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sweet thursday posted:I'm just going to come out and say it, I don't care how controversial it is. I actually really like Canada too. I appreciate that I was able to raise my kids in a place with ridiculously low crime, no really deadly flora or fauna, no natural disasters (other than a couple of lovely ice storms), a decent social safety net, decent health care, and very little racism. I liked Canada a bit less when Harper was in power and social policies were going backwards, and I'm not looking forward to Scheer and his gaggle of white supremacists trying to turn back the clock on social progress and failing because they're a minority government. I feel deeply ashamed about how horribly we've treated the First Nations, especially with respect to the missing women, but we still manage to have a better track record than some other countries I could name. All in all I feel like Canada is a country I can be proud of.
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Sep 25, 2019 12:55
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Yeah, putting on my serious poster hat, Canada definitely has room for improvement and our politicians should definitely have their feet held to the coals (although the non-staining kind of coal for Trudeau), but we definitely have a lot less of the bad poo poo than the vast majority of other countries.
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Sep 25, 2019 12:58
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univbee posted:Yeah, putting on my serious poster hat, Canada definitely has room for improvement and our politicians should definitely have their feet held to the coals (although the non-staining kind of coal for Trudeau), but we definitely have a lot less of the bad poo poo than the vast majority of other countries. *if you're white
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Sep 25, 2019 13:18
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Sep 25, 2019 14:28
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Another Bill posted:*if you're white True. But my point still stands. Is a person of color/aboriginal going to be subject to less racism in the United States or Europe? Actually somewhat of a legit question, in which parts of the developed world would a non-white person be least victimized by racism? Definitely not treated well in Canada, to be clear, a lot of work to be done there.
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Sep 25, 2019 15:06
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much like during the initial colonial era, canada is perhaps better than most (recall that the last election was more-or-less won off the back of which party made the most magnanimous offer to accept syrian refugees), but it's still pretty loving bad for marginalized groupsunivbee posted:But my point still stands. Is a person of color/aboriginal going to be subject to less racism in the United States or Europe? i would imagine that this is less a matter of nation and more a matter of location: if you settle in an area that's had a historically high population of people who share your ethnicity, you're less likely to be systemically discriminated against (at least on a local level). nation doesn't seem to matter as much in terms of broad strokes - blacks still face increased levels of police discrimination in the UK, for example the united states almost feels difficult to bring into the discussion in this era because it's such an incredible statistical outlier, to the point that it's a little too easy to dismiss real issues with racism in a place like canada by saying, "at least our officers don't randomly shoot several black kids dead a month"
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Sep 25, 2019 15:55
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there's an article I read years ago and have never been able to find again, written by a black academic who grew up in I think Nova Scotia, then moved to the US as an adult. The article discussed his experience of racism in both countries. In the US he said the racism was overt, white people would happily insult him to his face in racial terms, openly discuss their hatred for other races, and so on. But also a lot of people wouldn't do that, and would actively fight back when others did so. In Canada it was the opposite, everyone was overtly polite towards him but nonetheless treated him as an outsider, as someone who didn't belong, and he got the sense that they were constantly excluding him from things, holding him back, and talking about him behind his back even though they went to great lengths to not show it when he was around. And no one ever stood up for him against that kind of racism. His conclusion was that even though the US was more overtly racist, he actually preferred living there to living in Canada, because he could face up to the overt racism, fight back against it, and find a community of like-minded people who didn't treat him that way, while in Canada the racism was still there and still just as harmful, but it was all hidden and therefore impossible to organize against, just a non-stop degradation of being told you don't belong by the way people treat you even though they don't openly call you the n-word.
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Sep 25, 2019 16:21
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I'm just so incredibly frustrated by the electorate's inability to look more than 2 years down the road, and inability to understand why the programs they want to destroy were implemented in the first place. They can't consider the long term cost of their short term planning, and things the only viable political parties offer cater to that need, with their own greedy shortsightedness on top. I would be long dead had i lived in the states and i am grateful for what this country has provided me and continues to provide me, but right now it's extremely hard to see any sort of a future. I appreciate the generous government programs keeping me alive, but deplore the decades of right wing policy that made my reliance on them necessary. This is compounded by the conservatives transparent self-serving nature, and destructive populist policies. In considering the value system somebody would need to support someone who has promised to do them harm, it begins to feel like i need to adopt their selfishness for the sake of my own mental health because the alternative is screaming at a concrete wall while they carry on with the destruction of our civilization, our society, and our planet. I can't, however, force myself to do it when i consider that i may be taking my frustrations out on the 1 in 4 people who aren't contributing to the destruction. It is just so painfully defeating to see things being done the wrong, more expensive way, purely out of spite. People complaining about needles, then fighting against legal consumption sites. Protesting against homeless shelters then complaining about tents. Voting for the party of zero corporate taxes, then complaining about hospital wait times. Railing against a living minimum wage because their own pay is inadequate. Yes these problems are global, but each one has it's own unique Canadian twist that people are somehow proud of. Their safe streets, their home values, their free healthcare, and their Tim loving Hortons. We can't even get a single part in power to address the quality of life issues we universally agree on. We can't have nationalized pharmacare when nobody is happy with the price of their medication. We can't address the abuses by our telecoms when nobody is happy with their phone bill, or the service it provides. We can't tax billionaires or corporations when nobody is happy with their disproportionate tax burden. Come election day you could sit and break down the effects of every part of the conservative platform for people, and they would be either neutral or against each and every aspect, but they'll still vote straight C because that's their team. People kept alive by socialism in this country have been trained by toxic bleed over from the states to believe socialism is absolute evil. You would think with a smaller population, there would be less of an angry mob effect but a shared culture with the angriest of mobs has poisoned the well. Add to that the right wing conspiracy nuts looking for order in chaos on the left, while the right openly flaunts it's global co-ordination with the IDU and the Wilkes/Koch brother's meddling in everything everywhere. We can see progressive policies working, and conservative policies failing worldwide. Portugal's decriminalization of drugs, Finland's progressive school system, Germany's rent control and labour protections. Contrast that with Kansas's corporate tax rate, Brazil's environmental and indigenous protections, Russia's............everything. People here seem to lack the imagination to even consider applying those solutions to our own problems. Instead of seeing what works and exploring it's implementation, they only look for results that re-enforce their views. They'll take the one study saying vaccines are bad for the thousand that say they're good, if that was the conclusion they came to before even giving it any thought. That, again, happens globally, but again has it's unique canadian twist. I appreciate that it can be difficult to reconcile opposing positions when you benefit from the worst one. Connecting the cost of living to your home equity gains, enviromental issues to oilfield work when it's all that is available, or the tax burden that comes with socialized medicine if you've never gotten a medical bill, or dealt with a serious illness. There are probably things I am blind to and could be more reasonable about. But we have short sighted voters electing short sighted politicians in this country, and not even a single party with a 100, 50, or even 20 year view to support. Studying the past and observing the present leaves me very little hope for the future. It's true that most people today live better than people in any other time in history, but the forces seeking to reverse that seem to be more powerful than ever. Leaders who personally saw the horrors of war made every effort to avoid it, eaders who have never been challenged in their life see no harm in dismantling the structures those men built. So while there are worse countries, there are also much better ones. While Canada is doing pretty good with regards to most issues, it could be doing a whole lot better with very little effort. I realize this is the more lighthearted Canada thread, and i promise i'll make up for it in my next post.
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Sep 25, 2019 16:46
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Penance for sadposting in the c-spam thread. Didn't come out as good as i hoped. 
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Sep 25, 2019 17:02
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I'm from Quebec, where we hate the federal government but also hate our provincial government.
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Sep 25, 2019 17:11
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MonsieurChoc posted:I'm from Quebec, where we hate the federal government but also hate our provincial government. Could you compile a comprehensive and detailed list of things the Quebecois do not hate?
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Sep 25, 2019 17:12
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Powershift posted:Could you compile a comprehensive and detailed list of things the Quebecois do not hate? Beer. Hockey. Poutine. Rock et Belles Oreilles. Anime.
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Sep 25, 2019 17:49
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MonsieurChoc posted:Beer. Ah, so Molson, the Leafs, A&W, and pokemans
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Sep 25, 2019 18:14
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I'm Quebecois and I hate anime and hockey. Even more so when they're combined. I submit that we simply hate everything except beer and poutine. edit: A&W poutine is awful.
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Sep 25, 2019 18:19
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Powershift posted:I'm just so incredibly frustrated by the electorate's inability to look more than 2 years down the road, and inability to understand why the programs they want to destroy were implemented in the first place. They can't consider the long term cost of their short term planning, and things the only viable political parties offer cater to that need, with their own greedy shortsightedness on top. I would be long dead had i lived in the states and i am grateful for what this country has provided me and continues to provide me, but right now it's extremely hard to see any sort of a future. I appreciate the generous government programs keeping me alive, but deplore the decades of right wing policy that made my reliance on them necessary. Have you ever entertained the thought that most people know what they are voting for and they want to get hosed?
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Sep 25, 2019 18:39
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Fried Watermelon posted:Have you ever entertained the thought that most people know what they are voting for and they want to get hosed? That’s what I put in my dating profile
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Sep 25, 2019 18:44
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can’t believe people are jerking off Canada in the Canada c-spam thread. if this country didn’t have healthcare we’d be way worse than the rest of the stolen land countries. Regina and Winnipeg alone probably have more racism concentrated in those two cities than the entire colonial world combined
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Sep 25, 2019 18:47
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Fried Watermelon posted:Have you ever entertained the thought that most people know what they are voting for and they want to get hosed? I did, but then this https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/8/18173678/trump-shutdown-voter-florida quote:“I voted for him, and he’s the one who’s doing this,” Minton told Mazzei. “I thought he was going to do good things. He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.” I concluded that they aren't smart enough to connect burning down their neighbor's house to their own house catching fire.
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Sep 25, 2019 18:49
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vyelkin posted:there's an article I read years ago and have never been able to find again, written by a black academic who grew up in I think Nova Scotia, then moved to the US as an adult. The article discussed his experience of racism in both countries. In the US he said the racism was overt, white people would happily insult him to his face in racial terms, openly discuss their hatred for other races, and so on. But also a lot of people wouldn't do that, and would actively fight back when others did so. In Canada it was the opposite, everyone was overtly polite towards him but nonetheless treated him as an outsider, as someone who didn't belong, and he got the sense that they were constantly excluding him from things, holding him back, and talking about him behind his back even though they went to great lengths to not show it when he was around. And no one ever stood up for him against that kind of racism. His conclusion was that even though the US was more overtly racist, he actually preferred living there to living in Canada, because he could face up to the overt racism, fight back against it, and find a community of like-minded people who didn't treat him that way, while in Canada the racism was still there and still just as harmful, but it was all hidden and therefore impossible to organize against, just a non-stop degradation of being told you don't belong by the way people treat you even though they don't openly call you the n-word. I remember reading this too and it was really good. In my mind it goes one step further, in that Canadian white people are so polite as to be terrified to talk about race at all. As a result, the only white people I hear talk about racism (outside of universities) are the racists, and they fill that vacuum as aggressively as they can. I'd rather (and I'm a super WASP so call me out this anyone) people talk about it, make mistakes and learn from them than not talk about racism at all. Because it's a white problem, we need to be the ones dealing with it instead of expecting people from those communities to have the responsibility of always pointing the finger (in the proper direction, at us). And we can't do that if everyone's too polite or in my opinion afraid to even broach the subject. Another Bill has issued a correction as of 19:56 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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Sep 25, 2019 19:53
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SpacePope posted:I'm Quebecois and I hate anime and hockey. Even more so when they're combined. I submit that we simply hate everything except beer and poutine. Start singing the Cités d'Or theme song in a crowded, see what happens.
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Sep 25, 2019 20:32
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Another Bill posted:I remember reading this too and it was really good. In my mind it goes one step further, in that Canadian white people are so polite as to be terrified to talk about race at all. As a result, the only white people I hear talk about racism (outside of universities) are the racists, and they fill that vacuum as aggressively as they can. We live in a cancel culture, there is no way people will ever feel comfortable openly learning to be less racist. Like the thing you're looking for is destigmatizing racism.
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Sep 25, 2019 22:36
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will somebody take away this guys guns away already
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Sep 25, 2019 22:39
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Thought we were talking about the other dumb racists, not the gun confiscation advocates
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Sep 25, 2019 22:43
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Jehde posted:We live in a cancel culture, totally not a reactionary you guys
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Sep 25, 2019 22:59
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#CancelManitoba Let’s make it happen
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Sep 25, 2019 23:02
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Jehde posted:We live in a cancel culture, there is no way people will ever feel comfortable openly learning to be less racist. Like the thing you're looking for is destigmatizing racism. Another Bill posted:I remember reading this too and it was really good. In my mind it goes one step further, in that Canadian white people are so polite as to be terrified to talk about race at all. As a result, the only white people I hear talk about racism (outside of universities) are the racists, and they fill that vacuum as aggressively as they can. Y'all not have POC friends? I've had some really enlightening conversations with mine. Like, don't just talk about race with them, but they are often more than happy to char about things/their experiences. Be respectful and accept criticism gracefully and you will be fine.
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Sep 25, 2019 23:03
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proving the pro-gun person's point right to own the... wait what are we doing here?
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Sep 25, 2019 23:03
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*puts on glasses* *checks notes* *clears throat* me, a super smart person: actually its cancel cultures fault that racism exists
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Sep 25, 2019 23:11
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cancel culture doesn’t exist or else the rapist president and racist prime minister would actually get in trouble
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Sep 25, 2019 23:12
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cancel culture is conservatives reading the first 10 replies on their twitter posts and declaring censorship
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Sep 25, 2019 23:13
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Virtual Russian posted:Y'all not have POC friends? I've had some really enlightening conversations with mine. Like, don't just talk about race with them, but they are often more than happy to char about things/their experiences. Be respectful and accept criticism gracefully and you will be fine. had a conversation with a poc (fuerdai variant) about how rent control, vacancy taxes, and social welfare are all bad. very enlightening conversation.
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mila kunis posted:had a conversation with a poc (fuerdai variant) about how rent control, vacancy taxes, and social welfare are all bad. very enlightening conversation. So no POC friends then?
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Sep 25, 2019 23:31
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Jealous of fuerdai privilege.
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Make Manitoba the Red River Colony Again #CancelManitoba #MMRRCA
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Sep 26, 2019 00:33
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Virtual Russian posted:Y'all not have POC friends? I've had some really enlightening conversations with mine. Like, don't just talk about race with them, but they are often more than happy to char about things/their experiences. Be respectful and accept criticism gracefully and you will be fine. 100%. A little humility goes a long way. Anyways, I'm not pretending to have any great answers. Like I say, in my experience most white people are terrified to even talk about racism unless its to say something racist. And I don't know what to do about that, because white people talking to other white people about racism and the structures that support it are exactly the conversations that need to be happening.
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Sep 26, 2019 00:41
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drjuggalo posted:can’t believe people are jerking off Canada in the Canada c-spam thread. if this country didn’t have healthcare we’d be way worse than the rest of the stolen land countries. Regina and Winnipeg alone probably have more racism concentrated in those two cities than the entire colonial world combined who could forget the horrors of the plains rubber plantations
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Sep 26, 2019 00:56
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Powershift posted:Make Manitoba the Red River Colony Again I live here and I say.... Hell yeah.
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Colonialism sux. Replace Red River Colony with the Legislative Assembly of Assiniboia instead and I'm down.
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