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So the GOP play is probably going to be the whistleblower not having “first-hand” knowledge. But clearly he/she is a high level person tasked with managing Ukrainian intel. Basically everything that happened regarding the country went thru them and their team for analysis and review.
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fatherboxx posted:How did they let all of it leak out so quickly? It was officially released. There is a classified portion that was not released but it appears that the whistleblower separated their report into a classified and unclassified portion.
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Lol things are happening really fast now after three years of Democrats dragging their feet
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Holy poo poo that complaint.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:The active cover up is new. Which is hilarious because there was some Jackass from The Federalist gaslighting on Morning Edition not one hour ago about how "well it may be bad but he's being transparent and there's no cover up so *shrug*". Another BS talking point obliterated in record time.
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Donald's smooth-bore wormhole riddled Benjamin Button brain must be operaying at the level of a 4 year old at this point.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I like how the whistlevlower is saying "this poo poo is in the public news, people" but officially reporting it as a "whistleblower" is what it took to get things moving.
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fatherboxx posted:How did they let all of it leak out so quickly? It wasn't leaked, it was declassified and made public.
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Dude I loving wish the Democrats were committed to destroying the Republican party and all it stands for
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Nunes looks shook AF. Is he still calling it a hoax?
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Retro42 posted:So the GOP play is probably going to be the whistleblower not having “first-hand” knowledge. But clearly he/she is a high level person tasked with managing Ukrainian intel. Basically everything that happened regarding the country went thru them and their team for analysis and review. If the cleaned-up, WH approved version of the transcript hadn't been released, this might have worked for them.
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Angry_Ed posted:Is he still calling it a hoax? Well he's currently in his seat on the House Intel Committee panel but he looks like he just saw a ghost.
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fatherboxx posted:How did they let all of it leak out so quickly? Trump pissed off the entire intelligence apparatus months before he took office and continued to do so for years. This was bound to happen.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:If the whistleblower was in fact someone like Bolton or on his level, he likely told Schiff the IG was withholding it and the push started i think trump is legit deluded enough to think he did nothing wrong.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i assume we can gain access to it and god knows what else from the National Security Council server? Dapper_Swindler posted:thanks. i just think there is probably more bad poo poo on the server. Yeah, they basically hid all the GOP- and career-destroying stuff on the NSC server and hoped that "national security" would cover that. The first thing that needs to happen is the Intel and Def cmte to request access to that server for "national security" reasons.
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Trump sent Rick Perry to meet with Zelensky until he knew that Z would play ball.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Well he's currently in his seat on the House Intel Committee panel but he looks like he just saw a ghost. yeah, i think he knows its hosed. its not like russia where there is "enough muddy water" that he can just lie and scream. its also all direct connections.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i think trump is legit deluded enough to think he did nothing wrong. It's this. He's probably done similar poo poo his whole life and never suffered for it.
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Young Freud posted:Yeah, they basically hid all the GOP- and career-destroying stuff on the NSC server and hoped that "national security" would cover that. The first thing that needs to happen is the Intel and Def cmte to request access to that server for "national security" reasons. i mean they will probably get it too. espcially since its clearly shown to be a cover up.
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Edmund Lava posted:Trump pissed off the entire intelligence apparatus months before he took office and continued to do so for years. This was bound to happen. This wasn't leaked. The URL for it starts with "https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/"
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Trump sent Rick Perry to meet with Zelensky until he knew that Z would play ball. And for even more humor the implication that Rick Perry is the Patsy dumb stooge.
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If anybody is confused about all the little ____ blocks I can explain them! (The bigger ones obviously mean they just erased some poo poo.) Short version is classified information is typically labelled like this: TOP SECRET/FUNNYCODEWORD or abbreviated like TS/XYZ. The first part is just how classified it is in general it is, so to see TOP SECRET information you need to have a TOP SECRET security clearance. The second part means it's part of a special program of some kind, usually some kind of SCI (special compartmented information.) To legally have access to the information you need to have high enough clearance AND be cleared for SCI information in general, AND be granted access to that specific program, which is done on a case-by-case basis if your job requires it. The little blackouts are because the name of the program (or even its abbreviation) is itself classified.
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The crime itself, while bad, isnt anything out of the ordinary for Trump. He's been abusing the office for his personal gain since day 1. The big deal here is a well-documented coverup that is coming from someone inside the administration. The coverup matters more than the crime because it makes him look guilty on a level that a moron can understand. Everyone in their life has done something lovely and tried to cover it up or hide it. It's something that humans have a keen sense of, and when you see someone else doing it you innately know they're guilty. It's much different than the Mueller investigation that focused on technical definitions and legalese that the average person couldn't internalize.
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eggyolk posted:Donald's smooth-bore wormhole riddled Benjamin Button brain must be operaying at the level of a 4 year old at this point. I'd like to see you after *checks notes* FOUR whole days of work!
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i think trump is legit deluded enough to think he did nothing wrong. Right. The complaint makes it seem as if the cover up was the result of other people realizing how bad this was as it was happening. Trump wasn't smart enough to understand that he was doing something wrong that would require a cover up.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean they will probably get it too. espcially since its clearly shown to be a cover up. odds it has been wiped?
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DNI about to testify. https://youtu.be/wNDIOd4Dqa4
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This is a little convoluted, but it’s incredibly damming. Not only did Trump actually lean on Ukraine by withholding aid until Ukraine “play ball”; but there are direct transcripts of this phone call, and it’s not the first time that Trump has potential done something like this because the admin has placed other non-security related transcripts in the national security server.
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Storing the actual transcript on a codeword clearance network is really bad, but the complaint also mentioned that this wasn't the first time that was done. I wanna see all the transcripts now.
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abelwingnut posted:odds it has been wiped? high but that makes it even worse
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:high but that makes it even worse I mean, something like this system is probably not just a USB stick somebody can just pull. That level of security measures comes with a set of strict rules for who can do what and logging.
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Paradoxish posted:Right. The complaint makes it seem as if the cover up was the result of other people realizing how bad this was as it was happening. Trump wasn't smart enough to understand that he was doing something wrong that would require a cover up. 50% Trump and Rudy doing stupid illegal smooth-brained poo poo. 50% staff panicking that they did it ON THE RECORD.
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abelwingnut posted:odds it has been wiped? That would be like the missing 18 minutes of Nixon tapes.
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DNI hearing: https://www.c-span.org/video/?464509-1/acting-director-national-intelligence-maguire-testifies-whistleblower-complaint
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I don't think anybody working for Trump is smart enough to make SCI information vanish without a trace from a sensitive compartmented information facility.BigBallChunkyTime posted:That would be like the missing 18 minutes of Nixon tapes. Also this.
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Rabble posted:This is a little convoluted, but it’s incredibly damming. Not only did Trump actually lean on Ukraine by withholding aid until Ukraine “play ball”; but there are direct transcripts of this phone call, and it’s not the first time that Trump has potential done something like this because the admin has placed other non-security related transcripts in the national security server. Yeah that last bit is probably the biggest "new" information we have. That they've done this with other calls seems like a nice juicy lead for the investigators. I wonder if those files still exist.
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sean10mm posted:I don't think anybody working for Trump is smart enough to make SCI information vanish without a trace from a sensitive compartmented information facility. But is anybody working for Trump smart enough to realize that they aren't smart enough?
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Part of what the whistleblower complaint might show is that the 'transcript' we saw yesterday might be the sanitized version - it would explain the posturing from Trump about what a perfect conversation it was, 'knowing' that what they were going to release would look innocent but also stupidly unaware of how bad it looked anyways.
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