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The Glumslinger posted:AKA, impeachment changes the calculus in Washington a shitload and forces Republicans onto the defensive It's almost like all those people talking about how impeachment was useless were talking entirely out of their asses
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The Glumslinger posted:AKA, impeachment changes the calculus in Washington a shitload and forces Republicans onto the defensive They'll pull out the knives for Trump if they sense the winds are turning.
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Sep 24, 2019 21:37
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When is Pelosi going to speak?
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No Safe Word posted:https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1176594583804940288 warner already announced that the whistleblower contacted his committee directly. even nutjobs like Cruz or Paul know the report is going to be public soon enough, so there's no sense in throwing yourself on the grenade to try to cover it up. Bill Barr tried to cover it up when nobody knew the report existed; but now it's clear that if all legitimate channels to release it are blocked it's going to show up in an unmarked brown envelope in the Post and the NYT's offices.
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Sep 24, 2019 21:37
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:When is Pelosi going to speak? I think she's scheduled for 5PM
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:When is Pelosi going to speak? 5p. Carried by every major network, and probably live on youtube. Get ready for a loving avalanche of whataboutisms to come. https://twitter.com/MariannaNBCNews/status/1176595895460057088
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evilweasel posted:if i had to bet, i would bet that he instead immediately moves it to a vote and doesn't let the senate debate the impeachment at all, rather than just refusing to do anything Mitch: we want to adjourn for a week! House: we don't want to adjourn! Mitch: oh no we are now in disagreement as to when to adjourn, let me check my pocket constitution to see who can resolve this...oh look at this! Trump: hay why don't you guys just adjourn until the year 2030
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Sep 24, 2019 21:38
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There Bias Two posted:They'll pull out the knives for Trump if they sense the winds are turning. If that happens it will probably be a landslide. Once the party lines start cracking no one will want to be on the wrong side.
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1176586090192539648 So maybe she isn't using a select committee as a means to slow walk it and shove Nadler aside.
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Sep 24, 2019 21:39
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That this has to loving happen https://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/status/1176594171211190272
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Sep 24, 2019 21:39
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goethe.cx posted:One snag is that the senate sets the rules of procedure for the trial. So they could hold one but provide for hardly any opportunity to present evidence The Ol' Kavanaugh
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1176586090192539648 I wonder if Ways and Means forgave him for all the nonsense he pulled with the budgets.
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Tormented posted:Is anything going to come from that? I haven't seen anyone talk about what will happen is Boris getting removed due to it?
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Sep 24, 2019 21:40
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I know people point to the impeachment trials for Nixon being the breaking of the dam regarding his approval rating leading in the end to him losing his parties support and the resignation but I’m having trouble believing that can happen again with the right wing media bubble that now exists to literally stop that from happening again. Not saying it’s not worth doing but I don’t know if the dam will ever break for him baring an economic meltdown.
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Sep 24, 2019 21:41
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:The Ol' Kavanaugh And as it happens, guess who was bulldozed on the court to try and make sure Trump got off if he ever was impeached? It's like poetry. It rhymes.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:That this has to loving happen Technically his ichor levels were too low to sustain consciousness, so no pinnochios awarded.
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Sep 24, 2019 21:42
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1176586090192539648 So they're going to try to impeach him for everything they got? "We're going to impeach him for..*unrolls a 16 foot scroll*...ok everyone, we're going to be here a while, get comfortable."
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bird cooch posted:Unfortunately due to the executive powers and his ability to run roughshod over the supreme Court there hasn't really been a lot of impeachable offenses that are clear-cut in all of that horrible mess Really? All the nazi bullshit? Embezzling tens to hundreds of millions in government funds? None of that's a good enough reason for the Democrats?
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There Bias Two posted:They'll pull out the knives for Trump if they sense the winds are turning. I do wonder if some of them are just crossing fingers that it isn't as bad as it sounds. Trump has been Teflon for so much poo poo I can imagine at least a few of them thinking that it'll just show some light treason and with enough shouts of fake news we will be back to status quo by Monday. Peraonally I hope they choke on this poo poo.
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Sep 24, 2019 21:43
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1176586090192539648 
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goethe.cx posted:One snag is that the senate sets the rules of procedure for the trial. So they could hold one but provide for hardly any opportunity to present evidence the more i think about this, the more i think it would be wrong. the house is going to present the most one-sided view of trump's criminality possible before voting on impeachment. mitch gains nothing by blocking any discussion in the senate, because then the Democrats are the only ones who put their story out there. instead, i would expect him (to the extent he can, which I don't know) to put on every scrap of "trump innocent" evidence, and then move to a vote while minimizing the "trump guilty" evidence. he will need the chance to give trump's defense opening/closing arguments after Pelosi ensures the House puts on the full case for the prosecution* * if they impeach. i'm not making a prediction they will: just saying that if they actually hold a vote, Pelosi's going to ensure they get as public a record on the evidence as possible first.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:So maybe she isn't using a select committee as a means to slow walk it and shove Nadler aside. But, if you can't trust the reporter from Playboy, who can you trust?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I know people point to the impeachment trials for Nixon being the breaking of the dam regarding his approval rating leading in the end to him losing his parties support and the resignation but I’m having trouble believing that can happen again with the right wing media bubble that now exists to literally stop that from happening again. Not saying it’s not worth doing but I don’t know if the dam will ever break for him baring an economic meltdown. it's all going to come down to what's actually in black and white in the tapes/report/things the report points to it wasn't the hearings that sunk Nixon, it was the tapes where he openly and unmistakably orders crimes. basically, you're looking for the exact sort evidence that would force the NFL or an NFL team to punish one of their star players for domestic violence or sex crimes.
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Tormented posted:Is anything going to come from that? I haven't seen anyone talk about what will happen is Boris getting removed due to it? The UK thread is probably a better place to ask BUT, from what I can gather as an outside American wholly distracted by our own poo poo-show.. ..he's hosed, but he doesn't care as his one and only goal is crashing out of Brexit come 10/31. A bunch of prominent UK politicians are calling for him to resign, and I think there are elections scheduled? It's all confusing as hell and, unlike us here in the U.S., they only have a month to get their poo poo in order lol.
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Feldegast42 posted:Holy poo poo that's an interesting thought. If Roberts deliberately and openly tanks this thing in the senate you can move against the legitimacy of the conservative SCOTUS as well Zero chance Roberts does anything even remotely controversial with it for this exact reason.
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Sep 24, 2019 21:45
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Ummmmmmmmmmmmm https://mobile.twitter.com/heatherscope/status/1176596891854880771
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Sep 24, 2019 21:46
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theflyingorc posted:But, if you can't trust the reporter from Playboy, who can you trust? Obligatory "I only read it for the articles" but doesn't Playboy have a respectable journalism department?
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Solaris 2.0 posted:The UK thread is probably a better place to ask BUT, from what I can gather as an outside American wholly distracted by our own poo poo-show.. the reason Boris is pushing so hard for elections is that, under the UK system, he would probably win them (for the precise reason why third parties don't work well in FPTP elections: the opposition is scattered between parties, and he has unified leave voters with the tories, so he can win big with a plurality)
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I know people point to the impeachment trials for Nixon being the breaking of the dam regarding his approval rating leading in the end to him losing his parties support and the resignation but I’m having trouble believing that can happen again with the right wing media bubble that now exists to literally stop that from happening again. Not saying it’s not worth doing but I don’t know if the dam will ever break for him baring an economic meltdown. I hear you, but I think the difference is supposed to be that the investigative committees pull out a shitload of dirty laundry, enough to the point where the people who are indifferent to politics start to understand the depths of the corruption and crimes through cultural osmosis. Anecdotes =/= evidence and all, but I know of a trust fund kid who reliably votes republican but only from the standpoint of “I want to keep my house and need the tax breaks”. She’s also big into animal rescue orgs and helps out a shitload with charities. The point is to show people like her how disgusting the GOP has become and see if they’ll stay home, or write in Mickey Mouse. Yes, doing this from the standpoint of stopping people from voting is poo poo, but with our two party system it’s pretty much the only option we have. 
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Obligatory "I only read it for the articles" but doesn't Playboy have a respectable journalism department? (they're not awful, but it's still pretty unlikely that Playboy's man in Washington is going to get an exclusive scoop on something this important with so many eyes on it)
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I know people point to the impeachment trials for Nixon being the breaking of the dam regarding his approval rating leading in the end to him losing his parties support and the resignation but I’m having trouble believing that can happen again with the right wing media bubble that now exists to literally stop that from happening again. Not saying it’s not worth doing but I don’t know if the dam will ever break for him baring an economic meltdown. It will be the actual test of the purpose of Fox News.
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Sep 24, 2019 21:47
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Oh my god imagine if trump decides to speak https://twitter.com/ChrisMegerian/status/1176595123574104064?s=20 Please look away if this will....offend you
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Sep 24, 2019 21:47
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Ummmmmmmmmmmmm No poo poo, there isn't anything there, just like there wasn't with Her Emails or Uranium One.
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Sep 24, 2019 21:48
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Ummmmmmmmmmmmm This could be true given this
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Ummmmmmmmmmmmm this is true and it's been known for some time. there is no scandal there, it's been definitively disproven. trump and rudy want the ukranians to manufacture one: open an investigation, leak there's an investigation, knowing there's nothing there.
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evilweasel posted:the reason Boris is pushing so hard for elections is that, under the UK system, he would probably win them (for the precise reason why third parties don't work well in FPTP elections: the opposition is scattered between parties, and he has unified leave voters with the tories, so he can win big with a plurality) Isn't this exactly what May thought too?
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Sep 24, 2019 21:48
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Oh Donny, please speak and rage-spittle all over the first three rows of reporters.
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evilweasel posted:it's all going to come down to what's actually in black and white in the tapes/report/things the report points to Yeah, pretty sure you're right on the money here. It isn't just a matter of Trump committing a crime, it is a matter of it being so blatant that it spills out into all manner of news and people hear his actual words day in and day out. The closest Trump ever came to losing was Access Hollywood, because it was just so blatant that even republicans started to turn on him. At the time, they couldn't force him out of the nomination, but I think if you find something similar, with unconditional proof of a crime, you could see enough republicans swaying that you get the domino effect you usually see when a politician fucks up.
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Ripoff posted:Yes, doing this from the standpoint of stopping people from voting is poo poo, but with our two party system it’s pretty much the only option we have.
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Here's a stream for Pelosi's statement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDZf6AIhNIo
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