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bird cooch posted:Her base? California? What about all the other people who are representatives for all the other people in the country. Is unearned smugness your gimmick? You are claiming she had no support because loving Republicans didn't want to impeach
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I've been saying for a while that all the people ranting about pelosi defenders are welcome to go back the last thousand pages and find one person defending her spineless bullshit I'm gonna say this REAL SLOW because you were on the wacky tobacky in social studies... pee pee poo poo centrists good (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Sep 25, 2019 05:35 |
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Majorian posted:You still seem to be unclear on the concept that Speakers of the House can exert leadership, if they feel so compelled. The fact that Pelosi did not feel so compelled is the problem. I'm not confused at all. I am simply working with the data that actually exist instead of extrapolation from nothing. There is absolutely zero data about what's going on other than some never-ending Dems and disarray stories that everybody loves to click and always has some sort of unnamed person behind them. I guess I would say that's my defaults assumption is that I am not smarter than everyone else and here in the real world where I operate and am reasonably successful I has turned out time and time again to be a good tact. Automatically assuming because it fits some sort of predetermined narrative that everybody is bad usually ends up with you either ignoring history or making gross baseless assumptions. Which is what we're dealing with here. You want to talk about leadership and yet here we are on a day when some of the cards were shown and yet, and yet you still face your rash illogical assumptions on the idea that you are smarter than everybody else. Hubris. This conversation has been had time and time again over the last six or so months if that, and time as far as I've seen, has Shone out that there is something else going on. Instead of the aimless screeching that everybody sucks and is a coward. The Democrats are the big tent party, because of that there is no lock step. There is no over-reaching party line that is handed out in a memo every morning and repeated on the news channels and verbatim out of the mouths of Representatives. some of this is a little more advanced government theory, but most of it is how the House of Representatives works. You want a single person to blame, there is no single person. Y'all are too invested in what the internet thinks and eventually you're going to figure out that the Internet isn't real life, that something awful has a varying degrees of groupthink depending on which politics thread you are inand that there is no quick fix. There never was, there never will be. You can look at history as an example. The votes to file articles of impeachment tomorrow are still not there, however it is now within striking distance and is now with in a real chance of success. Take yourself down a couple notches. And to repeat myself as I seem to have to do over and loving over again I do not like Nancy Pelosi I wish she would retire and be replaced by somebody within a couple of generations of normal people. Ate My Balls Redux posted:Is unearned smugness your gimmick? You are claiming she had no support because loving Republicans didn't want to impeach You called it revisionist history, and were loving wrong and yet you just brushed that aside. My gimmick is that I am a genuine poster and I'm not pretending, more people should try it and maybe talk to people like real people exist in the real world. bird cooch fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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U.S. invokes state secrets privilege to block American journalist’s challenge to alleged spot on drone ‘kill list’ posted:
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I watched the video and I’m pretty sure that Rudy was just holding up the phone and saying “it’s all here” as in “all the conversations are right here on this phone.” That iPhone he has automatically lights up when picked up and pointed at anything.
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https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1176673472774332416
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Boris Galerkin posted:I watched the video and I’m pretty sure that Rudy was just holding up the phone and saying “it’s all here” as in “all the conversations are right here on this phone.” Good job. Mystery solved, thread.
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# ? Sep 25, 2019 06:06 |
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Fox News' main page is a full court press attacking the impeachment inquiry from every angle. For all the conventional wisdom that this help's Trumps chances in 2020, they don't seem to be taking it lightly.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1176701564624543744 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1176702213613334535 still going
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Ormi posted:Stuff about Bilal Abdul Kareem If I were this guy, I would be trying to get my rear end to US soil as fast as I could and see if they arrest me at customs. Better to be arrested and have some sort of due process than blown up in your sleep. KillHour fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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Have Some Flowers! posted:Fox News' main page is a full court press attacking the impeachment inquiry from every angle. For all the conventional wisdom that this help's Trumps chances in 2020, they don't seem to be taking it lightly. Preventing the impeachment of a Republican president is the one thing Fox News is meant to do. Everything else is/has been gravy. It's not exactly surprising that they are going "red alert, all hands on deck!" on this.
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So is that journalist still on the Kill List?
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# ? Sep 25, 2019 06:14 |
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He probably got moved to the top of the list.
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# ? Sep 25, 2019 06:15 |
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Is this what Pelosi meant by implying that Trump will eventually self impeach? I wonder how potent that tactic is when the Overton Window has already dramatically shifted.
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Have Some Flowers! posted:Fox News' main page is a full court press attacking the impeachment inquiry from every angle. For all the conventional wisdom that this help's Trumps chances in 2020, they don't seem to be taking it lightly.
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Fox News was literally created post-Nixon to make sure that never happened again to a republican. Of course they’re fighting it from every angle.
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i am harry posted:So is that journalist still on the Kill List? The US Government won't tell him. Honestly, the US military shouldn't have jurisdiction to kill anybody outside of a war declared by congress. The fact that we have a list of people we just want dead without any form of due process is absolutely insane. Can we move from abolish ICE to abolish the DoD?
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KillHour posted:The US Government won't tell him. I mean I'm with you, but people can't reconcile not having armed guards at the border doesn't mean "open borders"
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Kaboobi posted:Fox News was literally created post-Nixon to make sure that never happened again to a republican. Of course theyre fighting it from every angle.
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I’m starting to think the paranoia is going to get to him and he’s gonna do something drastic and REALLY egregious like a Super Saturday Night Massacre (this sounds like a WWF PPV from the Attitude Era).
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KillHour posted:Can we move from abolish ICE to abolish the DoD? I'd be content with "Ex parte Milligan was a good ruling, actually, and should still be the law."
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Kaboobi posted:Fox News was literally created post-Nixon to make sure that never happened again to a republican. Of course they’re fighting it from every angle. Yep. This is Fox's crucible. This is the moment it was created for specifically. If Trump is successfully impeached or resigns in the midst of impeachment, then it has failed the mission it was put on this earth to accomplish and 40 years of Roger Ailes' life and effort meant absolutely nothing. Can't wait
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nine-gear crow posted:Yep. This is Fox's crucible. This is the moment it was created for specifically. If Trump is successfully impeached or resigns in the midst of impeachment, then it has failed the mission it was put on this earth to do and 40 years of Roger Ailes' life and effort meant absolutely nothing. Time to make their lives(and lies) as hard as possible, there has been no better time for it.
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RuanGacho posted:I mean I'm with you, but people can't reconcile not having armed guards at the border doesn't mean "open borders" We have armed guards all over. They're called police.
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:So I actually read the article and watched the video because I'm like 90% sure my dad did / will, and I wanna be able to rebut that poo poo. Isn't the point that Biden was threatening to withhold aid with the consent of the government and in agreement with the EU and others for the benefit of the US and the Ukraine and to achieve a specific goal and Trump was trying to extort them using his position and taxpayer money for personal gain and personal reasons against a private citizen. How is it even remotely comparable?
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eviltastic posted:I'd be content with "Ex parte Milligan was a good ruling, actually, and should still be the law." How the hell was this not cited as precedent in the Bilal Abdul Kareem case? I think this might be what I blow my OA "Patrons get to pick a deep dive subject" on.
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haveblue posted:Foghorn Leghorn was based on a parody of a southern senator to begin with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6-JddDUnyY
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Mahoning posted:I’m starting to think the paranoia is going to get to him and he’s gonna do something drastic and REALLY egregious like a Super Saturday Night Massacre (this sounds like a WWF PPV from the Attitude Era). That's actually right up Trump's alley, so ...
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KillHour posted:How the hell was this not cited as precedent in the Bilal Abdul Kareem case? Might've been, for all I know. Regarding the broader significance, it's a complicated answer and I gotta sleep, but I'll try to put together a post if nobody else mentions it and I get the time. Short answer is it's a good precedent that was also very inconvenient. Followup cases would be Ex parte Quirin, Johnson v Eisentrager, and a bunch of poo poo from the Bush administration because of course there was.
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Flesh Forge posted:That's actually right up Trump's alley, so ... It bears repeating that Trump is literally In the WWE Wrestling Hall of Fame and by providing Trump properties for venues of some key early PPVs he can fairly claim to be personally responsible for wrestling's existence as an ongoing national item.
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eviltastic posted:Might've been, for all I know. Regarding the broader significance, it's a complicated answer and I gotta sleep, but I'll try to put together a post if nobody else mentions it and I get the time. Short answer is it's a good precedent that was also very inconvenient. Followup cases would be Ex parte Quirin, Johnson v Eisentrager, and a bunch of poo poo from the Bush administration because of course there was. Would love more info on this when you get a chance.
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Illuminti posted:Isn't the point that Biden was threatening to withhold aid with the consent of the government and in agreement with the EU and others for the benefit of the US and the Ukraine and to achieve a specific goal and Trump was trying to extort them using his position and taxpayer money for personal gain and personal reasons against a private citizen. That's a level of nuance that the American voters have proved incapable of assessing over the course of our entire lives.
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eviltastic posted:Might've been, for all I know. Regarding the broader significance, it's a complicated answer and I gotta sleep, but I'll try to put together a post if nobody else mentions it and I get the time. Short answer is it's a good precedent that was also very inconvenient. Followup cases would be Ex parte Quirin, Johnson v Eisentrager, and a bunch of poo poo from the Bush administration because of course there was. i, for one, have absolutely no interest in the deeply nerdy inner details of every single supreme court case and lower court case available on this topic or any other fascinating topic, and frankly it'd be weird if anyone thought i did
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Dammerung posted:What a sad, angry little man. Like everything else about this administration they're unprepared for the obvious
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To be fair, I’m also not sure it is entirely unreasonable to expect Quislings to Quisling and that the Democrats would never finally make a move.
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Illuminti posted:Isn't the point that Biden was threatening to withhold aid with the consent of the government and in agreement with the EU and others for the benefit of the US and the Ukraine and to achieve a specific goal and Trump was trying to extort them using his position and taxpayer money for personal gain and personal reasons against a private citizen. Yes, and maybe I'm already falling for the trap by even treating their arguments as good faith arguments and trying to figure out how to pick them apart. Especially dumb after a couple strong beers.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:To be fair, I’m also not sure it is entirely unreasonable to expect Quislings to Quisling and that the Democrats would never finally make a move. are you entirely incapable of accepting that House Democrats did a good thing? edit: "o ho, we finally had something good happen, but have you considered that House Dems Are Bad nonetheless" is a Bad Take, just so we're clear here; it is demonstrably wrong, right now, today, in the most dramatic fashion since uh the coronation of Donald I Trump Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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bird cooch posted:I'm not confused at all. I am simply working with the data that actually exist instead of extrapolation from nothing. I’ve found it helpful to write this kind of stuff out in a .txt and then reread it after like half an hour, really cuts down on having to insist I’m not the confused one posting several paragraph screeds in my best pundit brain impression.
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Finnish tabloids have probably found the most powerfully Trump image in the world. Edit: Alenius is not shocked though.
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Kuule hain nussivan posted:Finnish tabloids have probably found the most powerfully Trump image in the world.
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