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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Republicans won’t allow Dems the optics of a “bipartisan” support for impeachment. There will be no hall passes. mcconnell doesn't have the power to give hall passes or to force anyone to do anything the calculus that each republican will be looking at is: 1) guilty verdict: pisses off some amount of the base who will refuse to vote and/or gets you primaried 2) not guilty verdict: pisses off some amount of the "pursuadable" people who voted for them last time what mitch thinks doesn't mean poo poo, they care about how many people they think are in each category above. for most republicans, they don't need anyone from #2 and its an easy not-guity. for collins/gardener, they may be in a no-win situation if and only if the impeachment gets traction with the public
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McConnell will not bring it to the floor. He will name his new rule after a Democrat.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Republicans won’t allow Dems the optics of a “bipartisan” support for impeachment. There will be no hall passes. What, are they going to withdraw NRSC support from Collins and Gardner? They're on the razor's edge as it is.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:the way this got squishy dems onboard is really, really funny Like the Dems have been poo poo about impeachment, but it seems disingenuous to suggest that they only care this time because a politician's relative happened to be tangentially involved in the situtation.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Wait, what? I just got here, Is impeachment actually happening? Are the dems actually doing something? We can pretty much guarantee that the impeachment will last through the house. However the Senate is still a hell of a mountain to climb. The best we can probably hope for is a solid record of republicans voting against obvious crimes. This will basically be a tug of war between the right's dedication to the party vs their dedication to their own self interest. There is the idea that impeachment inquiries will make people actually listen to subpoenas but we have no idea what will happen there
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Wait, what? I just got here, Is impeachment actually happening? Are the dems actually doing something? dems are doing something because it looks like trump got caught in brazen crimes and failed at the coverup, crimes that specifically they think might gain traction with the public they'll move forward with impeachment if it gains traction with the public and quietly drop it if not, but pelosi is moving because the crimes are serious enough the people in swing districts (the ones she needs to keep a majority) swung hard with these revalations
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Flip Yr Wig posted:What, are they going to withdraw NRSC support from Collins and Gardner? They're on the razor's edge as it is. Shocked Collins hasn’t announced her retirement yet. Everything I’ve seen is that polling is looking ugly for her.
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Sundae posted:Why not? 'Shall' is constitutional speak for 'must'
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Rolabi Wizenard posted:McConnell will not bring it to the floor. He will name his new rule after a Democrat. if i had to bet, i would bet that he instead immediately moves it to a vote and doesn't let the senate debate the impeachment at all, rather than just refusing to do anything however, there is one constitutional quirk that i have not seen discussed anywhere (doesn't mean it hasn't, I just have not seen it): under the constitution, during an impeachment trial, mitch may not be in charge quote:6: The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present. now, that means that Justice Roberts replaces Pence as presiding officer of the Senate (rather than Mitch, who is not an officer identified by the Constitution) but i wonder to what extent that means that Justice Roberts is now in charge of how the trial happens
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If McConnel refuses to bring impeachment to a Senate vote then Trump can never go on a victory lap about how he was declared innocent.
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bird cooch posted:'Shall' is constitutional speak for 'must'
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:If McConnel refuses to bring impeachment to a Senate vote then Trump can never go on a victory lap about how he was declared innocent. just watch him
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Sundae posted:Not yet. What we have so far is "Pelosi to announce a formal impeachment inquiry." She can still drag her heels and stall the clock for plenty of time until the next election. The inquiry is what we wanted. The actual vote is nice, but the inquiry was the part we all thought was them wasting an opportunity.
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evilweasel posted:if i had to bet, i would bet that he instead immediately moves it to a vote and doesn't let the senate debate the impeachment at all, rather than just refusing to do anything One snag is that the senate sets the rules of procedure for the trial. So they could hold one but provide for hardly any opportunity to present evidence
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:If McConnel refuses to bring impeachment to a Senate vote then Trump can never go on a victory lap about how he was declared innocent. trump went on a victory lap about how a written report exonerated him when it specifically said in black and white it did no such thing
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goethe.cx posted:One snag is that the senate sets the rules of procedure for the trial. So they could hold one but provide for hardly any opportunity to present evidence yeah but then you've got the vulnerable republicans needing to specifically vote for a cover-up
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Retro42 posted:Shocked Collins hasn’t announced her retirement yet. Everything I’ve seen is that polling is looking ugly for her. The only thing I can think of with Collins et. al. is that they need to keep up the facade of staying in the fight as long as possible to get as many bribes they can before they lose the primary or general. If they had an offer of a bullshit fluff position on a board somewhere, you’d see them announcing their retirement right away.
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bird cooch posted:'Shall' is constitutional speak for 'must' another poster posted:When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside That's the part I needed. I know what "shall" means constitutionally. It's also in the nomination clause as well and meant nothing there. In this case, the reason it's probably an actual must is because it specifically puts someone who isn't the SML in charge of the impeachment trial. Thanks.
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He looks so particularly bad in this picture from today. I took a few minutes in GIMP to try and see how thick the makeup is:  
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:This... doesn't really seem like an accurate reading of the situation to me? It seems more like this is finally triggering impeachment because it's just so straightforward. Russia, the camps, and emoluments all get bogged down in poo poo about what powers the executive has and plausible deniability and whether being monstrous is actually illegal. "Trump directly asked a foreign leader to help smear his political opponent" is way easier to understand, and there's no levels of bureaucracy getting in the way of figuring out whom to blame. still making it too complicated. for the first time since the election of Donald Trump, democrats in congress have reason to believe they stand to lose something if he remains in power. and that has motivated them in a way no amount of institutional disrespect or the little people suffering ever could.
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evilweasel posted:mcconnell doesn't have the power to give hall passes or to force anyone to do anything This isn't 100% true. McConnel's wife is secretary of transportation and one of the ways that he intimidates other republicans into submission is by threatening to cut highway funds.
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mdemone posted:Lmao I just realized Mitt is gonna have to vote to acquit, I am deceased Why? It's not as if his seat is in jeopardy or even in play until 2024, and if I'm not mistaken his status in Utah is more or less unassailable. Maybe he'll lose some clout with the Senate GOP but he's only there to stage a comeback for POTUS.
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MSNBC has a "Dems backing impeachment" ticker and it keeps going up It was 175, they went to commercial and when they came back it was 178
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evilweasel posted:if i had to bet, i would bet that he instead immediately moves it to a vote and doesn't let the senate debate the impeachment at all, rather than just refusing to do anything Holy poo poo that's an interesting thought. If Roberts deliberately and openly tanks this thing in the senate you can move against the legitimacy of the conservative SCOTUS as well
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Ice Phisherman posted:This isn't 100% true. McConnel's wife is secretary of transportation and one of the ways that he intimidates other republicans into submission is by threatening to cut highway funds. Yeah this administration is so corrupt I had forgotten that’s a thing. Jesus, I hope that Trump achieves a moment of cognitive clarity and throws McConnel and his wife under the bus in these impeachment hearings Edit: just called Rep. McBath and let her aides know that she did a good thing. Please remember to call and thank those who signed on to the impeachment proceedings! funeral home DJ fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Sep 24, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1176586090192539648 This sounds like a good way to approach it
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Sundae posted:That's the part I needed. I know what "shall" means constitutionally. It's also in the nomination clause as well and meant nothing there. In this case, the reason it's probably an actual must is because it specifically puts someone who isn't the SML in charge of the impeachment trial. I misread, my apologies.
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Ripoff posted:Yeah this administration is so corrupt I had forgotten that’s a thing. Jesus, I hope that Trump achieves a moment of cognitive clarity and throws McConnel and his wife under the bus in these impeachment hearings. Currently she's being investigated for conflicts of interest as well (namely using her position to benefit her family's shipping company) so that's fun.
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https://i.imgur.com/NPzubpd.gif (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) mod edit: this is a gif of trump saying ITS HAPPENING with flashing background graphics; it's possibly epileptic fit inducing Somebody fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Sep 24, 2019 |
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The rot of corruption in the Trump Administration goes so deep that I bet the White House janitor has committed at least one felony.
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Feldegast42 posted:Holy poo poo that's an interesting thought. If Roberts deliberately and openly tanks this thing in the senate you can move against the legitimacy of the conservative SCOTUS as well I don't think he would, basically for the reason you identify, and also because Roberts will know the outcome of the trial is pre-ordained and will be canny enough to think that it will be better to have had the inevitable aquittal come from a "fair" trial. He doesn't need to answer to people who will be mad about hurting The Leader; he cares about the long-term power of the conservative SCOTUS majority and the republican party as a whole rather than Trump personally (not that many senators like Trump personally, but they answer to constituents that do).
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https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1176594583804940288 Kinda surprising there wasn't some bizzarro defector like Cruz or Paul
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No Safe Word posted:https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1176594583804940288 AKA, impeachment changes the calculus in Washington a shitload and forces Republicans onto the defensive
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It is really embarrassing and depressing that this is what it takes to hold a rich and powerful man responsible for his massive crimes but gently caress it I'll take it
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Solaris 2.0 posted:loving christ between this and Boris Johnson getting owned for "Unlawfully suspending Parliament" it's been a hell of a day. Is anything going to come from that? I haven't seen anyone talk about what will happen is Boris getting removed due to it?
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