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Serf posted:the democrats aren't worth a poo poo. i vote for them regardless but i can't blame anyone who doesn't want to vote at all. when the people representing you are corporate stooges who live to serve rich people while your life just keeps getting shittier, there's not much reason to participate Thats why Sanders and Corbyn in their respective countries, people who by most accounts have been lifelong and self-avowed socialists even when it wasn't politically expedient to name themselves as such, are adored by working class voters in the midwest/south-east.
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a neurotic ai posted:Thats why Sanders and Corbyn in their respective countries, people who by most accounts have been lifelong and self-avowed socialists even when it wasn't politically expedient to name themselves as such, are adored by working class voters in the midwest/south-east. yes, true. too bad bernie didn't get nominated last time
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https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1176481819170103296?s=20quote:“Democrats are becoming way too extreme,” Shaun Majors, a 42-year-old high school graduate who has worked at the nearby Beaver Valley Power Station for almost his entire adult life, said before last week’s event began. “I voted for Trump last time, and I would again.”
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Sep 24, 2019 14:08
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J.A.B.C. posted:I was about to say... WV voted for a democrat governor in 2016 He immediately switched to the republican party op.
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Sep 24, 2019 14:20
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Tashilicious posted:Isn't just voting literally the least effort you can do that brings about the least change? Sure, voting is important in a properly open society but doing nothing else except voting every four years is ineffectual to do anything for meaningful change. It should be "Vote, and also organise and make community activism a thing" yeah it's the essentially-nothing people who do nothing can get all huffy and self-righteous about. Also if you actually organize in your community you know it's excruciatingly slow and dull and it takes years of work to start to see results for even the smallest thing like "I want a park that doesn't give kids tetanus", let alone anything bigger where you're being fought every step of the way by people with immeasurably more resources than you. Small wonder people barely getting through the day often don't have the energy to go at it fulltime (it's because the stupid proles are content with their lot in life like the cattle they are, and everything they do is about upsetting you personally)
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Sep 24, 2019 14:35
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Democrats are very good at being the party Republicans say they are. Pro business, pro growth, gradual conservative acceptance of new ideas after they prove themselves, budget hawkery.
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Sep 24, 2019 14:37
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lmao this really is our last chance and if we don’t get bernie we’ll get a candidate who transforms into a pumpkin in office just like obama. yes all the other ones. lol we are sooooooo fuckin screwed hahaha
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Sep 24, 2019 14:53
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ikanreed posted:Democrats are very good at being the party Republicans say they are. Pro business, pro growth, gradual conservative acceptance of new ideas after they prove themselves, budget hawkery. Both parties are very much pro-Capitalism. The differences are regulation. It's not worth pushing anything else at this point, Capitalism and technology advancement are incompatible.
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Sep 24, 2019 14:56
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Philthy posted:Both parties are very much pro-Capitalism. The differences are regulation. Being the party Republicans say they are loving sucks
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normal people are not energized by the sort of "pro-business" poo poo the democrats preach. most people do not entertain the idea of being a small business owner, which takes a certain kind of psychopathy to accomplish. most people are resigned to being a powerless cog in a machine, and they don't want to hear about how you're going to make the machine prettier or faster or whatever. people do love it when bernie sanders calls out the waltons and jeff bezos etc because everybody hates rich people
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The best argument for gun control is a five-minute conversation with the average white gun owner
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It's Bernie, Bitch
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ikanreed posted:Being the party Republicans say they are loving sucks Yep, it does. But in the end we're in the middle of an automation revolution that will only end with no actual "jobs". Everyone will be pulled kicking and screaming into a Socialist society whether they want it or not. So let it just happen. A world wide disaster that causes a reset would still only delay the inevitable. The most we can do at this point is just try and make life as good as possible with what we currently have without being assholes, which is where regulation steps in. One party wants perceived accountability, another is gently caress you got mine.
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Philthy posted:Yep, it does. But in the end we're in the middle of an automation revolution that will only end with no actual "jobs". Everyone will be pulled kicking and screaming into a Socialist society whether they want it or not. Nope. Neofeudal for sure.
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Philthy posted:Yep, it does. But in the end we're in the middle of an automation revolution that will only end with no actual "jobs". Everyone will be pulled kicking and screaming into a Socialist society whether they want it or not. So let it just happen. A world wide disaster that causes a reset would still only delay the inevitable. The most we can do at this point is just try and make life as good as possible with what we currently have without being assholes, which is where regulation steps in. One party wants perceived accountability, another is gently caress you got mine. you're overlooking the future where the capitalists use the robots to murder the rest of us and rule over the rising waters from the comfort of their bunkers
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Sep 24, 2019 16:15
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Serf posted:you're overlooking the future where the capitalists use the robots to murder the rest of us and rule over the rising waters from the comfort of their bunkers Our only hope when that happens is to somehow get the owners to kill eachother, but foreverwar death drones are our own future writ large
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ikanreed posted:Our only hope when that happens is to somehow get the owners to kill eachother, but foreverwar death drones are our own future writ large well we could just revolution faster and avoid the future that is terminator but skynet is jeff bezos
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the US oligarchy has been explicitly clear since the end of WW2 that they are able and willing to exterminate the entire human race rather than loose their hold over it, and whether they themselves survive the apocalypse is more or less a secondary consideration.
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Sep 24, 2019 16:19
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lmao, literally "we asked dedicated Trump voters what they think about the Dems" what single person would be stupid enough to waste a single second worrying about what these fuckers think lmao
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Sep 24, 2019 16:51
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I'm so goddamned sick of these chud safaris that platform chuds even though it's about Dem priorities, I think between every single one of these kinds of articles they've interviewed maybe 2 people who weren't white Republican retirees, and even then probably because they were a pro-Trump minority
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Epic High Five posted:I'm so goddamned sick of these chud safaris that platform chuds even though it's about Dem priorities, I think between every single one of these kinds of articles they've interviewed maybe 2 people who weren't white Republican retirees, and even then probably because they were a pro-Trump minority Hell, half the time they're literally paid Republican staffers
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*Way too far left and extreme!* they foam at the mouth, describing a party that could best be described as right of center corporate assholes in the rest of the world.
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Epic High Five posted:I'm so goddamned sick of these chud safaris that platform chuds even though it's about Dem priorities, I think between every single one of these kinds of articles they've interviewed maybe 2 people who weren't white Republican retirees, and even then probably because they were a pro-Trump minority look if you want to find a working-class voice on the street guy to say all the things establishment reporters believe but find it socially awkward to own up to you only have a few wells to draw from
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TotalLossBrain posted:*Way too far left and extreme!* they foam at the mouth, describing a party that could best be described as right of center corporate assholes in the rest of the world. I find the following chart explains the nature of the overton window and expectations as they are in the US outside of the "better things are possible" lunatic fringes: 
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Epic High Five posted:I'm so goddamned sick of these chud safaris that platform chuds even though it's about Dem priorities, I think between every single one of these kinds of articles they've interviewed maybe 2 people who weren't white Republican retirees, and even then probably because they were a pro-Trump minority *He says he'll vote Republican
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Ahaha they both do the tie-down-to-the-floor thing.
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Epic High Five posted:lmao, literally "we asked dedicated Trump voters what they think about the Dems" Seriously - why the gently caress is the only voter anyone is supposed to care about rural whites who loving love Trump? They love Trump so guess what they're going to loving vote for Trump because he's just as Trumpy as he ever was and they love that poo poo. Biden could plan to build a wall twice as tall as Trump and they'd still loving hate him.
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74 year old white men who voted for Trump: "I will vote for Trump, I think the dems are gonna take my guns" Newspapers: "this is important to tell to everyone"
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haven't dredged these in awhile https://twitter.com/Mikeyyevtuck/status/1176350619101216770 https://twitter.com/BirKnowsA11/status/1171240617910984704 so so many of these https://twitter.com/RJanusek/status/1175442940208058368 https://twitter.com/wjnason/status/1173736530537566208 https://twitter.com/MandieMW/status/1174489192052772865 https://twitter.com/AllisonA17/status/1174279414554746881 lol gj twitter https://twitter.com/Njdprop/status/1175789732573302785
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You can't cut back on juice! You will regret this!
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lmao thinking that voting for trump and republicans does not make you just as complicit in "baby killing"
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BraveUlysses posted:lmao thinking that voting for trump and republicans does not make you just as complicit in "baby killing" they don’t care about brown babies
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MunchE posted:Seriously - why the gently caress is the only voter anyone is supposed to care about rural whites who loving love Trump? They love Trump so guess what they're going to loving vote for Trump because he's just as Trumpy as he ever was and they love that poo poo. Biden could plan to build a wall twice as tall as Trump and they'd still loving hate him. the commentariat and their "taking orders from the rich" editors are the ones driving this, and it's obvious at this point that they'd much rather pretend some millionaire local Republican leader is an unaffiliated blue collar worker than actually interview people who actually vote for Dems. Why go to places where gross poor people live when you could instead just write what you already "know" to be true in the comfort of somebody's huge house with expensive furniture and japanese whiskeys?
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like most of the ones churning all these pieces out literally have a stable of people they contact for quotes that are all affluent, conservative retirees any time one of them veers into actual voters the people running it end up having an existential crisis as they realize nobody in the real world thinks the insider politics worldview is smart or correct, that Third Way safari ended up being like this and they still ran a report on it that said all the stuff they agreed, like finding the 3 people who said they want to see charter schools expanded and how regulations are killing the markets. No space at all was given to the overwhelming majority of people who said stuff like how they don't want to come together and they think the Republicans and the rich are out to destroy the world and the Dems are merrily cashing checks for rubberstamps
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