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evilweasel posted:the rebuttal was more to "actually pelosi anticipated that trump would do this" so first off, it's odd you're getting pissy at me claiming i said pelosi was a master tactician. i was specifically disputing a claim she was using more far-sighted tactics than she was actually using.  Also FWIW posting a self-described "dispassionate recital of facts" and then insisting that debate participants (which you are totally uninterested in being) must adopt those facts as a baseline for any further discussion, is injecting yourself into the argument. Not only are you getting into the discussion, you're making yourself a central part of it. MSDOS KAPITAL fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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mdemone posted:Just as fast as Lil Adam Schiff's legs can get him outside. If I were him I'd just read the drat thing out loud to the press. They gonna arrest me? i doubt they leak the report directly but one side or the other is going to immediately leak how helpful/damaging it is for trump
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evilweasel posted:i doubt they leak the report directly but one side or the other is going to immediately leak how helpful/damaging it is for trump Do you expect it to be a hack job by Barr to begin with?
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This makes it all the more obvious how bad Trump would have been if a real crisis hit. He just loving cracks under pressure.
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I wonder why we haven't heard an excuse for the delay of aid, yet. They know what the whistleblower report says, why not get ahead of that part?
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I've dated two Ukrainian-Americans. At one point, one of them told me that one of the reasons she went on a second date with me is that I never once said "The Ukraine" when talking about her homeland and she was impressed that I knew enough to not do that. See? Understanding current Eastern European geopolitics gets you dates, goons.
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Neither of the bolded words describe a single letter of my post if you want to dispute any of the facts feel free but they should be utterly uncontroversial, and knowing what the underlying facts are clearly identifies the two points of dispute: (a) would impeachment have been a political negative; and (b) did she have a moral obligation to move to impeach even if it would be a political negative. people who support pelosi answer (a) yes; (b) no; people who oppose pelosi challenge one or both of those answers. and again, you're complaining about me shutting down an argument that "well what if pelosi knew trump would do something like this, and that's why she was waiting?" no, that's a bad defense of pelosi, because it contradicts known facts and is dumb. your post was pissy and mad because you lept at a "no, pelosi didn't have a secret brilliant plan" post with a "we don't have to believe pelosi was a master tactician like you!!!!" i wasn't saying she was a master tactician, i was arguing against that point!
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theflyingorc posted:If anyone cares about which Democrats haven't come out for impeachment, CNN has a list, but it's a few hours old so like 6 of these are no longer on the fence: Tulsi Gabbard is such an embarrassment goddamn. Like, who the gently caress is her base of support? ahahahahahahahahaha
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Do you expect it to be a hack job by Barr to begin with? if they're transmitting it to the intelligence committees it is probably unredacted, and if so there's little point in putting out a redacted but misleading version later if they just flat-out lie about what the whistleblower says and submit a fake document, well, that would take the cake for the dumbest thing the administration has done today
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Tulsi Gabbard is such an embarrassment goddamn. Like, who the gently caress is her base of support? Her homophobic cultists?
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Gonna do my own research! Rep. Terri Sewell of Alabama quote:“The events surrounding the whistleblower complaint are the final straw in a series of troubling and disconcerting actions by President Trump and his administration. (has called for an inquiry) Rep. Al Lawson of Florida Undecided Rep. Frederica Wilson of Florida No info Rep. Lucy McBath of Georgia Avoiding reporters Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii quote:As many of her House Democratic colleagues decided to back the impeachment of President Donald Trump, Democratic Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard on Tuesday said she doesn't support the move because it would be "terribly divisive" for an "already very divided" United States. WEASELING https://twitter.com/RepLipinski/status/1176942958702186499 Rep. Cheri Bustos of Illinois WILL FOLD IF NEEDED quote:U.S. Rep. Cheri Bustos (D-Moline) said she supports uncovering the truth behind President Donald Trump’s phone call with the Ukranian president, but stopped short of supporting a formal impeachment inquiry. WILL FOLD IF NEEDED quote:Kansas Democratic Rep. Sharice Davids will support House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s call for an impeachment inquiry of President Donald Trump, but she avoided using the word “impeachment” in a statement Tuesday night. GETTABLE quote:U.S. Rep. Jared Golden stopped shy of joining Democratic calls for the impeachment of President Donald Trump for pressing Ukraine’s leader to investigate the son of former Vice President Joe Biden on Tuesday, when party leaders in the House announced an impeachment inquiry would begin. PROBLEM quote:“If anyone thinks a partisan impeachment process would constrain President Trump, they are fooling themselves. Without significant bipartisan support, impeachment proceedings will be a lengthy and divisive action with no resolution,” Peterson, of Minnesota’s Seventh District, said in a statement. quote:WASHINGTON, D.C. (FOX5) -- Nevada Democratic representatives Susie Lee and Steven Horsford said Tuesday the House of Representatives should formally open impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump. PROBLEM quote:U.S. Rep. Jeff Van Drew, D-2nd, remains opposed, citing a lack of clear evidence that Trump tried to pressure the Ukrainian president to investigate Joe Biden’s son, he said Tuesday. NO COMMENT SO FAR Rep. Max Rose of New York MOVING THAT WAY quote:Rep. Max Rose shifted his stance against impeachment Tuesday, saying “all options must be on the table” after the explosive revelations that President Trump may have sought help from Ukraine to smear Joe Biden. PROBLEM quote:The inquiry is premature, Brindisi said, until Congress has more information about a complaint against Trump filed by a U.S. intelligence official who decided to become a whistleblower in the case. WEAK poo poo https://twitter.com/RepKendraHorn/status/1176594934180302848 Rep. Kurt Schrader of Oregon NOTHING HEARD BACK Rep. Conor Lamb of Pennsylvania NONCOMMITTAL Rep. Joe Cunningham of South Carolina lovely quote:But Cunningham said the answer does not lie with impeachment proceedings but a “bipartisan effort” to “get to the bottom” of the allegations. WEAK poo poo quote:Gonzalez reiterated his stance in statement to CNN following the interview, saying he would "seriously consider joining the calls to open an impeachment inquiry" if the complaint isn't handed over. ON THE FENCE quote:On Tuesday, he released a statement that described the need for investigations to continue but stopped short of calling for impeachment. NOT THERE YET quote:“If the decision is made by the President and his Administration to withhold this information from Congress, or if the allegations of his abuse of power are substantiated, I will be placed in a position where I must fulfill my constitutional duty and support impeachment proceedings.” SAME AS EDDIE BERNICE Rep. Ben McAdams of Utah WAIT AND SEE Rep. Ron Kind of Wisconsin GIVE US THE COMPLAINT quote:In a statement Tuesday night, Kind indicated he supported an investigation of the whistleblower complaint behind the Ukraine developments but nowhere used the word "impeachment."
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Literally every person Trump touches goes up in flames it’s amazing
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Lmao what "A difficult time" yeah I would define talking to Trump as that
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ummel posted:This makes it all the more obvious how bad Trump would have been if a real crisis hit. He just loving cracks under pressure. It's not even pressure. He just cracks and spills and oozes and you don't even have to do anything to him. He has spent his whole life loving himself over. It would be sad if it were literally anyone else.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Tulsi Gabbard is such an embarrassment goddamn. Like, who the gently caress is her base of support? horny primary voters
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Tulsi Gabbard is such an embarrassment goddamn. Like, who the gently caress is her base of support? People who (rightfully) oppose U.S. interventionism, but then (wrongly) assume that isolationism is possible or desirable in TYOOL 2019.
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ummel posted:This makes it all the more obvious how bad Trump would have been if a real crisis hit. He just loving cracks under pressure. We have had real crises and literally thousands of Americans have died as a consequence of his incompetent malevolence.
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evilweasel posted:if they're transmitting it to the intelligence committees it is probably unredacted, and if so there's little point in putting out a redacted but misleading version later 
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tulsi's base is thirsty lads. she even posted a thirst trap workout vid on twitter a few days back.
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Zophar posted:We have had real crises and literally thousands of Americans have died as a consequence of his incompetent malevolence. Sorry, external crisis. Think Cuban Missile.
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theflyingorc posted:Rep. Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey What's hosed up about this is he's representing easily the poorest district of NJ. You would think that the voters there would be bluer than blue given that the local news comes from Philly.
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...Zelensky couldn't have been dumb enough to think that's actually how the transcript release would go, right? That's some weak damage control.
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This is the most recent thing i could find with a quick look around on Google for "REP NAME" impeachment Most of the holdouts are from 24 hours ago and said "If he doesn't release the report" Only like 5 people seem hostile to the idea of an official impeachment inquiry
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eviltastic posted:...Zelensky couldn't have been dumb enough to think that's actually how the transcript release would go, right? That's some weak damage control. He probably didn't expect presidential conversations to ever need to be published because he thought he was talking to a human instead of a sentient colostomy bag.
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ummel posted:Sorry, external crisis. Think Cuban Missile. Like that one time he threatened to bring down fire and fury on North Korea
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Tulsi Gabbard is such an embarrassment goddamn. Like, who the gently caress is her base of support? mazie hirono's from hawaii and owns so not ALL hawaiians are nutters, otherwise i'd just assume there's something in the water nationally, tulsi's beloved of particularly stupid tankies, particularly ignorant leftists, particularly ignorant and/or terrible indian-americans, and democrats who really hate muslims and has access to a huge pile of cash from terrible Indian-Americans like, if she came seriously out against modi and his hindutva garbagemonsters, that would be a "gillibrand disses bill clinton for being ein sexmonster" pivot / act of moral courage, because her money lake would probably dry up on the spot edit: also she isn't just not-pro-impeachment, she went on CNN yesterday and said it was a bad dangerous idea  https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1176609680048738305 Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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eviltastic posted:...Zelensky couldn't have been dumb enough to think that's actually how the transcript release would go, right? That's some weak damage control. Zelensky isn't exactly the most seasoned politician, shall we say. He didn't expect to be elected, and he certainly didn't expect the landslide that he got.
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Dr. VooDoo posted:Literally every person Trump touches goes up in flames it’s amazing I used this in the last thread but hell I'm using it again:  "How much do you know about Trump? Because he's rather a tragic case... His FSB file says he's difficult to control; a nice way of saying that everything he touches seems to wither and die"
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Oh I have no desire to get into any of this with you, as it will inevitably devolve into a poo poo-slinging contest with you reading anger and pissiness into my posts where there is only disagreement, and will result in one or possibly both of us catching a probation. Arguing with you is never a productive use of time - all I am doing here is pointing out for anyone else reading, that they do not have to engage in this discussion according to the parameters you've laid out, simply because you insist that they would be idiots not to arguing with me is, generally, a waste of time if your goal is to be right, because i'm right. but if you think you have any shot of arguing with any of those facts, go right ahead, just try not to start off with "stop calling pelosi a 4d chess master!!!!" when i'm explicitly arguing against that, because i'm not going to allow you to misrepresent what i said and i'm going to correct that first. don't whine when you try to start poo poo and i respond: you were wrong about my post, tried to score some dumb points, and are upset it didn't work out. pelosi's actions are very easy to understand, and the points at which people disagree with them are also easy to understand. there is no need to muddy that debate by assuming she opposed impeachment a month ago because she knew this was coming. she opposed impeachment a month ago because she thought impeachment was a bad idea politically a month ago, and wasn't going to impeach unless it was good politically. you don't need to agree with her on either point to agree that was her thinking on the subject.
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Majorian posted:Zelensky isn't exactly the most seasoned politician, shall we say. He didn't expect to be elected, and he certainly didn't expect the landslide that he got. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servant_of_the_People So when his political instincts are bad, I can't really blame the guy.
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