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TulliusCicero posted:Just https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1067431464524869633
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Retro42 posted:He’s trying to kill support within the Dem party by taking the whistleblower report off the table. Which won't stop anything, we already know Pelosi's support isn't conditional to the report being released thankfully.
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Sep 24, 2019 21:02
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Solkanar512 posted:So they end up passing it, it's just a resolution with no actual power right? What does McConnell expect will change? That or McConnell believes they can survive a trump impeachment with pence
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Sep 24, 2019 21:02
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What if the Whistleblower Report is not that damaging and thats why McConnell is willing to release it? Excuse me I haven’t been closely following Ukraine Gate before things blew up the last couple days. Do we know the accusations of the quid pro quo are legit?
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Sep 24, 2019 21:02
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What if the Whistleblower Report is not that damaging and thats why McConnell is willing to release it? Excuse me I haven’t been closely following Ukraine Gate before things blew up the last couple days. Do we know the accusations of the quid pro quo are legit? It was toxic enough that both the dni and his vice resigned
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Sep 24, 2019 21:03
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What if the Whistleblower Report is not that damaging and thats why McConnell is willing to release it? Excuse me I haven’t been closely following Ukraine Gate before things blew up the last couple days. Do we know the accusations of the quid pro quo are legit? Pelosi apparently doesn't believe quid pro quo is necessary and that simply asking for interference is enough, so it doesn't matter.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What if the Whistleblower Report is not that damaging and thats why McConnell is willing to release it? Excuse me I haven’t been closely following Ukraine Gate before things blew up the last couple days. Do we know the accusations of the quid pro quo are legit? In a legal sense, what is in that report is irrelevant. It's the cover up, not the crime, that is the issue
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Sep 24, 2019 21:04
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Retro42 posted:He’s trying to kill support within the Dem party by taking the whistleblower report off the table. So it ends up revealing that Trump did some incredibly sketchy poo poo that is also impeachable. If this is just a hail mary then ok I guess, but there's no loving way the water gets held back once the dam has broken. And like above have mentioned, there was already a coverup.
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Sep 24, 2019 21:04
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Solkanar512 posted:So they end up passing it, it's just a resolution with no actual power right? What does McConnell expect will change? apparently it just means sending the resolution to all senators to find out if someone's gonna object and doesn't mean mitch is gonna do it https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1176585212945424385
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What if the Whistleblower Report is not that damaging and thats why McConnell is willing to release it? Excuse me I haven’t been closely following Ukraine Gate before things blew up the last couple days. Do we know the accusations of the quid pro quo are legit? That they’ve stonewalled thus far is a sign it’s not great?
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it's like with russia now. if he never tried to collude it doesn't matter anymore since he attempted to obstruct at least ten times.
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Sep 24, 2019 21:05
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What if the Whistleblower Report is not that damaging and thats why McConnell is willing to release it? Excuse me I haven’t been closely following Ukraine Gate before things blew up the last couple days. Do we know the accusations of the quid pro quo are legit? I'm not sure the acting DNI would be committing a crime by denying Congress access to it if it wasn't damning. Regardless, impeachment should be proceeding based on the white houses direction of the acting DNI to suppress the report anyhow. It's a crime, the white house is obviously directing the acting DNI to suppress it.
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Sep 24, 2019 21:06
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Scott Forstall posted:That they’ve stonewalled thus far is a sign it’s not great? I just keep thinking that McConnell expects the same reaction to this report as the Mueller report. Its "public knowledge" but no one actually reads it and just yells partisan 'interpretations' to support Trump.
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Sep 24, 2019 21:06
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Lmao I just realized Mitt is gonna have to vote to acquit, I am deceased
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Sep 24, 2019 21:07
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I’m just worried that the public is too stupid to treat obstruction with the seriousness it deserves if there wasn’t a worse underlying crime in flashing neon lights.
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mdemone posted:Lmao I just realized Mitt is gonna have to vote to acquit, I am deceased I wonder if any republicans get hall passes on this one.
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Sep 24, 2019 21:08
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:the way this got squishy dems onboard is really, really funny Unfortunately due to the executive powers and his ability to run roughshod over the supreme Court there hasn't really been a lot of impeachable offenses that are clear-cut in all of that horrible mess
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Sep 24, 2019 21:08
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What if the Whistleblower Report is not that damaging and thats why McConnell is willing to release it? Excuse me I haven’t been closely following Ukraine Gate before things blew up the last couple days. Do we know the accusations of the quid pro quo are legit? the report was bad enough that (a) a TRUMP APPOINTEE deemed it serious enough to require it be released to congress; (b) it was serious enough that the Bill Barr Coverup Machine swung into action; and (c) people involved in the whistleblowing promptly started leaking details to the press to up the ante on the attempts to cover it up (c) is the big thing motivating the drip drip disclosure from the white house: the need to try to get ahead of the report getting leaked in full
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I’m just worried that the public is too stupid to treat obstruction with the seriousness it deserves if there wasn’t a worse underlying crime in flashing neon lights. I mean, Clinton was impeached over lying about something that wasn't even a crime. Gross as poo poo, yes, but not a crime.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I’m just worried that the public is too stupid to treat obstruction with the seriousness it deserves if there wasn’t a worse underlying crime in flashing neon lights. Good news, trump and giuliani already admitted to the flashing neon crime on live tv. If it's not enough, nothing ever will be. evilweasel posted:the report was bad enough that (a) a TRUMP APPOINTEE deemed it serious enough to require it be released to congress; (b) it was serious enough that the Bill Barr Coverup Machine swung into action; and (c) people involved in the whistleblowing promptly started leaking details to the press to up the ante on the attempts to cover it up Welcome.. back?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What if the Whistleblower Report is not that damaging and thats why McConnell is willing to release it? Excuse me I haven’t been closely following Ukraine Gate before things blew up the last couple days. Do we know the accusations of the quid pro quo are legit? which of the accusations? the Biden part of it appears to be on the level of "i smoked marijuana but did not inhale": probably technically legal, but also incredibly transparent rear end-covering for a blatant lie. whom amongst us does not have a crack-addict relative who gets hired out of the blue by a Ukranian oil and gas company around the time our dad's administration starts lookin' real hard at them. the Trump part of it looks very legit from what we have of it but we don't have a tape or anything
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I’m just worried that the public is too stupid to treat obstruction with the seriousness it deserves if there wasn’t a worse underlying crime in flashing neon lights. I could not possibly give less of a gently caress what the public thinks. I just want to see the mycrimes.txt
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So I've said this off an on for about three years now. Establishment dems won't act for the good of their constituents or in any way that takes courage or leadership. But they will be motivated by craven grabs for power.
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Sep 24, 2019 21:09
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mdemone posted:Lmao I just realized Mitt is gonna have to vote to acquit, I am deceased Can't McConnell just sit on anything and not even have to have a vote?
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Sep 24, 2019 21:10
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Sulphagnist posted:This is gonna be a hell of a day for the history books if Pelosi pulls the trigger on impeachment given that the Supreme Court in the UK thoroughly bitchslapped Boris Johnson earlier. It's like the timeline is starting to revert to the proper one finally
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Sep 24, 2019 21:11
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Midgetskydiver posted:Can't McConnell just sit on anything and not even have to have a vote? He can’t stall a vote after impeachment I believe.
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TulliusCicero posted:It's like the timeline is starting to revert to the proper one finally Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
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Sep 24, 2019 21:12
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Midgetskydiver posted:Can't McConnell just sit on anything and not even have to have a vote? This is one of the known-unknowns. Some lawgoons say yes, some say no, the real answer is that we are in the "here be dragons" part of the map
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Sep 24, 2019 21:12
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FizFashizzle posted:I wonder if any republicans get hall passes on this one. And be on record of wanting to impeach the God emperor? That's one way to invite accusations of being a RINO and get a primary challenge.
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Sep 24, 2019 21:12
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FizFashizzle posted:I wonder if any republicans get hall passes on this one. 17 of 'em.
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CuddleCryptid posted:I mean, Clinton was impeached over lying about something that wasn't even a crime. Gross as poo poo, yes, but not a crime. Yeah, but it was also a thing that was easily understood by the public.
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Republicans won’t allow Dems the optics of a “bipartisan” support for impeachment. There will be no hall passes.
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Sep 24, 2019 21:14
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Midgetskydiver posted:Can't McConnell just sit on anything and not even have to have a vote? https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/SMAN-113/pdf/SMAN-113.pdf page 223 has a lot of rules that look mandatory but who knows how much that means quote:RULES OF PROCEDURE AND PRACTICE IN
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:He can’t stall a vote after impeachment I believe. Why not? I intend that as an earnest question. If the vote falls into his domain to execute (like, let's say, voting on a SC nomination), what stops him from just not bringing it?
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Sep 24, 2019 21:15
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Wait, what? I just got here, Is impeachment actually happening? Are the dems actually doing something?
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mdemone posted:This is one of the known-unknowns. Some lawgoons say yes, some say no, the real answer is that we are in the "here be dragons" part of the map Given that McConnell has perfected the art of taking any possible constitutional ambiguity and fully weaponizing it for evil, I'm going with "yes he can stall an impeachment vote indefinitely" What are the Democrats going to do if he does? It took them 18 months to finally admit that Trump should be impeached for one of the 50 loving felonies he's openly committed in office.
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TulliusCicero posted:It's like the timeline is starting to revert to the proper one finally
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Wait, what? I just got here, Is impeachment actually happening? Are the dems actually doing something? Sure seems like it! Pelosi's set to speak in 45 minutes.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Wait, what? I just got here, Is impeachment actually happening? Are the dems actually doing something? Not yet. What we have so far is "Pelosi to announce a formal impeachment inquiry." She can still drag her heels and stall the clock for plenty of time until the next election.
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