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Necrothatcher posted:Is a potential MV4 entirely the work of that colossal fuckstick Stephen Kinnock? Given how it got through, probably an insurance marker for the Tories to go "oh we were just bluffing, here's a deal"
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Oh hey since people were asking before about the 1922 Committee, and there's usually a lot of confusion about it: 1922 Committee - backbenchers or all Tory MPs, basically the equivalent of the PLP (both have some technical stuff about frontbenchers' voting rights etc but still) 1922 Committee Executive - the leaders of that mob, a bunch of powerful people who hold sway over the party, separate from the leader and their cabinet so think of it like the PLP and some PLP cabal that inserts itself between the leader and the party to push its own agenda. People don't always get which one's being talked about, mostly because the media never explains it and just conflates the two. So when Johnson was meeting "the 1922 Committee" today it sounds like he was in front of the whole party, since Amber Rudd was there, not meeting the executive in a little room
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Sep 26, 2019 23:27
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So how was QT? Who ITT is 'taking one for the team' and watching it?
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Sep 26, 2019 23:29
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1177350820712652801 Nice. Although meaningless of course.
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Diet Crack posted:Given how it got through, probably an insurance marker for the Tories to go "oh we were just bluffing, here's a deal"
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Kinnock the Lesser did indeed bungle that up very hilariously. Be quite wonderful to see MV4 fail after May's not even the PM anymore lol StarkingBarfish posted:but only if people transitioning in the other direction are taking penisillin Oh dang haven't seen that one before that is 
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Necrothatcher posted:Is a potential MV4 entirely the work of that colossal fuckstick Stephen Kinnock? It's difficult to see how it would pass. The ERG would go loving ballistic for a start, so they wouldn't vote for it. Labour would be scenting power and would certainly whip against it. The only way it goes through is if 25 or so MPs who previously voted against a deal suddenly vote for it. I'm not sure that many have flipped.
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1177350820712652801 Be interesting to see any over the next week or so though. Might also give a picture of how much voters are influenced by immediate events.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:How I Save: The 28-year-old account manager spending cash on cocaine and croissants Given that 55k equates to about £850 per week after tax the rent + insane spending is about equal to that. Is she really stuffing £250/week worth of coke up her nose because God loving drat I live in London and there are definitely people with thirsty noses about but that uh, seems like a lot.
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1177350820712652801 It's meaningless, but the sort of thing we want to see in the general election: lib dems bleeding off enough tory votes for Labour to get the fptp win
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Missed this: Not now possible to have a General Election before October 31st according to Bercow: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-election-idUSKBN1WB1PY quote:SEPTEMBER 26, 2019 / 2:30 PM /
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Missed this: I think part of the risk is that by dissolving parliament for an election Boris could get out of being prime minister at the moment that the extension requests need to be made and there's no parliament to approve the request so this needs to continue until at least the 16(?) October for the EU summit and then potentially even up to the 31st and THEN an election can be safely called.
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Ms Adequate posted:Kinnock the Lesser did indeed bungle that up very hilariously. all kinnocks are equally poo poo
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Tsaedje posted:It's meaningless, but the sort of thing we want to see in the general election: lib dems bleeding off enough tory votes for Labour to get the fptp win It would be very encouraging if Labour start to close the poll gap with the Tories in the next few days/weeks. We're basically in an election campaign right now, there's more of a focus than usual on Corbyn and Labour, but they aren't benefiting from any of the media rules. So if we can start to cut through now it would be a good sign for the campaign itself.
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jabby posted:It would be very encouraging if Labour start to close the poll gap with the Tories in the next few days/weeks. Labour are already ahead depending on which polls you look at though. E: Actually no, but Comres' latest polling has Con 27 Lab 27 Lib 20. EE: And lol Opinium has loving Con 37 Lab 22 Lib 17. How can anybody look at the polling and see a loving 15% disagreement between two polling companies for the two main parties and not call the whole thing a joke? WhatEvil fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Sep 27, 2019 |
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Tsaedje posted:It's meaningless, but the sort of thing we want to see in the general election: lib dems bleeding off enough tory votes for Labour to get the fptp win Every now and then one of the ways our voting system is stupid counters another way our voting system is stupid, like a complex machine built to do evil that sometimes damages itself so badly it does a good thing by accident. The cosmic ballet goes on
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Missed this: If you watch the clip (14:08 on parliamentlive.tv) he repeatedly emphasised "under the existing statutory framework" and someone in the background even said "Interesting!" Wonder if the framework could be changed somehow? Mebh fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Sep 27, 2019 |
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WhatEvil posted:Labour are already ahead depending on which polls you look at though. https://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/ Filter by Opinium and you can see how much it swings over a year
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Evening night crew! Podcast is currently being edited, should be up within the next couple of hours 
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namesake posted:I think part of the risk is that by dissolving parliament for an election Boris could get out of being prime minister at the moment that the extension requests need to be made and there's no parliament to approve the request so this needs to continue until at least the 16(?) October for the EU summit and then potentially even up to the 31st and THEN an election can be safely called. As I see it, the Queen invites someone to be Prime Minister and government ministers are crown appointments. So if there's no parliament, she could still do that, and if parliament isn't sitting, ministers could still be selected to form a government. So if Johnson did do that, she could call someone instantly (Oh, Jeremy Corbyn, perhaps - would he still be Leader of the Opposition? Is that a formal crown thing too?). Am sure there must be a secret cabal of civil servants working on a plan for this scenario if it doesn't already exist. Obviously, I might be entirely wrong! I have no formal education in government processes!
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^^^I think the monarch selecting prime ministers like that would just generate more constitutional issues than already exist.ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:https://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/ Argh, frustrating patterns in that graph - Tories successfully beating back the Brexit Party, Labour not beating back the Lib Dems. Really need to activate non-voters and present a decent vision of the future this election or it's going to be grim.
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namesake posted:I think part of the risk is that by dissolving parliament for an election Boris could get out of being prime minister at the moment that the extension requests need to be made and there's no parliament to approve the request so this needs to continue until at least the 16(?) October for the EU summit and then potentially even up to the 31st and THEN an election can be safely called. The PM is still PM even if Parliament is dissolved for an election. So calling one now wouldn't get him out of obeying the Benn act. The reason Labour won't do it is a) no-one entirely trusts he doesn't have some scheme up his sleeve that would require Parliament to step in again, and b) it's politically damaging to force him to request the extension so delaying benefits them. namesake posted:Argh, frustrating patterns in that graph - Tories successfully beating back the Brexit Party, Labour not beating back the Lib Dems. A lot of the Lib Dem bounce is leftover from the EU elections. When the campaign starts Labour really need to push that it's Corbyn or Johnson, Referendum or No Deal. Hopefully that should make a chunk of those voters come back.
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namesake posted:^^^I think the monarch selecting prime ministers like that would just generate more constitutional issues than already exist. I'm still convinced we're in with a shot at a labour majority (definitely not a bority majority) The Lib Dem's will hoover soft tories, the Brexit party will eviscerate their vote when Joris fails to leave on Oct 31st and the rest is the joys of FPTP.
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namesake posted:^^^I think the monarch selecting prime ministers like that would just generate more constitutional issues than already exist. That graph is horribly skewed by including plainly bonkers polls. Opinium consistently have tories+brexit+ukip at 50% of the vote
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My ideal set up would be a labour majority in the high 30's.
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https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1177337769779257346 This combined with the John Major story is interesting. Boris could use the Civil Contingencies Act to suspend the Benn act via an 'order of council' (i.e with just ministers) if he can show there is an imminent emergency (with a significant threat to life or property) that suspending the Benn act will help mitigate. Such as, one assumes, impending riots and civil unrest that can only be prevented by leaving the EU on October 31st. Now obviously this is bullshit, but they could definitely argue in court that what qualifies as an emergency and how to mitigate it should be left up to government. They'd probably lose, and I think Parliament can still quash these orders if it's sitting, but it's definitely one direction this could be heading.
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1177337769779257346 Hoooooo boy can't wait for Joris and Dom Cummies to be actively asking for people to riot so they have a justificaiton for using tricks like this.
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Ms Adequate posted:Hoooooo boy can't wait for Joris and Dom Cummies to be actively asking for people to riot so they have a justificaiton for using tricks like this. Times like this, I'm glad I live in a sleepy backwater where even the boy racers squealing around the roads late at night apologize when taken to task on Facebook!
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Surely the obvious solution is to threaten riots if we do leave on october 31st?
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OwlFancier posted:Surely the obvious solution is to threaten riots if we do leave on october 31st? No, you see, it's all a very elaborate plan, and furthermore,
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Of course now that Parliament is aware of this particular angle, they could do something like amend the Benn act to include a clause saying the Civil Contingencies Act does not apply to it. Which I think would work, because new legislation can override any and all past legislation on the principle that parliament cannot bind itself. End of the day we're into legislative speed-chess, and it's getting loving confusing. God only knows what mischief Labour is planning while the Tories are away at conference. Could we see full communism now?
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jabby posted:Of course now that Parliament is aware of this particular angle, they could do something like amend the Benn act to include a clause saying the Civil Contingencies Act does not apply to it. Which I think would work, because new legislation can override any and all past legislation on the principle that parliament cannot bind itself. Well, let's be cautious before we say too much. One side's playing speed-chess, the other side is playing speed-smear-poo poo-on-thineself-and-threaten-the-enemy-with-a-hug.
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https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1177348764513775616?s=19 Question from audience member who isn't a tory Councillor why do you ask
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1177348764513775616?s=19 Do they want to make that question a little more biased, it could be a little too ambiguous to get the point across? Taxation is not theft, and more than that inequality is both morally wrong and deeply corrosive to the well being of society at large. gently caress your private property rights.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1177348764513775616?s=19 "Greed is one of the cardinal sins. What causes Tories to indulge in it every day?" "Charity is a key theological virtue, why do you have to be compelled to act in a charitable manner?"
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jabby posted:Of course now that Parliament is aware of this particular angle, they could do something like amend the Benn act to include a clause saying the Civil Contingencies Act does not apply to it. Which I think would work, because new legislation can override any and all past legislation on the principle that parliament cannot bind itself. The issue is that the rules are not properly defined and one side doesn't really give a poo poo in many ways. Since that is a given then trying to craft legislation with no potential gotchas is like trying to craft a flawless wish to correctly bind a malevolent Djinn. In this particular set of circumstances you're better off tabling a bill which is easy to explain to everyone, covers off the major loopholes, and then pass it with a big majority. That's the stuff that causes Johnson's later weaseling to backfire so spectacularly when it is clear to all but the most partisan hacks that what he is doing is using thin pretenses to subvert a clear mandate to do the opposite.
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AceOfFlames posted:Are you a robot Lord Stimperor posted:Bowsette costume is a requirement And now I'm picturing Bowsette in tinfoil-coated cardboard armor. This thread is cursed.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1177348764513775616?s=19
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endlessmonotony posted:And now I'm picturing Bowsette in tinfoil-coated cardboard armor. I spent months working on this cosplay and you just... posted and spoiled the surprise
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endlessmonotony posted:And now I'm picturing Bowsette in tinfoil-coated cardboard armor. Hi, welcome to the uk politics megathread
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