIN SITTIN' IN A PERKINS!

BEATS SELLING MERKINS.
Fuuuuuck Frost Harka looks so good. He looks like a cybernetic Lich King and I am loving down. Same for all the Graxx and Corpra skins, they're amazing.

Awesome!
Oct 17, 2008

Ready for adventure!


yeah frost deluxe is much better than the frost prime skin

Screaming Idiot
Nov 26, 2007

JUST POSTING WHILE JERKIN' MY GHERKIN SITTIN' IN A PERKINS!

BEATS SELLING MERKINS.
I use the Graxx skin and Prime helmet on Rhino Prime, and it looks damned good. With the purple/black/red/silver paintjob he looks like a Decepticon, and I'm enjoying that.

EDIT: The spore ephemera looks like rear end though, I don't even think it'll look good on Nidus. :(

Anora
Feb 16, 2014

I fuckin suck!🪠

Raptor1033 posted:

Do the overage ranks truly end at 30? I'm at 22 and starting to get curious if I'll hit that

Just hit "31" and yep, it stops at 30. Which sucks, cause I have 65 nora bucks.

SIGSEGV
Nov 4, 2010


Seatox posted:

I've always suspected she's tied to the Unum and the Quills somehow - the Quills do seem to have a habit of recruiting oddball specialists. Maybe she's even got access to the old Naga Drum system that showed up in the Octavia quest. Nora's way too sane and relatable to actually BE the Unum, though.

I thought the Naga Drums were the Tenno going "OK, vengeance time, we can set our watches all we want but here's the main thing: the ceremony starts at the same time everywhere, it has the same music everywhere, the musicians are robots everywhere, at the second intermezzo, we redecorate, geddit?" and that the drums themselves had no specific meaning. My other bet is that the Stalker talks about them that way in his codex entry because he was a kid of a high status Orokin, higher than the rest, and despite being a Tenno, basically spent the old war sitting on his rear end, and when victory came around, someone realized he hadn't done poo poo, so not only did we gently caress up his fun times, but we insulted him at the same time.

My other big question is about the crew of the ten-zero, we know that the Orokin were an empire with slave states and vassals and so on, in part to get the bodies for the bodyjackings, so were the Tenno and their parents among the bodyjackers castes and states or among the bodyjackees?

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007



Nora's new lines are a bit on the nose hahah

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

Sesquiculus posted:

A friend of mine has a similar theory: The Lotus is an amalgam personality made up of Natah and a cephalon of Margulis fused together, and now that Natah has broken free the remaining Cephalon Margulis has become Nora. His evidence is that you only ever see the lower half of her face (just like Lotus), she refers to you as "Dreamers", and she appeared at the same time Natah went full Sentient. It's dumb enough that I could see it happening.

Nora does seem to be referencing pre-fall-of-the-Orokin people a lot, and the man with the morals of a chainsaw could very well be Ballas.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

pft that could be any man.

Seatox
Mar 13, 2012

SIGSEGV posted:

I thought the Naga Drums were the Tenno going "OK, vengeance time, we can set our watches all we want but here's the main thing: the ceremony starts at the same time everywhere, it has the same music everywhere, the musicians are robots everywhere, at the second intermezzo, we redecorate, geddit?" and that the drums themselves had no specific meaning. My other bet is that the Stalker talks about them that way in his codex entry because he was a kid of a high status Orokin, higher than the rest, and despite being a Tenno, basically spent the old war sitting on his rear end, and when victory came around, someone realized he hadn't done poo poo, so not only did we gently caress up his fun times, but we insulted him at the same time.

My other big question is about the crew of the ten-zero, we know that the Orokin were an empire with slave states and vassals and so on, in part to get the bodies for the bodyjackings, so were the Tenno and their parents among the bodyjackers castes and states or among the bodyjackees?

Hunhow seemed to treat the "Beat of the Naga Drums", "Tenno Anthem", "Tenno Harmony" and "Sentient Dissonance" as Big Deals when burbling at us during the platforming fight for Octavia, and a lot communication and cryptography are reliant on timing.

If you're in a universe with FTL travel (the Man in the Wall likely has a side-line in melted clocks, given how messed up time on the Zariman Ten-Zero was), you probably want a good way to re-synchronize all your stuff to the rest of your networks after popping out of a solar rail, otherwise the Sentients will eat your secrets via side-channel attacks. It also makes a convenient solar system wide musical instrument/murder clock! Maybe we're both right. The Orokin do seem to mix aesthetics and function a lot with their technology.


And I don't think anyone knows who the passengers really were on the Ten-0, except for maybe DE's writers, if they're not just winging it again. Maybe we'll get more from the Duviri paradox?

RoadCrewWorker
Nov 19, 2007

camels aren't so great
You can totally see Nora's right eye in certain animations. It's... just an eye.

I guess this ruins my theory that she's been wearing incredibly goofy shades the entire time.

Anora posted:

Just hit "31" and yep, it stops at 30. Which sucks, cause I have 65 nora bucks.
i cant believe they would go to such arbitrary limitations to stop me from getting to rank 69

again

not nice at all DE :colbert:

RoadCrewWorker fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Sep 24, 2019

FunkyFjord
Jul 18, 2004



McKilligan posted:

Once you get into Riven territory, all this goes out the window and there are about a billion exceptions to any given rule, but by then you'll probably have figured most of it out.

This is one of the things I love about this game. Here's a ton of different systems and routines layered on top of each other. Okay here's some neat things you can do because stacking effects and warframe math. Okay here are the stand out exceptions to those mod setups and specific mechanics. now here's the exceptions to those exceptions.

Systems on systems with specific exceptions to many exceptions.

aniviron
Sep 11, 2014

Only been playing for like a week but Nora seems way chiller than Lotus, like Nora a lot better.

Can't shake the feeling that we the players are not usually doing good things when Lotus sends us out to do stuff. The line that best sums up the game for me at this point is from Clem's quest when Darvos is like "Clem asked you to murder the guy who stole his stuff. I'm just going to assume you're up for that, tenno."

Elysiume
Aug 13, 2009

Alone, she fights.
One of the things I like about Destiny's lore is that the player characters, guardians, are all explicitly called out in the lore as loot-hungry idiots who dance in the battlefield and kill themselves thirty times figuring out a new weapon or ability.

quote:

Blind Legion I Cohort/Century 3/Maniple 3
5 Squad [HEAVY INF]
TASK:
- defend Psion intelligence ops 071x146
OUTCOME:
- overwhelmed by Guardian fireteam/Vex pressure. few survivors. survivors reported Guardians foraging for equipment, dancing, and performing acrobatics with light vehicles.

quote:

Savin the Guardian showed a tremendous fondness for doing things; he had a pathologically task-oriented nature, which made him very useful to the Reef. Yet there was always the sense that his Ghost was watching, observing, reporting. And Savin was most of all greedy—not in the grasping manner of the petty, but in an enormous, all-consuming way, for he desired materials and experiences that would temper him into a better Guardian, and he was always experimenting with his strange powers in foolish ways that left him briefly dead, seeking "a new Super ability" or "some way to make my grenades faster." He grew tired of performing trivial tasks about the Reef, complaining that the dangerous repairs he made were endless and boring, and that he wanted to move on to new worlds. He leapt into space, repeatedly and without reason, as if his death were no more traumatic than a hop off a curb. Obsessed with reward and efficiency, he would rather do one profitable thing a thousand times than waste his efforts on a less beneficial novelty.

I'm not as clear on how much of a tenno's behavior is canonical. Guardians number in the thousands, compared to the millions of players. I've yet to see hard numbers for tenno, and I've seen estimates ranging from the 100s to claiming that every active player is a canonical tenno. I've killed a lot of enemies as a guardian, but I've killed over half a million as a tenno. I like the lore of Warframe but I don't have as good a feel for the tenno's place in it.

One of my favorite things about the murderously fickle nature of the tenno is that one day a corpus drone could hear an alarm go off as infested flood into the ship. Suddenly, a squad of tenno tear past them, harming none of the corpus, but annihilating the infested. Tomorrow that corpus drone gets ripped in half by a tenno who came back because the Lotus decided it was right.

Elysiume fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Sep 24, 2019

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.
Warframe used to make a lot more noise about "are the Tenno good... or AMORAL MERCENARIES?!"

It's mostly settled down into "yeah, no, they're basically folk heroes who gently caress up assholes and protect the weak."

Although the Lotus's motives are a more complicated, and as-yet unresolved issue. :v:

Avulsion
Feb 12, 2006
I never knew what hit me

Elysiume posted:

I'm not as clear on how much of a tenno's behavior is canonical. Guardians number in the thousands, compared to the millions of players. I've yet to see hard numbers for tenno, and I've seen estimates ranging from the 100s to claiming that every active player is a canonical tenno. I've killed a lot of enemies as a guardian, but I've killed over half a million as a tenno. I like the lore of Warframe but I don't have as good a feel for the tenno's place in it.

I like to imagine that the number of Tenno is equal to the number of players and that every time I do a sabotage mission I'm blowing up one of the millions of city sized capital ships that the Grineer lose every day.

The setting is a lot more absurd if you take everything literally, and I like it that way.

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Elysiume posted:

I'm not as clear on how much of a tenno's behavior is canonical. Guardians number in the thousands, compared to the millions of players. I've yet to see hard numbers for tenno, and I've seen estimates ranging from the 100s to claiming that every active player is a canonical tenno. I've killed a lot of enemies as a guardian, but I've killed over half a million as a tenno. I like the lore of Warframe but I don't have as good a feel for the tenno's place in it.

Yeah this is a question I have as well. I feel like roughly in the 1,000-20,000 range is where we're at, enough that we are a major power in the galaxy capable of defending places like Cetus but also small enough to be obviously overwhelmed by the other factions who certainly number in the hundred millions if not billions.

Elysiume posted:

One of my favorite things about the murderously fickle nature of the tenno is that one day a corpus drone could hear an alarm go off as infested flood into the ship. Suddenly, a squad of tenno tear past them, harming none of the corpus, but annihilating the infested. Tomorrow that corpus drone gets ripped in half by a tenno who came back because the Lotus decided it was right.

The best part is the grineer radio dude going "ugh, blade weapons...tenno skoom...yeah they're all dead mark this ship for repopulation" like we're just a force of nature, a fact of life for the grineer.

EDIT: I can just imagine them talking to the Arbiters and going "so you're going to GIVE us these drones? And you want us to use them to fight the tenno? And they're down for that?...okay I guess..."

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

Warframe used to make a lot more noise about "are the Tenno good... or AMORAL MERCENARIES?!"

It's mostly settled down into "yeah, no, they're basically folk heroes who gently caress up assholes and protect the weak."

I think it was a good choice imo. None of the other factions are morally grey enough to be called good or likable (DO YOU WANT THE DECAYING FASCIST EMPIRE OR THE HYPER-CAPITALIST SLAVERS OR THE HIVEMIND SUPERVIRUS??) so it made sense that DE made us ultimately good guys who occasionally dip into morally grey mercenary work. Otherwise you'd have the problem of and rear end in a top hat vs rear end in a top hat battle royale which is a surefire way to get the audience to not care about the outcome.

Seraphic Neoman fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Sep 24, 2019

FunkyFjord
Jul 18, 2004



The only way that could turn around is if we went about 'healing' the grineer, turned them good, and starting working with them.

Not only would that be a huge change but we've already very intentionally done the opposite.

Still we're definitely heroes to Cetus and Fortuna, I expect that to continue with any similar open world areas.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

FunkyFjord posted:

The only way that could turn around is if we went about 'healing' the grineer, turned them good, and starting working with them.

Not only would that be a huge change but we've already very intentionally done the opposite.

Still we're definitely heroes to Cetus and Fortuna, I expect that to continue with any similar open world areas.

Thanks to Steel Meridian, you can help the Grineer learn to care for ferns.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
While the scale of Warframe is off, the sheer posthumanity of the setting is not. You don’t get absurd anachronisms like the ruins of a 20th century human city, where the barns still stand and block laser fire, the ruins are far newer.

Zombeef
Feb 15, 2014

Kesper North posted:

Thanks to Steel Meridian, you can help the Grineer learn to care for ferns.

Between two ferns Grakatta

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


there's no official number on "canonical" tenno and probably never will be but given LATE GAME SPOILERS tenno are from a colony ship sent to populate an recently terraformed entire solar system I am of mind the number can be as high as you're willing to accept and millions+ doesn't seem unrealistic given the mission and what we can imagine orokin space ships are capable of. also in the duviri paradox trailer the zariman 10-0 looks pretty huge in the background

ProfessorCirno
Feb 17, 2011

The strongest! The smartest!
The rightest!
To be fair, the Tenno trying to be basic heroic good guys but getting really easily distracted by collecting new bullshit, and just being big goofballs who are also learning to play the guitar and just loving whirl jump and do acrobatics everywhere is ENTIRELY in line with them being just a big ol' bunch of dysfunctional anime teens

RoadCrewWorker
Nov 19, 2007

camels aren't so great

Avulsion posted:

The setting is a lot more absurd if you take everything literally, and I like it that way.
"4 incredibly gaudy bright-neon colored frames spotted racing through the ship, completely ignoring our troops attempting to engage in combat with them. Sometimes they stopped to aim a handscanner at something or spray holographic graffity. In under 180 seconds they casually overloaded the main reactor and were last seen playing the shawzin for about a minute. Similar reports from 23 consecutive other vessels in the vicinity."

RoadCrewWorker fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Sep 24, 2019

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

RoadCrewWorker posted:

"4 incredibly gaudy bright-neon colored frames spotted racing through the ship, completely ignoring our troops attempting to engage in combat with them. Sometimes they stopped to aim a handscanner at something or spray holographic graffity. In under 180 seconds they casually overloaded the main reactor and were last seen playing the shawzin for about a minute. Similar reports from 23 consecutive other vessels in the vicinity."

:cawg:


Unrelated:

Initial Nidus reaction: yuck.

Second Nidus reaction: no shields? :eek:

Third Nidus reaction: wait, this power just gets more powerful the more you use it? :unsmigghh:

Horace Kinch
Aug 15, 2007

Nidus is bae and this game needs more infested everything.

hazardousmouse
Dec 17, 2010
Anyone happen to know if the arby's buffs hit PS4 too? Or is it just PC thus far?

Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


prefect posted:

:cawg:


Unrelated:

Initial Nidus reaction: yuck.

Second Nidus reaction: no shields? :eek:

Third Nidus reaction: wait, this power just gets more powerful the more you use it? :unsmigghh:

Slot him with Rage (or equivalent) and just laugh and laugh as you are an immortal tentacle war crime.

Terry van Feleday
Jun 6, 2010

Free Your Mind

Raptor1033 posted:

Anyone happen to know if the arby's buffs hit PS4 too? Or is it just PC thus far?
Just PC so far.

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band
Atlas Prime: October 1st. (My telephone just told me that.)

Also, Tekko Prime and Dethcube Prime, with Deth Machine Rifle Prime.

Screaming Idiot
Nov 26, 2007

JUST POSTING WHILE JERKIN' MY GHERKIN SITTIN' IN A PERKINS!

BEATS SELLING MERKINS.
The Tenno are a cross between Power Rangers and Evangelion.

I also choose to believe Omni Voice's Perfectly Normal Weapon Reviews are absolutely canon.

Target Practice
Aug 20, 2004

Shit.

prefect posted:

Atlas Prime: October 1st. (My telephone just told me that.)

Also, Tekko Prime and Dethcube Prime, with Deth Machine Rifle Prime.

Is this when these become available?

Terbulus
Apr 7, 2009

New prime accessory pack includes a mod drop chance booster

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
Is there a rough breakdown of what I should be doing when? I picked this game back up, on PS4 this time so I'm starting over, and I figured I should do the quests in my codex until I got absolutely fuckin murdered on Fortuna

Pipski
Apr 18, 2004

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Is there a rough breakdown of what I should be doing when? I picked this game back up, on PS4 this time so I'm starting over, and I figured I should do the quests in my codex until I got absolutely fuckin murdered on Fortuna

honestly, leave the Fortuna and Cetus stuff until after you have unlocked the rest of the star chart. you'll be better equipped for it by then and enjoy it more. just unlock planets and do the other quests as you go, in the meantime.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Pipski posted:

honestly, leave the Fortuna and Cetus stuff until after you have unlocked the rest of the star chart. you'll be better equipped for it by then and enjoy it more. just unlock planets and do the other quests as you go, in the meantime.

It's incredibly stupid that a fortuna one is like, the third one to unlock then

Awesome!
Oct 17, 2008

Ready for adventure!


yes it unlocks very early for some reason. if something seems too hard just come back later.

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ElegantFugue
Jun 5, 2012

Focus on junction tasks first and foremost- they'll guide you through the basics and eventually start you down the path of story missions.
Feel free to hop back to Cetus and Fortuna now and then for a break if you wish, though- they've got missions for all levels of content. Just don't feel like you need to 100% (or even 20%) either open world map until much later on.


drat, Atlas Prime actually looks pretty cool. Enough that I'll regret continuing to use Atlas Deluxe and wishing I could use Atlas Prime as, like, a Rhino skin or something. Ah well. Looking forward to Being The Mountain But Better :black101:

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