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Flesh Forge posted:More to the point, if they let Trump get away with this then it will become the standard thing to do for every major political office holder going forward and (In W Bush's case he had domestic help instead, in the form of his brother JEB!)
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Cerebral Bore posted:Extremely strong leadership to refuse to do the right thing until forced to do so by outside pressure. and yet she was elected not by the people but by the representatives so what does that tell you?
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lol called it like an hour ago.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Also the funny thing here is that for loving years now the line has been that Nancy Pelosi must be the top Dem in the House because she's some kind of iron disciplinarian who always gets the caucus to vote as she likes, until it turned out that this was a massive lie and now we're supposed to accept that she's just this hapless little old lady who obviously has to slavishly follow the whims of her caucus. Yeah I've noticed this too, we can't afford to replace Nancy Pelosi because she's a five-star political general with iron control over her caucus, unless that's inconvenient for the narrative in which case she's helpless flotsam swept this way and that by the untameable tides of the whims of her political coalition and can't be blamed for anything she does because she has no agency or leadership qualities whatsoever. But we can't afford to lose those leadership qualities that she...definitely doesn't possess when we need her to not possess them.
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eke out posted:the point is that federal judges will throw you in jail (and order awful fines) when you don't do what they say and they have a frankly stupid amount of power to do that Yeah e.g. "imprisoned until you comply with this court order" which is open ended, and has basically no recourse.
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So this means one of what, four things? 1. Somehow the call actually isn't bad. 2. The call is horrific but Trump thinks he can ride the wave. 3. The transcript is edited. 4. The transcript has just enough wink wink nudge nudge for republicans to hold their tongues. I'm erring on the last, but #2 is peak.
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Sep 24, 2019 19:19
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bird cooch posted:and yet she was elected not by the people but by the representatives so what does that tell you? that the rot in the party goes deeper than her?
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Caros posted:So this means one of what, four things? 5. It's of a different call 6. He backs off on releasing it because of spurious reasons like "Democrats/the press were mean to me"
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I'm going with #3 Or wild card, it's the transcript of a different call.
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VitalSigns posted:that the rot in the party goes deeper than her? Might want to go ahead and check on who voted for her.
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Caros posted:So this means one of what, four things? The call is probably bad, but not definitive. The call was only a portion of the larger whistleblower's complaint, and the withholding of that complaint is a criminal act by Trump, even if he releases a small portion of it
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https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1176561477731409920 EDIT: Yikes https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1176560041463341057 Dick Trauma fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Sep 24, 2019 |
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Sep 24, 2019 19:21
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Doesn’t the complaint possibly entail multiple interactions?
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Caros posted:So this means one of what, four things? There are multiple transcripts and they're going to release the least-damning one. Also they could just alter it, and no one has the info to challenge them (yet). They've altered official transcripts already in the past. edit ya I guess that's covered in #3
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bird cooch posted:I'm going with #3 Yeah, some googling says that there could have been multiple calls, so I'd totally buy them releasing a comparatively innocent call to try and get out from under it.
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah I've noticed this too, we can't afford to replace Nancy Pelosi because she's a five-star political general with iron control over her caucus, unless that's inconvenient for the narrative in which case she's helpless flotsam swept this way and that by the untameable tides of the whims of her political coalition and can't be blamed for anything she does because she has no agency or leadership qualities whatsoever. Nobody is making that argument anymore
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bird cooch posted:and yet she was elected not by the people but by the representatives so what does that tell you? That the Dems value seniority over actual talent.
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https://twitter.com/AlexThomasDC/status/1176558849303699458 https://twitter.com/AlexThomasDC/status/1176560262444453888
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If you guys haven't read it yet, I'd suggest reading Woodward and Bernstein's follow up book, The Final Days, which covers the impeachment and eventual resignation of Nixon. I think we're gonna see a lot of similar poo poo from back then as Trump as fights to control the message and control the information he releases
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Like, legally he can't withhold the whistleblower report, correct?
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Trump's approval rating is the highest on 538 it's been since October of last year, what happened cause all the news for him continues to look bad on the surface?
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Kerning Chameleon posted:Trump's approval rating is the highest on 538 it's been since October of last year, what happened cause all the news for him continues to look bad on the surface?
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The Glumslinger posted:If you guys haven't read it yet, I'd suggest reading Woodward and Bernstein's follow up book, The Final Days, which covers the impeachment and eventual resignation of Nixon. I think we're gonna see a lot of similar poo poo from back then as Trump as fights to control the message and control the information he releases Only difference is I'm not going to feel any sort of sympathy for Trump when it all finally collapses around him.
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Bottom Liner posted:SQUAD (never in a million years but we can dream) I mean all of them but Omar are on the Oversight committee so I'd be shocked if none were on there
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There were multiple calls though
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:https://twitter.com/AlexThomasDC/status/1176558849303699458 oh so nadler wanted it? if he thinks he'd be good for it i think i'd rather have it in judiciary then, but we'll see what this committee looks like if it happens
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Caros posted:So this means one of what, four things? I think he actually wants to be impeached because it will fire up his base and he thinks that will get him reelected, and he is deeply delusional and thinks he is more secretly popular than he is He also does not realize the utter shitstorm all of the investigations will turn up
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Cerebral Bore posted:Extremely strong leadership to refuse to do the right thing until forced to do so by outside pressure. The funny thing here is you think anyone is at all who follows politics thinks she's the Iron Lady of the House anymore and think this is a smart political insight. Literally everyone abandoned that about 6mos into her current run as Speaker, maybe earlier.
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Google Butt posted:Like, legally he can't withhold the whistleblower report, correct? Legally? No. Can he? Yes, because he's surrounded himself with people that won't do poo poo to him if he does withhold it.
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bird cooch posted:Or wild card, it's the transcript of a different call. 
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Google Butt posted:Like, legally he can't withhold the whistleblower report, correct? Laws are only relevant if those tasked to enforce them actually do.
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Google Butt posted:Like, legally he can't withhold the whistleblower report, correct? Legally he can't withhold his taxes but we are like... Six months into mnuchin flipping Congress the bird. If he wants to run out the clock he can pull a Nixon and refuse to turn over evidence, making them go to court to get it., though that didn't work out well for Nixon.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:oh so nadler wanted it? if he thinks he'd be good for it i think i'd rather have it in judiciary then, but we'll see what this committee looks like if it happens Schiff is fine, as well. And putting Pressly sounds great. I'm also a bit skeptical at all this being broken by Playboy's reporter
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theflyingorc posted:Nobody is making that argument anymore Jaxyon posted:The funny thing here is you think anyone is at all who follows politics thinks she's the Iron Lady of the House anymore and think this is a smart political insight. Correct, because you can't do that anymore because it demands too much ignoring of reality even for the most dyed in the wool Dem fanboy. Still, given that you lot kept repeating it for years, what does that say about your political judgement?
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Cerebral Bore posted:Correct, because you can't do that anymore because it demands too much ignoring of reality even for the most dyed in the wool Dem fanboy. Still, given that you lot kept repeating it for years, what does that say about your political judgement? I don't know, but badposting about your forum enemies hardly seems to be an improvement.
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My guess is he's going to say hes releasing them and then change his mind
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TulliusCicero posted:I think he actually wants to be impeached because it will fire up his base and he thinks that will get him reelected, and he is deeply delusional and thinks he is more secretly popular than he is Trump does not assess risk the way normal humans do and never has. This is super obvious throughout his business history, he convinces himself that he wins no matter how badly he gets wrecked.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:My guess is he's going to say hes releasing them and then change his mind Flesh Forge posted:Trump does not assess risk the way normal humans do and never has. This is super obvious throughout his business history, he convinces himself that he wins no matter how badly he gets wrecked.
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