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The hans twist is really making me want to eat some kind of German pretzel.
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Robindaybird posted:Honestly, if anything the Hans twist was a little too subtle - I'm not sure if I would've picked up the signs at all on a first watch if I hadn't already known the twist. Hans needed a chance to sing about his conflicted feelings.
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Sep 24, 2019 18:25
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Detective No. 27 posted:The hans twist is really making me want to eat some kind of German pretzel. i can only hope they're available at epcot
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Sep 24, 2019 18:25
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I don’t mind frozen (I don’t have kids) but the stone trolls just suck. They’re worse than the snowman and the fact that they’re back makes me not want to bother with this one either. They’re so lame.
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Sep 24, 2019 18:27
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The best Hans twist is when you find out he isn't a terrorist, he's just trying to steal a bunch of money.
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Sep 24, 2019 18:28
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Instead of that loving awful Troll song that scares me off from rewatching the movie there should have been a clear villain song for Hans. "Subtlety" doesn't cut it in a musical.
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Sep 24, 2019 18:45
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"Love is an open door" is transparently it, you just need to be cynical.
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Sep 24, 2019 18:59
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I'm way late to the party on this one, but I just started watching Mao Mao Heroes of pure heart and it's really good. A good mix of action, humor, and general cuteness and fun.
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Sep 24, 2019 19:09
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I've never minded the Hans Twist, however: King Candy Twist > Hans Twist
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Sep 24, 2019 19:57
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The Hans twist is fine because you have it and immediately after you have Olaf trying to keep Anna alive while he himself is dying and...that's not an act of true love because........... Also Frozen seems to be am example of literal whitewashing since I remember a lot of people promoting it as "the first Disney movir featuring 2 sisters and their struggles" and conveniently ignoring the existence of Lilo and Stitch
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Sep 24, 2019 20:22
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Andorra posted:Would the Hans twist be as bad if it didn't seem like every other disney movie nowadays has a villain twist? It's been like seven movies since Frozen, it seems weird to criticize a trend-setter for seeming less novel in the wake of a trend that it created.
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Sep 24, 2019 20:24
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Sleeveless posted:It's been like seven movies since Frozen, it seems weird to criticize a trend-setter for seeming less novel in the wake of a trend that it created. Didn't Shrek 2 basically do the same thing?
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Sep 24, 2019 20:33
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Sleeveless posted:It's been like seven movies since Frozen, it seems weird to criticize a trend-setter for seeming less novel in the wake of a trend that it created. I have no opinion one way or another about the Hans twist, but it's super common for pieces of media that started at the time novel trends to become criticized once those trends become cliche. It's kind of like how Seinfeld started out as this huge fresh thing, then every other show copied what it was doing and now if you go back and watch it feels like a knock off of other stuff you've already seen even though it was actually the first one to do that stuff. Basically, when people get sick of a trend they don't care who started it and blame all examples of that trend equally.
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Sep 24, 2019 20:48
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Instead of that loving awful Troll song that scares me off from rewatching the movie there should have been a clear villain song for Hans. "Subtlety" doesn't cut it in a musical. They actually wrote this song, but they cut it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk8VnQifCxA
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Sep 24, 2019 21:10
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Sleeveless posted:It's been like seven movies since Frozen, it seems weird to criticize a trend-setter for seeming less novel in the wake of a trend that it created. Both Toy Story 2 and Monsters Inc had that twist with Pete and the Spider guy. There are probably more that I'm missing. The problem that people have with the Hans twist is that it felt unnecessary. Like it was done purely to fill out the villain checkbox. My cousin didn't like the movie much at all and preferred Tangled, but I can't recall the details. In any case, seeming nice guy turns out villain is not something that started with Frozen.
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Sep 24, 2019 21:32
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I'm way late to the party on this one, but I just started watching Mao Mao Heroes of pure heart and it's really good. A good mix of action, humor, and general cuteness and fun. Same, it’s fantastic. Badgerclops is my hero
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Sep 24, 2019 22:13
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Not every story needs a twist villain but to have it be the love-at-first-sight prince absolutely was an untapped one in the Disney canon.
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Sep 24, 2019 22:43
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I don’t mind the Hans twist, but that smirk when he first meets Anna is cheating. It’s a genuine smile of affection when she isn’t around, and leaving it in only serves to bait and switch the audience. A good twist leaves a trail of breadcrumbs for you to go back and find later That smile is just a straight up lie to divert attention.
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Sep 25, 2019 04:30
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dirksteadfast posted:I don’t mind the Hans twist, but that smirk when he first meets Anna is cheating. It’s a genuine smile of affection when she isn’t around, and leaving it in only serves to bait and switch the audience. A good twist leaves a trail of breadcrumbs for you to go back and find later That smile is just a straight up lie to divert attention. I think that's the issue people had. That they realized that they lacked a villain so they retroactively made him one and reworked the later parts, but not the early ones hence the clumsy feel of it.
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Sep 25, 2019 05:14
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He doesn't dislike her, though. He didn't intend to murder her until that situation became auspicious far later on.
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Sep 25, 2019 05:39
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Pick posted:He doesn't dislike her, though. He didn't intend to murder her until that situation became auspicious far later on. Everything you show on the screen matters though. By stopping and showing that smirk, the filmmakers are saying “This is important, look at this.” To show that and then just not address it in any way later is sloppy and deceptive. I don’t mind it in terms of his characterization. It’s the whole “film language” angle that bothers me.
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Sep 26, 2019 01:01
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I remember Elsa telling Anna after Love is an Open Door that she can't just marry someone "she just met" and that is the biggest clue something is wrong with Hans I mean even the song ended with "let's get married!" "yes!" how is that not foreshadowing he's prince bad news
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Sep 26, 2019 01:55
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8zYrt0c8O4
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Sep 26, 2019 04:59
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The ending song for Casper is actually awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze06wpIr_Y4 edit: I don't know how Casper was received back in the day by critics, or if it's fondly remembered at all, but gently caress I love that drat movie
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Sep 26, 2019 05:02
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n16GRRRxpgA who cares about critics, Casper is a legitimately solid film
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Sep 26, 2019 05:17
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EU1eS2Q4wQ
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Sep 26, 2019 05:27
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I vaguely remember Casper for the Ghostbusters cameo that's the actual Ray and the resurrection machine, and Casper's non Did they ever mention how the whole family died
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Sep 26, 2019 08:10
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I vaguely remember Casper for the Ghostbusters cameo that's the actual Ray and the resurrection machine, and Casper's non If I recall correctly the movie said Casper apparently died of frostbite as a child but I don't think it's ever mentioned how his uncles went out.
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Sep 26, 2019 10:44
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Hypothermia, and there's no mention of the uncles, or even if they're actually his uncles.
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Sep 26, 2019 15:14
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Pretty sure the movie implies he specifically died of pneumonia after playing out in the cold for too long, since he says he got cold, then he got sick. I think Casper does refer to them as his uncles at one point in the movie? It never goes into their backstory at all though. Watching clips of the movie, the ghosts hold up surprisingly well, even if the animations are way more stiff than you'd find nowadays. I think because they are see through it doesn't come across as rough as it could. They also made the correct choice and made the ghost cartoony instead of making them realistic. If this was a modern Casper remake they'd try to go on the side of realistic with everyone and it wouldn't work. Macaluso fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Sep 26, 2019 |
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Sep 26, 2019 15:26
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 : If you scream, you'll wake up my uncles, and they get awfully cranky.
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Sep 26, 2019 15:29
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Macaluso posted:Pretty sure the movie implies he specifically died of pneumonia after playing out in the cold for too long, since he says he got cold, then he got sick. The movie doesn't imply that, it says that extremely directly. Like, they literally have Casper give a speech about how he died: https://youtu.be/WMWI2FTLbhg?t=35
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Sep 26, 2019 17:00
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I didn't mind the Hans twist until they released that book about his childhood that was rife with abuse and neglect, then it was just sad 
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Sep 27, 2019 08:11
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Macaluso posted:Pretty sure the movie implies he specifically died of pneumonia after playing out in the cold for too long, since he says he got cold, then he got sick. Yeah, it's surprising in retrospect that Casper and his uncles basically have more or less exactly their comic designs just in 3D. And while most Casper media glosses over where he came from, there's actually a lot of room for pathos in, well, not doing so, especially since it's less in vogue for media to relentlessly condescend to them now. I presume the uncles ate and/or drank themselves to death.
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Sep 27, 2019 08:20
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Larryb posted:As a result it's also one of the few (but not the only if I recall correctly) adaptions of the story where the Ghost of Christmas Future actually talks. There was also a Beavis and Butt-Head Christmas episode with Buzzcut as the Ghost of Christmas Future.
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Sep 27, 2019 12:43
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HERE LIES BEAVIS HE NEVER SCORED
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Sep 27, 2019 13:25
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Casper was pretty good and I bet it holds up well. Who the hell had the awful idea to give Saban the follow ups though?
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Sep 27, 2019 14:11
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Vandar posted:Casper was pretty good and I bet it holds up well. I seem to remember the cartoon they made based on the movie story being ok though.
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Sep 27, 2019 14:16
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Larryb posted:I seem to remember the cartoon they made based on the movie story being ok though. I had forgotten about the cartoon. I remember enjoying it pretty well.
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Larryb posted:I seem to remember the cartoon they made based on the movie story being ok though. I mean, I imagine casper translates pretty well to being a cartoon and all.
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