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jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

godzilla in that stalin hoodie

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Flavius Aetass
Mar 30, 2011

Raskolnikov38 posted:

wasn't that the plot of pulgasari

How did the DPRK permit that film to be released when the moral seems so obviously animal farm-ish

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

Flavius Aetass posted:

How did the DPRK permit that film to be released when the moral seems so obviously animal farm-ish

i took the kaiju in pulgasari to be representative of like, early soviet war communism and the destructive effects of channeling too much of your productive power into pure military strength for too long a time

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013


It's just a complete misunderstanding of how states arise and operate. States are defined by the dominant political forces of society, they're not monsters separate from society with their own alien wills. Rejecting the idea of seizing control of the state is a rejection of political struggle within society. If nothing else, you need enough power to control the state to even conceive of destroying it.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Ferrinus posted:

i took the kaiju in pulgasari to be representative of like, early soviet war communism and the destructive effects of channeling too much of your productive power into pure military strength for too long a time

Oh, so it's Songbun? :smug:

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



hello theory thread, I'm working on an abstract for a conference about the relevance of theories of mutual aid in late-stage monopoly capitalism, and i've only got about four days to put it together which is fine for an abstract, but I'm sort of hurting for more relevant sources. here's the description of the prompt:

http://www.telosinstitute.net/conference2020/

quote:

Although the rise of populism has often been interpreted as the atavistic return of racism and nationalism, the underlying sources have more to do with the collapse of the welfare state model in advanced post-industrial countries, which has resulted in the search for new forms of solidarity that could replace welfare state structures. These structures were first developed in the early twentieth century when a new type of nation-state and industrial economy came into being along with the developing capitalist regime of accumulation. Such a regime brought about the destruction of the existing networks of solidarity—based primarily on family, religious community, and workplace ties—thereby leading the state to intervene in different social services, including health, employment, and senior care, as well as in labor policy regarding such issues as the minimum wage, the length of the working day, retirement, and accident insurance. However, these interventions by the state, whether they responded to labor union protests or arose from anti-socialist preemptive actions by conservative forces, have been accompanied by the growing bureaucratization of its practices, which have come to constitute, along with capitalist commodification, one of today's fundamental sources of inequalities and conflicts.

my plan is to write generally about the idea of the organic externalities capable of raising issues that are genuinely opposed to the prevailing capitalist ethos and their relationship to mutual aid. in grad school I read a lot of a very minor Marxist philosopher named Paul Piccone who developed a pretty interesting theory about the capacity of Liberal capitalism to defang and internalize any opposition to the status quo and thus preclude qualitative change while simultaneously creating parameters and limiting the general discourse to the context and content of a Liberal system. his basic theory was that in order to break the cycle of capitalist expansion and dominance over our ability to even imagine alternatives to hierarchical liberalism, external groups needed to cultivate a radical sense of disjuncture with the existing order, and that basically every major group that characterizes itself as invested in political change is actually a sort of abstractly controlled opposition for the liberal order.

I don't actually think these ideas are the best way to cultivate revolutionary sentiment, but I do think that discussions about the theory of promulgating revolutionary theory, as it were, are really important and interesting. I'm not sure exactly where I'm going to take the paper, but I'd like to basically emphasize the elements of Luke/Piccone/Bookchin/etc that are compatible with more orthodox statist Marxism, particularly the notion that capitalism and it's interests can't be contradicted by the current professional-managerial class. I'd also like to integrate some of Carl Schmitt's ideas from The Concept of the Political and The Crisis of Parliamentary Democracy, because while Schmitt was basically a fascist rear end in a top hat in a lot of ways, he did successfully articulate a lot about why liberal capitalism is so capable of integrating and depoliticizing opposition while ensuring qualitative change to the social order was impossible.

part of these ideas about breaking that cyclical dynamic of opposition->integration->artificial negativity, and cultivating that sense of alienation from monopoly capitalism are predicated on psuedo-Anarachist ideas about the natural inclination of groups of people to engage in mutualist projects when unencumbered by selfish liberal discourses (or, really, when those are replaced by something more "organic"). the most influential Marxist for this group was probably Gramsci or Lukacs, so I'm going to pick up some of their stuff and look for relevant bits, but I'm wondering if anyone in this thread has any recommendations for other sources on this kind of stuff? or a better suggestion for the direction to take this paper?

also I want to hasten to add that I'm not necessarily endorsing this kind of approach to revolutionary theory, I just think it's really interesting and that there's some value buried in there, especially in the age of the internet and the constitution of new types of borderline-external organic communities that these mid-20th century philosophers never really imagined

Frog Act fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Sep 26, 2019

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

i remember war nerd having over a guest who basically told the story as described, lemme see if i can find the episode

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer

Looking for friends, comrade?

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Each red yenta tweet is somehow more horrifying than the last

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos
So is red yenta genuinely bad or is it just one of those things people who pretend to have a fulfilling life make fun of to prove it to themselves?

Captain Billy Pissboy
Oct 25, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo
College Slice

MizPiz posted:

So is red yenta genuinely bad or is it just one of those things people who pretend to have a fulfilling life make fun of to prove it to themselves?

Both. Most of them are fine but some are like this

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
hetero but identifying as queer

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


look at this idiot, this fool, this charlatan who has no understanding of the multiple canons present in the Godzilla film franchise

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

my favorite reply in that thread was someone who was like "Americans always think Godzilla is the good guy." 95% of the Godzilla franchise is Godzilla being the good guy.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


I don't have much on the recommendation front, but I could complain about how lovely that prompt is for a few paragraphs

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Captain Billy Pissboy posted:

Both. Most of them are fine but some are like this


that's a parody submission, but it's hard to tell the difference sometimes

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


Larry Parrish posted:

hetero but identifying as queer

I encountered this type a lot when I lived in Seattle

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Mr. Lobe posted:

I encountered this type a lot when I lived in Seattle

im pretty sure this is just the technical term for being white

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


Larry Parrish posted:

im pretty sure this is just the technical term for being white

young white liberal anyway, it's very much a generational thing

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
I mean they could be genderqueer or trans but heterosexual, although that phrasing implies otherwise.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
yeah i know what you meant. its really stupid. yeah im bisexual but ive never once been attracted to or had sex with the same sex.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

i know for a fact it's a troll so looks like it worked well lol

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


R. Guyovich posted:

i know for a fact it's a troll so looks like it worked well lol

Didn't personally assume it was real, I expect half or most of things on red yenta are jokes. I just have for-real known cishet people who are like, I'm into BDSM or poly or something and thereby am queer

There's worse and grosser appropriation out there but growing up gay and paranoid in Nebraska I can't help but find it a pet peeve

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



Atrocious Joe posted:

I don't have much on the recommendation front, but I could complain about how lovely that prompt is for a few paragraphs

yeah, telos is a very weird set of people with a specific anti-bureaucratic, anti liberal bent that has led to them allow some truly lovely contributors and ideological segues. I want to participate so more orthodox Marxism continues to be represented there because they’ve spent fifty years contorting themselves away from Marxist thought after feeling disillusioned with the USSR or whatever but they never lost their basic focus on creating an environment for the discussion of anti-capitalist theory which I think owns even if it’s been diminished by intellectual rot and lunatics like Adrian Pabst / John Milbank

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Captain Billy Pissboy posted:

Both. Most of them are fine but some are like this


unabashedly cursed

parody as it might be, this is more real in some circles than one would be lead to believe

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004


playing the tiny bars at the end of a xylophone to emphasize that this person is walking on air and also doing the fluttery twinkle toe walk

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
the favela fire awareness sticky says more about the current conditions of the US than anything recently imo

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/XiangyuRapper/status/1177698625595609088?s=20

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Larry Parrish posted:

the favela fire awareness sticky says more about the current conditions of the US than anything recently imo

Favelas are more prone to destruction by landslides than fire though.

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

Steve Job's corpse just let out a furious shriek

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013


There's a scene in the tv show Dark where a character from 1987 goes to the future of 2020 and the library's digital archive room is all touchscreens with no keyboards. Why the Hell wouldn't you want a keyboard? Touchscreens are disgusting and it's way slower to type.

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

There's a scene in the tv show Dark where a character from 1987 goes to the future of 2020 and the library's digital archive room is all touchscreens with no keyboards. Why the Hell wouldn't you want a keyboard? Touchscreens are disgusting and it's way slower to type.

counter-point: spot tapping is way better than dragging around a mouse or loving around with a pad/ball, plus touchscreen laptops still have keyboards and there are keyboards that work with tablets

basically please don't question Juche you loving revisionist

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

I will never accept that a touchscreen is somehow easier than using a mouse. It is way faster to just move your wrist and fingers than physically lifting your hand to touch a screen.

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
Its dependent on how the gui is designed. Regular windows and browsers and all mouse oriented, so it'll always make sense to use a mouse.

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer
Alexa, commence revolution.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Plutonis posted:

Favelas are more prone to destruction by landslides than fire though.

I was just stealing the word, really we just have tent cities because the cops break them up and burn the tents and tarps before it becomes a real favela. although the closest one I know of is in a spot that could landslide easily if we get another real rear end winter so

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Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

Larry Parrish posted:

I was just stealing the word, really we just have tent cities because the cops break them up and burn the tents and tarps before it becomes a real favela. although the closest one I know of is in a spot that could landslide easily if we get another real rear end winter so

stop culturally appropriating the impoverished conditions of the developing world, idiot

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