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evilweasel posted:the correct response to someone parroting trumps lies on this is actually not to agree with them FYI No lie in "Biden loving sucks".
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Edmund Lava posted:There was no vote, but no one objected. So it passes without a record of how everyone voted. Nobody is really sure why, but I guess we’ll find out when the spin machine picks up. Is this an example of where they didn’t object hoping a reasonable amount of other republicans would - and then completely lost that gamble?
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TulliusCicero posted:
I look forward to debating evolution believers on how a bunch of democrats suddenly grew spines outside of divine intervention. 
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Sep 25, 2019 00:21
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Is there any point in releasing the transcripts without the whistleblower there to testify? Couldn't Trump just release any transcripts/blatantly edit what he releases otherwise?
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Sep 25, 2019 00:22
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Madkal posted:Is there any point in releasing the transcripts without the whistleblower there to testify? Couldn't Trump just release any transcripts/blatantly edit what he releases otherwise? At this point doctoring documents would not be out of the realm of believability but it would also more or less be giving Ukraine/other intelligence agencies an obvious source of blackmail over him and they whistleblower would have a pretty easy time of saying "that ain't what I wrote"
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Sep 25, 2019 00:23
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Bill weld and Joe Walsh are having a Republican Primary debate right now. Lots of trash talking Trump. https://www.facebook.com/BusinessInsiderToday/videos/459362141331330/
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Sep 25, 2019 00:24
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SKULL.GIF posted:No lie in "Biden loving sucks". there is when you imply it’s because of the corruption allegations trump is trying to fake not saying you have to like him, just that you can’t agree with a trump supporter that “they’re both crooks!” that’s literally trumps goal here you want to say he sucks for any legit reason go right ahead
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Sep 25, 2019 00:26
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Madkal posted:Is there any point in releasing the transcripts without the whistleblower there to testify? Couldn't Trump just release any transcripts/blatantly edit what he releases otherwise? the whistleblower is in touch with the dems and will say something if the docs are edited
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Sep 25, 2019 00:28
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USPOL Fall: The Spine, the Speaker and the Slushbrains
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Sep 25, 2019 00:29
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evilweasel posted:there is when you imply it’s because of the corruption allegations trump is trying to fake Believing that Trump is playing some sort of mind games that people are “falling into” is a old, dumb, lie. They are both crooks. That’s not fulfilling a goal of trumps 4d chess game that’s just truth.
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Sep 25, 2019 00:29
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evilweasel posted:there is when you imply it’s because of the corruption allegations trump is trying to fake biden's influnece on obama's foreign policy while his son was an investor there was one giant ball of conflicts of interest and it was absurdly improprietous to not have any mechanisms to defuse this conflict
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Sep 25, 2019 00:29
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My idiot representative: https://twitter.com/RepMoBrooks/status/1176605049826529283?s=20 You can only impeach a president if they did something worse than Bill Clinton. 
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Sep 25, 2019 00:30
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WeaponX posted:Believing that Trump is playing some sort of mind games that people are “falling into” is a old, dumb, lie. I’m not corrupt you’re corrupt isn’t 4d chess it’s barely checkers it’s literally the exact playbook he ran against clinton
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Sep 25, 2019 00:31
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Curly Shuffle posted:My idiot representative: When you definitely know what the 14th amendment says
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Sep 25, 2019 00:31
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The only answer to any of the Biden stuff is "Biden is not president. And if he did something illegal, he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, stop trying to change the subject"
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Sep 25, 2019 00:33
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Curly Shuffle posted:My idiot representative: What the gently caress is this guy even citing? Also, pressuring a country to give you dirt on your political opponent is less of a felony than lying about an affair? Really?
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Sep 25, 2019 00:33
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anyone who actually believes these allegations against Biden is dumber than most trump voters, they are incredibly discredited and that there are people itt who get their facts from Rudy Giuliani is quite depressing
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Sep 25, 2019 00:34
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WeaponX posted:Believing that Trump is playing some sort of mind games that people are “falling into” is a old, dumb, lie. Yeah say what you want about Trump it’s pretty clear the guy thinks no more than zero moves ahead at any given time.
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Sep 25, 2019 00:34
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Curly Shuffle posted:My idiot representative: lol what does this guy think equal protection means
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Sep 25, 2019 00:34
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Curly Shuffle posted:My idiot representative: I'll be honest, I prefer Mel.
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cheetah7071 posted:lol what does this guy think equal protection means
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Sep 25, 2019 00:39
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cheetah7071 posted:lol what does this guy think equal protection means Equal protection means if I get busted for an ounce of weed the cops have to let me go because hey come on some other guy got busted with like a pound of coke
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Sep 25, 2019 00:40
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Some main thoughts on this: 1) Trump broke one of the cardinal rules of doing crimes, 'don't break the law in any way that the average person will understand.' The Ukraine poo poo can be summed up clearly in a ten word sentence and is visibly, ridiculously unethical. On top of that, the coverup was illegal and, worse still, utterly ineffectual. As far as committing crimes and getting away with them goes, those are both cardinal sins. 2) There's going to be a realignment in washington if this gains any traction at all because so much of the last few years has been utterly predicated upon the idea that you can just do anything and there are zero consequences and a lot of people have done a lot of corrupt poo poo or said or written things that in a slightly different political climate are going to look really bad at best or outright illegal/corrupt at worst. If law breaking has consequences all of a sudden, that's a big deal for members of congress. Aside from the legal exposure, the entire Trump debacle has the potential to be an albatross around the necks of the GOP for years if the dems play their cards at all correctly. I really can't stress enough how utterly stupid it is to do a major crime that can literally be summed up in a headline. The mueller report had so much less impact because it took paragraphs to explain its conclusions. Edmund Lava posted:There was no vote, but no one objected. So it passes without a record of how everyone voted. Nobody is really sure why, but I guess we’ll find out when the spin machine picks up. Related to #2 above: Reminder that whatever the specifics were, they were so bad that a Trump appointee filed the highest level of whistleblower complaint possible and the DNI and the assistant DNI resigned over it. Word in the senate right now is probably that you don't want to end up on the wrong side of this wildly incompetent and politically toxic coverup
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Sep 25, 2019 00:41
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bird cooch posted:The only answer to any of the Biden stuff is "Biden is not president. And if he did something illegal, he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, stop trying to change the subject" No even that's too much. Never engage with the distractions at all or they will run with it. "We're talking about Trump and what Trump did." is all that is needed.
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there's a long answer to why the biden allegations are nonsense, but given that people itt appear to actually have thought "well that alcoholic nutbar on tv who will say anything to get on tv said something that might be useful to me politically" is a sound way of getting some facts we're going to need to simplify this. what rudy has claimed biden did was get a prosecutor fired for opening an investigation into his son to protect his son. here's the problem: the prosecutor had dropped the investigation that allegedly implicated biden's kid a year before biden (and the entire EU) advocated for him to be fired because the prosecutor was corrupt you don't corruptly try to fire the prosecutor who DIDN'T investigate your kid to protect your kid i hope this has been edifying to people who go "that rudy makes some good points, even if i disagree with him sometimes". there's much more about why it's utter nonsense, of course, but the above is more than enough and simple enough.
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Sep 25, 2019 00:42
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nine-gear crow posted:I've been loathe to defend Pelosi lately, but she really does have a good zinger game when it's needed. She’s a jellyfish, all sting and no backbone.
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Sep 25, 2019 00:42
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cheetah7071 posted:lol what does this guy think equal protection means I want him to say that to a lawyer just so I can watch a lawyer's head explode.
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Numlock posted:She’s a jellyfish, all sting and no backbone. and will inherit the earth 
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Sep 25, 2019 00:43
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I'm sure Diamond and Mike Mulvaney are very confident, yeah.
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Edmund Lava posted:There was no vote, but no one objected. So it passes without a record of how everyone voted. Nobody is really sure why, but I guess we’ll find out when the spin machine picks up. This is what happens when Dems move quickly enough that GOP doesn't have time to receive marching orders and ready the spin machine. None of the Senators know what the play is and they scamper away like the cowards they are.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Some main thoughts on this: agreed. thats why i think their "might" be a chance the GOP shanks him over this. they care about their grift and their various bullshit and if this poo poo explodes and takes off(which seems likely) they want to sever hard. Numlock posted:She’s a jellyfish, all sting and no backbone. drat
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negativeneil posted:This is what happens when Dems move quickly enough that GOP doesn't have time to receive marching orders and ready the spin machine. None of the Senators know what the play is and they scamper away like the cowards they are. they didn't object because they knew the report was coming out one way or another, and there's no percentage in being a hero in a failed coverup: either it's a dud and you crow about your transparency or it's something, and you can carefully decide how far to stick your neck out knowing what you're actually dealing with
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drat! I was really hoping for something in those transcripts! Oh well. Still, better hand them over anyway just to be sure
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like say you're going through your day as DNI, you're looking over reports about how the US just blew up 50 farmers in Afghanistan for zero reason, you're reading about the death toll of the famine from the american supported saudi-imposed blockade in Yemen, you're reading the latest about how American farm exports in various sectors have fallen to near zero because of the trade wars, you're reading about threats to concentration camps from jewish never again activists Then some Trump corruption poo poo comes across your table that is so bad that you decide to resign?
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Sep 25, 2019 00:48
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Curly Shuffle posted:My idiot representative: So brilliant of the founding fathers to write an amendment citing an administration that would not happen for 120 years
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DeeplyConcerned posted:drat! I was really hoping for something in those transcripts! Oh well. Still, better hand them over anyway just to be sure I was initially a bit afraid the transcripts would be harmless, but after Trump attempted a mulligan with Pelosi and now with the White House playing down the whole thing this will probably end up being something insane.
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Ripoff posted:I was initially a bit afraid the transcripts would be harmless, but after Trump attempted a mulligan with Pelosi and now with the White House playing down the whole thing this will probably end up being something insane. I still don't think they'd be so quick to comply if they knew it was damning. They'd fight more. Maybe it's just me.
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