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gh0stpinballa posted:except he did except the prosecutor wasn't investigating Biden's son. "Hunter Biden had joined the board of Burisma in April 2014, the same month that British officials froze Zlochevsky’s London bank accounts containing $23 million. Britain’s Serious Fraud Office, an independent government agency, was conducting a money-laundering investigation and refused to allow Zlochevsky or Burisma Holdings, the company’s chief legal officer, and another company owned by Zlochevsky access to the accounts. But the British money-laundering investigation was stymied by Ukrainian prosecutors’ refusal to cooperate. The Ukrainian prosecutors would not turn over documents needed in the British investigation, and without that documentary evidence, a British court ordered Britain’s Serious Fraud Office to unfreeze the assets." ... “In the case of former Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky, the U.K. authorities had seized $23 million in illicit assets that belonged to the Ukrainian people,” Pyatt [the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine at the time] said. Officials at the prosecutor general’s office, he added, were asked by the United Kingdom “to send documents supporting the seizure. Instead they sent letters to Zlochevsky’s attorneys attesting that there was no case against him. As a result, the money was freed by the U.K. court, and shortly thereafter the money was moved to Cyprus.” ... "The then-vice president issued his demands for greater anti-corruption measures by the Ukrainian government despite the possibility that those demands would actually increase – not lessen — the chances that Hunter Biden and Burisma would face legal trouble in Ukraine." The prosecutor was corrupt as gently caress and everyone was calling for his removal.
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PoopShipDestroyer posted:I feel like Trump will never see any jailtime because even if this whole thing is a slam dunk it will be in the courts for years and, honestly, how much time does he really have left on this earth? i feel like if the feds don't gently caress him(who knows at this point) NY will tear him up.
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LionArcher posted:10 episode mini series on HBO. Craig Mazin (Chernobyl writer) and Aaron Sorkin write every episode (and phoebe weller of fleabag fame punches up the jokes). Directed by David Fincher and the director of Wonder Woman, and maybe one of the directors of game of thrones. They did it for watergate and it was fantastic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AroQdon3ZY (it's on Netflix, go watch it this weekend... it's good) Bring Redford back to play Bob Mueller. mod sassinator fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Sep 26, 2019 |
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Kill Bristol posted:Yes. The dictator’s dilemma (gotta hold on to power or I’m hosed) is a well known thing in comparative politics. It’s distasteful but the best thing to do is probably to offer him some kind of tacit agreement that if he steps down he’ll be free from serious jail time. it is potentially arguable to let trump avoid serious jail time if you jail every enabler he had so that the next president can't get people to carry out illegal orders. however, trump already found the flaw in this plan: his pardon power.
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Bakanogami posted:So what are the potential endgames for this mess? I...don't think the vote is anonymous. I guess it isn't specified in the constitution, but I don't see a universe where they hold an anonymous impeachment vote.
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Wait, six in ten respondents who back impeachment think Trump committed an impeachable offense? Are the other four just like, "He's innocent but impeach him anyway"
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gh0stpinballa posted:biden threatened to do the same if they didn't fire the prosecutor investigating his son tho? Nope. That never happened.
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mod sassinator posted:*womp* *womp* Now we know why the republicans are so silent. They have no idea what to do and nothing that worked in the past is working. 85% of Republicans being against impeachment is a pretty clear message for them not to remove, though. Polls like this aren't promising if the goal is actually removal, although it's at least a bit heartening that Republican support isn't totally static.
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Dr. Red Ranger posted:I don't consider this a spelling mistake honestly Same. Saw it in the preview and left it in.
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Gort posted:Wait, six in ten respondents who back impeachment think Trump committed an impeachable offense? probably a mix of "hail trump" and "idk maybe".
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PoopShipDestroyer posted:I feel like Trump will never see any jailtime because even if this whole thing is a slam dunk it will be in the courts for years and, honestly, how much time does he really have left on this earth? He'll go to spirit jail when he gets to the pearly gates after he is posthumously baptised into the Mormon church
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Paradoxish posted:85% of Republicans being against impeachment is a pretty clear message for them not to remove, though. Polls like this aren't promising if the goal is actually removal, although it's at least a bit heartening that Republican support isn't totally static. Most of them really can't afford to lose the support of 15% of Republicans, that's still pretty scary.
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Critical posted:Quick story, i have been lucky enough to never hear Ben Shapiro speak. Yesterday I was listening to an episode of Reply All he was mentioned in and when i heard his voice i burst out laughing in the office. He sounds exactly like the loving dweeb he is. He's what would happen if you shouted "Well, actually" into a petri dish and let it cultivate into a small human
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Paradoxish posted:85% of Republicans being against impeachment is a pretty clear message for them not to remove, though. Polls like this aren't promising if the goal is actually removal, although it's at least a bit heartening that Republican support isn't totally static. It looked about the same for Nixon. Republicans don't disapprove of Republican presidents they just magically become Independent.
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evilweasel posted:the prosecutor had dropped the investigation into a company associated with his son a year before biden, on behalf of obama and the EU, delivered the message the prosecutor needed to be fired because he wasn't investigating corruption this is not accurate (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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PoopShipDestroyer posted:I feel like Trump will never see any jailtime because even if this whole thing is a slam dunk it will be in the courts for years and, honestly, how much time does he really have left on this earth? But imagine how fun it would be to see him in court in his last years. Just everyday, getting a little more tired everyday, a little more disconnected.
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gh0stpinballa posted:this is not accurate It is, dumb hell fucker
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gh0stpinballa posted:this is not accurate it is
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This. Herstory Begins Now posted:This feels like it is in large part attributable to trump being surrounded by fuckups who wouldn't even make the b team. I'm reminded of an article that came out early on in the trump administration where some operative was like, 'look you gotta understand that literally everyone trump hires is scraping the bottom of the barrel and they have almost no one with practical government experience who even understands how government operates.' Plus this, haveblue posted:It's not so much that the documents are immune to deletion, it's that the documents are now bound to a detailed and unimpeachable paper trail. They can still be deleted but there is no way to delete them quietly, whoever performs the delete will have their name attached to the record of that act and will immediately become a target of the investigation on top of whatever career consequences that might entail. Means that instead of making the crimes not obvious and hidden, what the Trump team did with classified docs makes it super obvious who was in on the plot. I still can’t believe it. This is somehow worse than the scene from the Wire on taking notes on a conspiracy.
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gh0stpinballa posted:this is not accurate Somebody above posted an article from the Intercept. Where are you getting your info from?
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hidden_msg posted:urg ....to give swirly.....rising.... I would seriously donate any amount of money to charity if someone would just stuff Ben Shaprio in a locker, give him a wedgie and a swirly. poo poo, you could probably put it on twitch and make it into a fundraiser.
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Paradoxish posted:85% of Republicans being against impeachment is a pretty clear message for them not to remove, though. Polls like this aren't promising if the goal is actually removal, although it's at least a bit heartening that Republican support isn't totally static. Their base isn't enough to get them elected again. Just look at the upsets that have happened in the last couple years. They're going to lose all the independents they had and probably start losing a bit of the base. That's enough to rattle the hell out of them and I hope make them do something really bold like completely speed through dumping and impeaching Trump to try to salvage something for 2020.
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quote:The prosecutor was corrupt as gently caress and everyone was calling for his removal. nobody is disputing this. but there is no way sleepy joe's drug addled failson came by some random high paying job in ukraine honestly. i think pelosi is smart to call for a narrow inquiry, no telling what the fallout would be if they widened the scope. lots of democrat donors had their hands in the ukrainian pork barrel at that time.
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Yuzenn posted:I would seriously donate any amount of money to charity if someone would just stuff Ben Shaprio in a locker, give him a wedgie and a swirly.
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gh0stpinballa posted:nobody is disputing this. but there is no way sleepy joe's drug addled failson came by some random high paying job in ukraine honestly. i think pelosi is smart to call for a narrow inquiry, no telling what the fallout would be if they widened the scope. lots of democrat donors had their hands in the ukrainian pork barrel at that time. Source?
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gh0stpinballa posted:nobody is disputing this. but there is no way sleepy joe's drug addled failson came by some random high paying job in ukraine honestly.
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...Is the Senate allowed to have anonymous votes? I didn't think that's a thing. Makes intuitive sense for all votes to be a matter of public record anyway.
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gh0stpinballa posted:nobody is disputing this. but there is no way sleepy joe's drug addled failson came by some random high paying job in ukraine honestly. i think pelosi is smart to call for a narrow inquiry, no telling what the fallout would be if they widened the scope. lots of democrat donors had their hands in the ukrainian pork barrel at that time. If only there wasn't like a hundred pages of this thread available to you showing you why you're wrong
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Biden should talk up how cool it is his son bought his own crack. No loving way Eric or Jr. would do that.
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gh0stpinballa posted:nobody is disputing this. but there is no way sleepy joe's drug addled failson came by some random high paying job in ukraine honestly. i think pelosi is smart to call for a narrow inquiry, no telling what the fallout would be if they widened the scope. lots of democrat donors had their hands in the ukrainian pork barrel at that time. lay off the sauce rudy
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theflyingorc posted:I...don't think the vote is anonymous. They can do whatever they want. The rules are totally made up by the Senate once it goes to trial. They just need a majority to change any rule.
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Guze posted:Biden should talk up how cool it is his son bought his own crack. man there's no loving way eric or jr make it through life without a whole shitload of drugs, just look at those vacant eyes
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gh0stpinballa posted:this is not accurate Lol your post history and rap sheet doesn’t really lend any credibility to your ‘actually I’m right and don’t have any evidence’ approach.
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gh0stpinballa posted:nobody is disputing this. but there is no way sleepy joe's drug addled failson came by some random high paying job in ukraine honestly. i think pelosi is smart to call for a narrow inquiry, no telling what the fallout would be if they widened the scope. lots of democrat donors had their hands in the ukrainian pork barrel at that time. Except that isn't the thing you said or what Trump is pushing. It's not about how Hunter got into his position, especially least of all from King Nepotism himself, it's about the claim that Joe Biden got a foreign prosecutor fired to protect his son. You know, this thing you said gh0stpinballa posted:biden threatened to do the same if they didn't fire the prosecutor investigating his son tho? This is fundamentally untrue. The prosecutor was not only not investigating his son he was actively helping the company that Hunter worked for.
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Bakanogami posted:So what are the potential endgames for this mess? It’s going to be #4 barring a dead girl/live boy scenario. But considering how this week has gone....
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theflyingorc posted:I...don't think the vote is anonymous. a voice vote is anonymous, so there's anonymous votes all the time it's just that anyone can call for a recorded vote to confirm the voice vote
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gh0stpinballa posted:nobody is disputing this. but there is no way sleepy joe's drug addled failson came by some random high paying job in ukraine honestly. i think pelosi is smart to call for a narrow inquiry, no telling what the fallout would be if they widened the scope. lots of democrat donors had their hands in the ukrainian pork barrel at that time. How strange that you have a reg date of a couple months ago and you're wandering into this thread to try to get us all to engage with obvious pre-planned talking points.
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Spiritus Nox posted:...Is the Senate allowed to have anonymous votes? I didn't think that's a thing. Makes intuitive sense for all votes to be a matter of public record anyway. They can do standing/voice votes where they don't keep track of who said yay or nay. quote:All voting in Congress is a matter of public record. However, not all floor votes are roll call votes. There are voice votes (“aye” or “no”) and division or standing votes (where the presiding officer counts Members), and these types of votes do not indicate by name how a member voted. https://www.senate.gov/legislative/HowTo/how_to_votes.htm also this Tormented posted:They can do whatever they want. The rules are totally made up by the Senate once it goes to trial. They just need a majority to change any rule.
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gh0stpinballa posted:nobody is disputing this. but there is no way sleepy joe's drug addled failson came by some random high paying job in ukraine honestly. i think pelosi is smart to call for a narrow inquiry, no telling what the fallout would be if they widened the scope. lots of democrat donors had their hands in the ukrainian pork barrel at that time. Oh precious... you've never been around wealthy elite families. Every child from those families is in a cushy worthless job 'randomly'.... err I mean because they pulled themselves up from bootstraps and worked right into it!
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gh0stpinballa posted:nobody is disputing this. but there is no way sleepy joe's drug addled failson came by some random high paying job in ukraine honestly. i think pelosi is smart to call for a narrow inquiry, no telling what the fallout would be if they widened the scope. lots of democrat donors had their hands in the ukrainian pork barrel at that time. Look at those goalposts move. Woosh!
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