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Breadallelogram posted:lol when your response to Trump making fun of you is to take a DNA test and very publicly release the results that prove you were wrong your entire life, yes I have doubts about your ability to run a successful general election campaign haha yup. went ahead and released the DNA report data anyway instead of quietly burying it and never mentioning it again. killer political instinct on full display. 1% Pocahontas.
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Pellisworth posted:So then why should I vote for Bernie over Warren, if stated policy positions don't matter? Because you can take look at his life’s work and tell that he the best choice to lead us.
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Pellisworth posted:So then why should I vote for Bernie over Warren, if stated policy positions don't matter? 1) because bernie hasn’t changed because he hasn’t needed to change. he’s been right this whole time, even when it’s been politically inconvenient and he will fight for what he believes in 2) warren did brownface and i’ll be reminding people of that until she drops out
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She also demonstrated her inability to resist own goals and bait with the dna test thing, which came at the end of a long string of at least moderately scummy leveraging of her “Native American ancestry.” Most of that behavior hasn’t even been dredged up in a general election before. Some was discovered since 2016. *She did something really stupid for decades and there’s no possible argument that exculpates her* (and oh by the way, the second most stupid thing was *being a republican*, which is a huge material difference against the guy who’s been consistent for decades). At best she can dodge and say “Trump worse” and we know how that ends. She’ll be just another elite using the oppressed as a stepladder to the nonvoters dems need. (Whether they understand it in those terms is immaterial) She shouldn’t even be a consideration if people were honest with themselves. Half the arguments for her online are already “well, no one will be able to get anything done, so we may as well have a woman not get anything done.” People just don’t believe good things are possible so they’re already settling. E: drat you all were posting fast sry
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(teleports to 2020 when warren has won the primary and its time to take in those super PAC bucks) “Unlike Dangerous Donald, I have a PLAN to build the border wall. And we’re gonna need big structural change if we’re gonna get people off of welfare”
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Will introducing a game he really loves on the newest Left Trigger is very pure and adorable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTrZjt1eJco
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Pellisworth posted:Nobody gives a poo poo about the dumb Pocahontas stuff. The best thing she can do is ignore it. I say this as an instructor at a tribal college who has had many conversations with students and other faculty on the subject. It's a very weak line of attack.
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https://twitter.com/jackallisonLOL/status/1176511664885075968 i dont know how anyone could watch this and not think 'this is a deeply stupid person'
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Warren did the DNA test because one of the Pod Save Johns told her it would be a good idea. If following the advice of those losers isn’t immediately disqualifying then I don’t know what is.
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warren won’t even commit to ending the war on yemen, so why doesn’t she drop out and endorse bernie?
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The only other thing you need to know is those NYT maps of where candidate support comes from. Warren is like a satire of past standard dem elite performance. The only thing keeping her from 100% wrapping up boomers and people making $150k+ (and nothing else, because Bernie owns) is Buttigieg.
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*after consulting with Pod Save America guys again, days before election* Wait everyone I meant I’m the OTHER kind of Indian. Is this better?? Help
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I mean this is all missing the forest for the trees. Warren was happily identifying as a republican throughout the Reagen administration. I dunno how you could know that and know how much hosed up poo poo that party did in that era and go "Yeah this lady probably cares about poor/gay/trans/black people at all." And she didn't swap parties because of any moral reason, she did it because the Republican party started carrying more about cultural poo poo than being good stewards of american capital and jumped poo poo to join the Third Way ghouls. And her excuse for all of this is "Hey look I just didn't think about politics." Meanwhile Bernie has been as he is now for his entire career. Which of the two looks like they have actual principles and beliefs that will affect their policy? ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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in 2015 warren was saying that gender transition care for trans prison inmates was a waste of taxpayer money. she’s loving garbage
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Serf posted:2) warren did brownface and i’ll be reminding people of that until she drops out what huh I'm assuming you're referring to her whole received family narrative about being part Cherokee and not some literal Justin Trudeau brownface incident I'm unaware of imo it's understandable that she accepted her mother's family story about being Cherokee it was incredibly stupid and tone-deaf to release a 23andme style DNA test. blood quantum is a very touchy subject and to start talking about what % Cherokee you are is indeed an incredible unforced error also for what it's worth I would vote for Bernie in the primary over Warren though it won't matter because I live in South Dakota. my objection is with Chapo's hatred for Warren when I perceive her to not be that much different from Sanders. she's okay, she's fine, she's sure as hell a lot better than Biden or Harris
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Pellisworth posted:I perceive her to not be that much different from Sanders. Yeah we know you think that that's the bit we're making fun and calling stupid. Serf posted:in 2015 warren was saying that gender transition care for trans prison inmates was a waste of taxpayer money. she’s loving garbage Republican During the AIDS Crisis. gently caress this bitch, seriously.
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Pellisworth posted:what huh she did brownface to get all her positions that let her get into political office lmao she’s bad, absolutely poop from a butt. she should drop the gently caress out and endorse bernie, but she won’t because she’s a corporate stooge like the rest of the democratic field. she’s already going to be taking corporate money in the general and her daughter bought her the endorsement of the wfp.
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Pellisworth posted:what huh  she let Harvard Law School call her its first female professor of colorShe wrote for a cookbook called Pow Wow Chow She got out the calipers to measure her grandfather's skull shape https://twitter.com/jackallisonLOL/status/1176511664885075968 This poo poo is fatal. She's skating on it because Trump made it racist, but it'll be the only thing the media talks about once she's the nominee
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she has all the right policies but she’s a capitalist to the bone and just jumping on the bandwagon. therefore if she wins she’s gonna buckle and do way less than Bernie would. also she’s said she’ll take donations from Capital during the general. she’s not gonna oppose it like Bernie would. Chapo is a socialist podcast iirc so all of this should make them hate the prospect of her winning over Bernie
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Also “slightly better than establishment dems” isn’t a good point in her favor lmao. We literally don’t have time for someone who is just okay
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I’d love it if all the Warren folk would just fess up and say they like Warren more than Bernie. Just say that! It’s easy! You don’t even have to write paragraphs about how she’s actually just as radical as the guy who supported Sandinistas in the ‘80’s and crafted a ‘foreign policy’ for a tiny town in Vermont.
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At the end of the day, Warren wants things to go back to normal. That's never going to happen, not after Trump, not with the rise of fascism globally, not with climate change starting to become undeniable, not with this many people expecting something else. And that's fundamentally why Bernie is polling at all; Despite everything the DNC/media/moneyed class does, has done, and will do to smear and delay him, he's still fundamentally trying to make things never go back to the status quo. Warren wins, we go back to 2012, but with obamacare+. Warren loses, we're still here, but now Trump's gonna be emboldened. Bernie wins, I don't know, but it'll be the first socialist to be President and I don't think capitalism at this late stage can survive that. If you think that's a bad thing, I'm sorry, but you're a privileged piece of poo poo, and worse, you're a conservative. ps. i hate america, israel, and apple pie
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She has all the right policies, really?
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Flat Daddy posted:(teleports to 2020 when warren has won the primary and its time to take in those super PAC bucks) “Unlike Dangerous Donald, I have a PLAN to build the border wall. And we’re gonna need big structural change if we’re gonna get people off of welfare” The weirdest thing about Chapo-Sanders supporters is the insistence that somehow every single Democratic candidate other than Bernie will magically be worse than the Trump.  At best Sanders has stayed as stagnant as Biden while Warren has gone from 5% to 20%. For all the talk about how Bernie's policies are more popular than Marvel movies, it hasn't translated to polling numbers while Warren running an incredibly similar script has actually gained supporters. I'll be voting for Bernie in the NY primaries. But I haven't seen how he can win the primary with zero growth. MadJackal fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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idk who cares about that. what matters is that they’re all worse than bernie
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Flat Daddy posted:(“wrangling retards”, as she put it) ok now I’m coming around to her
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MadJackal posted:The weirdest thing about Chapo-Sanders supporters is the insistence that somehow every single Democratic candidate other than Bernie will magically be worse than the Trump. Nobody says this.
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Chexoid posted:I'd like to see old Donny Trump wriggle his way out of THIS jam i exploded holding back laughter at this
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Pellisworth posted:what huh I don’t know who’s the bigger cynical nihilist: the person who has been blatantly
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T-man posted:At the end of the day, Warren wants things to go back to normal. That's never going to happen
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Pellisworth posted:she's okay, she's fine, she's sure as hell a lot better than Biden or Harris Say one more retarded-rear end thing and I will vote for Trump, bitch
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Pellisworth posted:also for what it's worth I would vote for Bernie in the primary over Warren though it won't matter because I live in South Dakota. my objection is with Chapo's hatred for Warren when I perceive her to not be that much different from Sanders. she's okay, she's fine, she's sure as hell a lot better than Biden or Harris First of all you need to get out there and vote for Bernie in the primary and the general, it absolutely will matter in South Dakota. Second of all, the positions Obama ran on were a lot better than Biden, Harris, or Clinton. He backtracked on all of them because he wasn't genuinely committed to making them happen. The only candidate who is, in my mind, the slightest bit believable in terms of doing what they've said they will is Bernard Sanders.
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Phone posted:I don’t know who’s the bigger cynical nihilist: the person who has been blatantly because they've probably done the same thing themselves and identify with it Stringent posted:First of all you need to get out there and vote for Bernie in the primary and the general, it absolutely will matter in South Dakota. That's the thing about plans. Candidates can and will go back on them. Yes, people can grow and change, but I am always going to be more wary of someone who decided to make a heel turn while saying "I agreed with their economics, but their culture war poo poo is what made me change my mind" while talking about how they have these supposedly leftist policy plans. I want someone who's been consistent on this, who emphasizes WHO they will help (the non-millionaires/billionaires, the people of color, the poor) instead of specific policy goals. Them laying out solid policy is a nice bonus and necessary, but they have to be willing to get people on board with fighting for those policies by organizing outside of the voting booth. Warren talks a good game but at the end of the day her stance is that she promises plans that she will enact. Sanders encourages people to view the system itself as hostile and to organize themselves to push for reforms. No, he's not going to end capitalism, but we gotta start somewhere. To get a mass workers movement, we first need people to identify an enemy, be enabled by a president who is at least not hostile to their movement, and encourages them to take actions that will put pressure on lawmakers who don't want to play ball. I just don't see Warren doing this, even if she has a few top union brass backing her. Shipon fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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I’m just baffled at the idea that Bernie doesn’t have charisma but warren does. Bernie is so much fun to watch when he gets all fired up and just goes off. He reminds everyone of their funny cool grandpas. Warren is the kid who sits in front of the class and tells teacher they forgot to give us homework.
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Pellisworth posted:I'm happy to concede that Warren's policies are watered down Bernie proposals but I'm still skeptical that she's more vulnerable than Sanders in a general election. Honestly did you just skip history or something, not take any interest in it? How are you listening to Chapo an obvious and openly socialist podcast and droning on about how some class traitor dumbfuck liberal isn't notably different from Bernie loving Sanders? Like the difference isn't somehow immediately obvious, like you had to be taught or something. Like what the gently caress else don't you know about history that you need a reminder about how actually loving different these people and their ideologies are? Liberals aren't your friends, they are the bad guys, they have to be defeated too.
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GoLambo posted:Honestly did you just skip history or something, not take any interest in it? How are you listening to Chapo an obvious and openly socialist podcast and droning on about how some class traitor dumbfuck liberal isn't notably different from Bernie loving Sanders? Like the difference isn't somehow immediately obvious, like you had to be taught or something. Like what the gently caress else don't you know about history that you need a reminder about how actually loving different these people and their ideologies are? Liberals aren't your friends, they are the bad guys, they have to be defeated too. i mean i get it, i wanted to like warren to as being another good option but i just can't feel excited about her knowing her worldview isn't in tune with what i believe
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Pellisworth posted:Nobody gives a poo poo about the dumb Pocahontas stuff. The best thing she can do is ignore it. If the best thing she can do is ignore it, what did she actually do?
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MadJackal posted:The weirdest thing about Chapo-Sanders supporters is the insistence that somehow every single Democratic candidate other than Bernie will magically be worse than the Trump. a) political polling is meaningless bullshit quit paying attention to it b) the primaries aren't a single nationwide contest but 50-whatever individual state/territorial contests, nationwide primary polling is completely irrelevant c) the iowa caucus is still over 4 months away, you can't extrapolate a final result from polls this early d) political polling is meaningless bullshit quit paying attention to it
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