Leaks posted:

Specifications:

Manufacture: RSI
Focus: Interdicting
Model: Mantis
LP Size: Small
Ship Size: Small-Medium
(thinking a slightly longer but skinnier in the rear Terrapin with no radar chair but QED in its place)
Cargo: 0-2 SCU (pending if canopy entry, ramp, or elevator)
Modularity: None.
Min Crew: 1
Max Crew: 1
Avionics:

Radar: M
Computers: S
Weapons:

Guns: 2x s3 gimbaled or s4 fixed
Missiles: 2x s2 rack / 2x2 s1's or 2x s3 racks / 2x2 s2's
Utility:

QED (Quantum Enforcement Device)
System:

PP: small
Coolers: small x2
SG: small
Thrusters:

2-4 main
2 retro
6-8 maneuvering
Propulsion:

Fuel Intakes: small
Fuel Tanks: 2x small
QD: small
JD: small
QFT: small
Price:

From 150 USD to 220*** USD
Basing it off of the niche role of the Gladiator but starting as low as a ship comparable to its probable size without multi-crew.
**\* Only difference is the Terrapin / Gladiator needs two people to operate effectively making it multi crew thus raising the price.

Sarsapariller posted:

The absolute brilliance of tying every single stupid-rear end game mechanic to a 200+ dollar price tag cannot be overstated. Kudos, CIG. Looking forward to moderately inconveniencing some people in my 200 dollar spaceship.

Also LOL that the ship is basically unable to fight effectively. Hope you bought a couple of backups!

Popete posted:

If they do make interdiction a module that other ships can install than it just nullifies this ship since it can't do anything else effectively.

The problem with SC is that to fix and balance the game would upset their whales too much because it invalidates the unseemly amounts of money they spent to be special and above everyone else.

chaosapiant posted:

Wouldn't Dwarf Fortress be close if not beating DNF for total dev time?

Hav posted:

We lost the stupid console thread and I don’t know where to pop this.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/25/atari_retro_console/

Sarsapariller posted:

So apparently CIG has swung back hard in the opposite direction on rental prices- a 1-day rental will now be 2% of the ship's total price or something like that.

An enterprising Citizen has calculated what that actually means for ship prices: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F56ZCKsh1JKYfvh6eQrwfyAvNifj2ShrQ7P4PDL2T-Q/edit#gid=0

If this goes live as-is, people will be able to check out any of the starter ships for less than one mission's full payout. Many of the 200+ dollar ships could be picked up with the equivalent of a couple of hours of work. To be honest, if it weren't for the PU resetting every 3 months, this would feel like a very good place for ship rental prices to be. Given how lazy Citizens are, I doubt it would even impact the ship store very much- most of them wouldn't think twice about dropping 500 bucks or whatever to avoid having to actually play the game for any length of time.

chaosapiant posted:

What is the ship buying stuff supposed to look like, supposedly, when this game...ahem..."launches"? Like, if a ship costs $800 of real world dollars, but another player can earn it in the same time an Elite player can earn, say, an Anaconda, won't the $800 dollar poorer person be both poorer and mad? And if the $800 ship is a totally awesome ship worth the price...somehow....isn't that the absolute worst form of pay to win? I'm not sure I understand the intent.

Sarsapariller posted:

So apparently CIG has swung back hard in the opposite direction on rental prices- a 1-day rental will now be 2% of the ship's total price or something like that.

An enterprising Citizen has calculated what that actually means for ship prices: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F56ZCKsh1JKYfvh6eQrwfyAvNifj2ShrQ7P4PDL2T-Q/edit#gid=0

If this goes live as-is, people will be able to check out any of the starter ships for less than one mission's full payout. Many of the 200+ dollar ships could be picked up with the equivalent of a couple of hours of work. To be honest, if it weren't for the PU resetting every 3 months, this would feel like a very good place for ship rental prices to be. Given how lazy Citizens are, I doubt it would even impact the ship store very much- most of them wouldn't think twice about dropping 500 bucks or whatever to avoid having to actually play the game for any length of time.

Hav posted:

We lost the stupid console thread and I don’t know where to pop this.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/25/atari_retro_console/

quote:

Pro tip: When you’re removed as a Reddit moderator, you may want to review your life choices

Sarsapariller posted:

So apparently CIG has swung back hard in the opposite direction on rental prices- a 1-day rental will now be 2% of the ship's total price or something like that.

An enterprising Citizen has calculated what that actually means for ship prices: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F56ZCKsh1JKYfvh6eQrwfyAvNifj2ShrQ7P4PDL2T-Q/edit#gid=0

If this goes live as-is, people will be able to check out any of the starter ships for less than one mission's full payout. Many of the 200+ dollar ships could be picked up with the equivalent of a couple of hours of work. To be honest, if it weren't for the PU resetting every 3 months, this would feel like a very good place for ship rental prices to be. Given how lazy Citizens are, I doubt it would even impact the ship store very much- most of them wouldn't think twice about dropping 500 bucks or whatever to avoid having to actually play the game for any length of time.

MedicineHut posted:

Presume CIG is doing this because they either have realised that jpg purchases are not sensitive to rental prices and have thrown the towel or precisely because they want to test how sensitive they are when citizens can get most ships without paying.

Popete posted:

That's always been the dilemma, if they balance this game so that a regular player could reasonably earn the expensive ships then they will piss off their whales (which is basically all that's left). There is no reasonable way to "balance" ships that you're charging hundreds of dollars for, someone is going to get screwed over.

Either they balance it to the point that no one would ever pay real money for the ships and their cash flow drys up, or they make it impossible to earn ships in game and no one bothers playing.

Thoatse posted:

Nice

Popete posted:

I'm actually pretty curious what the response will be, I'm sure a lot of angry backers feeling betrayed but eventually they'll say "I was only funding development!".

This has been a reckoning a long time coming.

Sanya Juutilainen posted:

Red Alert 2 cutscenes, though... I think those were my favourite cutscenes ever, even if Yuri was Kane rip-off, kinda.

Thoatse posted:

Nice

chaosapiant posted:

What is the ship buying stuff supposed to look like, supposedly, when this game...ahem..."launches"? Like, if a ship costs $800 of real world dollars, but another player can earn it in the same time an Elite player can earn, say, an Anaconda, won't the $800 dollar poorer person be both poorer and mad? And if the $800 ship is a totally awesome ship worth the price...somehow....isn't that the absolute worst form of pay to win? I'm not sure I understand the intent.

Popete posted:

Yeah this has to be a test by CIG to see how the whales respond to "plebes" having access to their $800 JPEGs. CIG likely understands that in order for this game to ever have mainstream success they can't rely on overpriced ship sales and players will expect to reasonably be able to earn ships in game so they have to essential under-cut the whales and hope they don't get too upset.

I'm actually pretty curious what the response will be, I'm sure a lot of angry backers feeling betrayed but eventually they'll say "I was only funding development!".

This has been a reckoning a long time coming.

Hav posted:

We lost the stupid console thread and I don’t know where to pop this.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/25/atari_retro_console/

Tokamak posted:

Amazing how they can't implement any mechanics, yet manage to whip something up when they have a $150-$200, low-mid tier, suck rear end utility/industrial ship that wouldn't otherwise sell. The Prospector was a great example of poo poo that nobody would buy, but oh look, it has a laser that breaks up rocks!

Sarsapariller posted:

So apparently CIG has swung back hard in the opposite direction on rental prices- a 1-day rental will now be 2% of the ship's total price or something like that.

An enterprising Citizen has calculated what that actually means for ship prices: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F56ZCKsh1JKYfvh6eQrwfyAvNifj2ShrQ7P4PDL2T-Q/edit#gid=0

If this goes live as-is, people will be able to check out any of the starter ships for less than one mission's full payout. Many of the 200+ dollar ships could be picked up with the equivalent of a couple of hours of work. To be honest, if it weren't for the PU resetting every 3 months, this would feel like a very good place for ship rental prices to be. Given how lazy Citizens are, I doubt it would even impact the ship store very much- most of them wouldn't think twice about dropping 500 bucks or whatever to avoid having to actually play the game for any length of time.

Sarsapariller posted:

So apparently CIG has swung back hard in the opposite direction on rental prices- a 1-day rental will now be 2% of the ship's total price or something like that.

An enterprising Citizen has calculated what that actually means for ship prices: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F56ZCKsh1JKYfvh6eQrwfyAvNifj2ShrQ7P4PDL2T-Q/edit#gid=0

If this goes live as-is, people will be able to check out any of the starter ships for less than one mission's full payout. Many of the 200+ dollar ships could be picked up with the equivalent of a couple of hours of work. To be honest, if it weren't for the PU resetting every 3 months, this would feel like a very good place for ship rental prices to be. Given how lazy Citizens are, I doubt it would even impact the ship store very much- most of them wouldn't think twice about dropping 500 bucks or whatever to avoid having to actually play the game for any length of time.

Beet Wagon posted:

This is so wildly unlike CIG that I can only assume it is either a mistake or they are desperately trying to get server populations up or something.

I mean I guess it could be that rentals don't really impact their sales but it's hard to see how.

Beet Wagon posted:

This is so wildly unlike CIG that I can only assume it is either a mistake or they are desperately trying to get server populations up or something.

I mean I guess it could be that rentals don't really impact their sales but it's hard to see how.

Quavers posted:

Sanya Juutilainen posted:

If this goes live, somebody will go cray cray, because this is absolutely insane to the other side indeed. Do one mission, rent a better ship, do another mission (better?) in it or haul some cargo (supposed it's stable by then - haha) and rent end-game ship, do stuff in it that allows you to buy it indefinitely.

I can see people getting end-game money-making ships over a day or weekend with this approach, meaning the other ships (like 890J and such) won't be luxurious, because once you have THE meta money-making ship, you can get any ship you want fast (sorta like current newbie void opal progression in Elite - Sidewinder => Adder => Python => money for anything you want)

Quavers posted:

Farm UEC exploit, rent Aurora, suicide-gank whales, repeat

FailureToReport posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n599Yhwacic

I did a thing, because I need attention.......and because I can't stop laughing at how many backers still haven't realized this ship is one giant troll-machine. The only thing better is CIG in spectrum chat trying to play it down.

I don't normally post my own crap anywhere, but I really wanna hurry this hornet's nest up versus waiting for backers to have their light bulb moment over due time.