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3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Alan Smithee posted:

Jorp owned by man who most definitely doesn’t clean his room

Zizek showed off his digs in a video and he keeps everything in the kitchen cupboards.

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Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

they tried to make me go to rehab, I said "Her genital region was exposed, dimly; it had the appearance of a thick mat of hair. She was stroking herself, absent-mindedly. She walked over to me, with a handful of pubic hair, compacted into something resembling a large artist’s paint-brush. She pushed this at my face. I raised my arm, several times, to deflect her hand; finally, unwilling to hurt her, or interfere with her any farther, I let her have her way. She stroked my face with the brush, gently, and said, like a child, “isn’t it soft?” I looked at her ruined face and said, “yes, Grandma, it’s soft.“"

Doktor Avalanche has issued a correction as of 08:38 on Sep 26, 2019

Goast
Jul 23, 2011

by VideoGames

Jerry Cotton posted:

Zizek showed off his digs in a video and he keeps everything in the kitchen bookcases

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Jorp probably loves rehab because the therapists there have to listen to his inane ramblings.

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

Doctor Jeep posted:

they tried to make go to rehab, I said "Her genital region was exposed, dimly; it had the appearance of a thick mat of hair. She was stroking herself, absent-mindedly. She walked over to me, with a handful of pubic hair, compacted into something resembling a large artist’s paint-brush. She pushed this at my face. I raised my arm, several times, to deflect her hand; finally, unwilling to hurt her, or interfere with her any farther, I let her have her way. She stroked my face with the brush, gently, and said, like a child, “isn’t it soft?” I looked at her ruined face and said, “yes, Grandma, it’s soft.“"

i got too many words in before remember what you were quoting and now i'm sick again

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug

Doctor Jeep posted:

they tried to make go to rehab, I said "Her genital region was exposed, dimly; it had the appearance of a thick mat of hair. She was stroking herself, absent-mindedly. She walked over to me, with a handful of pubic hair, compacted into something resembling a large artist’s paint-brush. She pushed this at my face. I raised my arm, several times, to deflect her hand; finally, unwilling to hurt her, or interfere with her any farther, I let her have her way. She stroked my face with the brush, gently, and said, like a child, “isn’t it soft?” I looked at her ruined face and said, “yes, Grandma, it’s soft.“"

please tell me someone had that jorp robot recite this passage and recorded it.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Jorp probably loves rehab because the therapists there have to listen to his inane ramblings.

nah because he likes people to pay HIM for them to listen to his poo poo

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Alan Smithee posted:

Jorp owned by man who most definitely doesn’t clean his room

self-owned

uber_stoat posted:

please tell me someone had that jorp robot recite this passage and recorded it.

the real jorp said it, it's in one of his books and he voiced the audiobook

Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

Ague Proof posted:

self-owned


the real jorp said it, it's in one of his books and he voiced the audiobook

I’m about to vomit for so many reasons

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!
dude

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!
the only thing that matches this feeling is when I read the Pear Shaped Man by George RR Martin.

Flavius Aetass
Mar 30, 2011

Intel&Sebastian posted:

the only thing that matches this feeling is when I read the Pear Shaped Man by George RR Martin.

i didn't know he wrote an autobiography

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
The post shaped man

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

SpaceSDoorGunner posted:

I’m about to vomit for so many reasons

:nws:
https://clyp.it/z1kjixdv

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/IGD_News/status/1177021212809207808

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug

HELL YEAH!

edit: I looked it up and the bit immediately after the grandma pubes has Jorp killing a bear with an axe. psychology much?

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
some interesting things in that about PF:

+ their membership is fairly stable, but not increasing. currently 130, down from 140 two years ago

+ extremely paranoid. members can't hang out with each other or even possess each other's phone numbers

+ they're planning a coordinated flyer campaign on college campuses this weekend. members are encouraged not to wear masks, which attracts attention; but hats, sunglasses and gloves to cover fingerprints

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
good news

https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/1176913511622086656

IWW Online Branch
Apr 20, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Doctor Jeep posted:

they tried to make go to rehab, I said "Her genital region was exposed, dimly; it had the appearance of a thick mat of hair. She was stroking herself, absent-mindedly. She walked over to me, with a handful of pubic hair, compacted into something resembling a large artist’s paint-brush. She pushed this at my face. I raised my arm, several times, to deflect her hand; finally, unwilling to hurt her, or interfere with her any farther, I let her have her way. She stroked my face with the brush, gently, and said, like a child, “isn’t it soft?” I looked at her ruined face and said, “yes, Grandma, it’s soft.“"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZsfTWqqKKM

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

+ extremely paranoid. members can't hang out with each other or even possess each other's phone numbers

....this is just a government operation, isn't it.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Hellsau posted:

....this is just a government operation, isn't it.
get a group to do stuff that makes them feel like they're doing stuff that in fact makes no difference and also structured in a way to prevent them from coming together and building a real movement? and then periodically using them to harass anarchist bookfairs? a win / win

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Are they going to take pictures and then immediately take their fliers down like they usually do?

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Are they going to take pictures and then immediately take their fliers down like they usually do?
they leave the flyers but it's very gee thomas what do you wanna do tonight?

thomas: the same thing we do every night, pinky...

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I can’t imagine all 130 of them are going to go out on a Friday night, given that none of them have probably ever gone out on a Friday night.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
it's clever in a kind of high-wire-act sort of way where they're trying to balance "doing stuff" with not getting doxxed. they still screw it up from time to time, but it looks like this fusion of top-down authoritarian control by the leader and this anonymous membership which allows for a greater degree of security at the cost of being unable to self-generate praxis, because the leader doesn't trust his own people enough to allow them to do it. the members are simply told what to do, which is put up flyers on a regular basis in their area, or if there is an action they are told when / where to be at the spot. and that's designed to create imagery for social media.

when they showed up at the anarchist bookfair in texas a few weeks ago, i'd reckon a lot of the people there had never met in person before but were told to get to a spot where they rehearsed how to stand, what to shout on command for the camera, etc. "positions, people! positions!" then they loaded up in the truck -- rented for the event -- and then went ahead with the action. the whole thing timed with a stopwatch, then leave, return to the rally point and disperse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMK6lzmSk2o&t=4s

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
charlottesville was also important here. P.F. exists because it's a rebrand from vanguard america, which was the group thomas was leading when fields drove his car into the crowd -- he was also wearing the group's uniform and holding a shield with their logo (the group took the shield with them and apparently it's a prized memento). changing the image is an act of obfuscation but he can't run from that forever, because the plaintiffs' attorneys in sines v. kessler eventually tracked down the former leader after the judge threatened to sic the U.S. marshals on him for not complying with a court-ordered deposition (the organization is being sued). that guy said thomas had already kicked him out by then in an internal coup d'etat, and the former leader hadn't gone to cville, which is true (thomas did, and led the vanguard group), so the attorneys went back to the judge who agreed to them them depose thomas. so he must, eventually, tell the attorneys everything he knows about the planning for cville and do it on the public record and comply with any relevant requests for records. if he doesn't comply, odds are the judge will send the marshals after him too and lock him up until he complies. and he's already ignored one subpoena which doesn't do him any favors with the judge.

note this is federal court.

did he know fields? maybe. maybe not. maybe fields went off half-cocked and it was such a disaster that thomas doesn't want that to happen again, hence the culture of extreme paranoia and rigid control over what members can / cannot do. can hardly blame him since these are neo-nazis we're talking about and they want to hurt and kill people. so P.F.'s tactics are designed to bait situations where they can hurt people and be certain of the outcome. targeting anarchist bookfairs for harassment is good for them because if anyone attacks them, they get to do violence "in self-defense" and get away with it, and are not going to be sticking around long enough to deal with the cops if they show up.

anarchists also position outside the mainstream which makes them convenient targets of opportunity. generally i think radical organizations try to fill a "lane" and P.F. is trying to occupy the center lane within the nazi scene, which places them outside the mainstream, but they are to the "left" so to speak of the atomwaffen people who try to create an environment for self-generating terrorists in a spontaneous way: those guys are on the far right of the nazi scene... as far as you can go. i'm just riffing though and this is a bit of simple "spectrum" analysis, and a lot of the people involved move around between different groups or have contradictory views.

AmIM wants to exist on the left side of that lane, which would put them on the far right of the mainstream -- at least i think that's their goal. richard spencer was trying to do this as well. they don't cover their faces and want to present as good boys, will try to lure reporters into interviewing the leader, show up at CPAC, etc. but at the same time their few events have been copied from european neo-nazi groups (flares, etc.) who emulated the look of football hooligans, so it's just weird.

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 04:43 on Sep 26, 2019

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
incidentally, you can see how these dynamics create the conditions for government agencies to engage in GLADIO-style "strategy of tension" plots. sponsor a far right group to target the far left, which produces tension on the left, as the pressure from the far-right terror works in two directions. the far left can retaliate in kind and in various illicit ways, which contains all kinds of risks, or can move toward the mainstream because being on the far left is too risky, etc. and the far right group doesn't even necessarily need to be aware they're being used by spooks in such a way.

in a way, though, this is why i'm optimistic about groups like the DSA, and if the far right target them the same way they do to anarchists it will not work, and more likely than not it will backfire, because the socialists position on the left (side) of the mainstream, and want to move the mainstream over one slot. they have members who have been elected to congress and as criminal court judges. it would be a bad idea to threaten a criminal court judge, and the kind of bait-and-switch trolling that "this means you're part of the system" i don't think really works on anyone except die-hards who don't do much actual organizing. i'm usually pretty wary of people who make a big show of calling themselves "revolutionaries" on the left anyways more than showing it in their actions.

there are limits to that as revolutionary politics of course. but it's not like we live in 1917 russia or spain in the 1930s either. there's something zizek said once that i like about how the left should stay legal (within the mainstream, in a sense) but be radical in its courage to make big demands that break from the mainstream consensus, and do legal things in surprising ways outside the norms of "decorum" and so forth. now immediately cue my maoist friends saying zizek is a reactionary and that this is bad. but i don't see them doing very much except largely performative things. and this is not something the right -- nor the far right -- has an easy answer to.

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 05:05 on Sep 26, 2019

Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy

Doctor Jeep posted:

they tried to make go to rehab, I said "Her genital region was exposed, dimly; it had the appearance of a thick mat of hair. She was stroking herself, absent-mindedly. She walked over to me, with a handful of pubic hair, compacted into something resembling a large artist’s paint-brush. She pushed this at my face. I raised my arm, several times, to deflect her hand; finally, unwilling to hurt her, or interfere with her any farther, I let her have her way. She stroked my face with the brush, gently, and said, like a child, “isn’t it soft?” I looked at her ruined face and said, “yes, Grandma, it’s soft.“"

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
what is even the context of that poo poo

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Alan Smithee posted:

what is even the context of that poo poo

it was a dream he had and for some strange reason felt compelled to recount in a book he wrote
nothing better to grip the reader's mind than the time you dreamt of grandma sticking a fistful of her pubes in your face

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
if you clean it

they will come

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

there are limits to that as revolutionary politics of course. but it's not like we live in 1917 russia or spain in the 1930s either. there's something zizek said once that i like about how the left should stay legal (within the mainstream, in a sense) but be radical in its courage to make big demands that break from the mainstream consensus, and do legal things in surprising ways outside the norms of "decorum" and so forth. now immediately cue my maoist friends saying zizek is a reactionary and that this is bad. but i don't see them doing very much except largely performative things. and this is not something the right -- nor the far right -- has an easy answer to.
Your Maoist friends' opinions aside, what Zizek says strikes me as correct.

The far right is able to operate far better in explicitly anti-democratic, revolutionary space due to decades of cultural conditioning against leftist movements and in favor of right wing vigilantism, and significant grassroots support within law enforcement and the military for right wing extremism.

I do not see any such support within existing power structures or the public at large for such a movement on the left. Being a revolutionary vanguard presupposes that there is a larger movement behind the vanguard, for whom they are merely the tip of the spear. That kind of movement, at least historically, has come from having a population base that has been oppressed by authority to the point that they have no hope of enfranchisement within the system and feel they have nothing left to lose.

The narrative towards marginalized communities in America seems to trend more towards that we haven't come far enough and that we can and must do better, not that things are worse than ever. Things are really lovely, but I don't think many folks from marginalized communities would prefer to turn back the clock like far right reactionaries would.

However, that same narrative of progress plays directly into the far right feeling that, from their perspective, things are worse than ever. Or, at least they were prior to this recent upwelling of far right violence. It's easy to see how, from the far right perspective, they've been "failed" by the system, which now allows such intolerable things as interracial marriage, forbids the public utterance of racial slurs, and the summary execution of anyone who gets "uppity".

It would take significant retrenchment of civil rights and way more right wing violence before any such feeling would be significant enough on the left to cause a similar movement to manifest. And right now, that doesn't feel inevitable, so all the energy that left revolutionaries expend would be far better served in trying to prevent us from getting to that point.

To use an analogy, they're the climate crisis equivalent of believing that the climate apocalypse is unstoppable so they spend all their time and energy building bunkers while trying to convince everyone to stop trying to change the world and build their own bunkers instead.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
https://twitter.com/nickmartin/status/1176983042381897728?s=19


wasnt he already on probation???? is this double secret probation???

thicc_waluigi
Jan 5, 2019


Not sure if this belongs here or not but these people really love the Muslim Boogeyman

https://twitter.com/realSteveAlex/status/1177237969633255425

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything
https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1177207770845782016
https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1177209824351850497

sleeptalker
Feb 17, 2011

lmfao

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Hellsau posted:

....this is just a government operation, isn't it.

You've heard of leaderless resistance, now introducing friendless resistance

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004




lol, she'd eat him alive but I hope she doesn't give him the time of day

Al! posted:

https://twitter.com/nickmartin/status/1176983042381897728?s=19


wasnt he already on probation???? is this double secret probation???

this is the kind where he becomes an informant

Terminal autist
May 17, 2018

by vyelkin
Hasnt he been a federal informant for years at this point?

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Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.
he's a two time felon who committed multiple violent crimes in multiple states and got probation for them twice, yes he's a federal agent

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