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Right before Everyone Loves Raymond hit ratings critical mass, Quentin Tarantino stopped Romano on an airplane to tell him how much he loved the show. Since Debra’s feet were never shown that would be high praise for the characters and writing.
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The only good episode of Everybody Loves Raymond is the one where the family takes a trip to Italy. Ray acts like a huge wet blanket as usual so everyone just decides to go sightseeing without him. He then goes out on his own and starts appreciating the local culture at his own pace. There's a sincerity to it that is just so unlike the rest of the show.
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Sep 27, 2019 04:38
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the_steve posted:Speaking of bad things that were aged horribly from birth: I remember this old sitcom that starred David Spade. I think Kirstie Allie was in it too. Pretty sure they were working at a fashion magazine, could be wrong about that part. That was Just Shoot Me. It has not aged well at all.
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Sep 27, 2019 04:43
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Krispy Wafer posted:Right before Everyone Loves Raymond hit ratings critical mass, Quentin Tarantino stopped Romano on an airplane to tell him how much he loved the show.
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Sep 27, 2019 05:12
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the_steve posted:Definitely can't deny Al's loyalty. The Kirstie Alley one was Veronica's Closet, but I think it had a very similar premise to Just Shoot Me.
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Sep 27, 2019 05:27
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the_steve posted:Definitely can't deny Al's loyalty. I can't pin down the set-up / context for it, but there's an episode where Al refuses to sell his old car, for some reason or another. It's revealed at the end that he was stalling for time in order to get a picture of his family out of it before it's sold/destroyed/whatever.
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Sep 27, 2019 05:30
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:The Kirstie Alley one was Veronica's Closet, but I think it had a very similar premise to Just Shoot Me. I think they retooled Veronica's Closet in season 2-3 and the office became all flowy open-air and San Franciscoy or something. Just Shoot Me had a good cast, and Laura San Giacomo's cleavage wasn't the focus of the character like Kat Dennings in Two Broke Girls
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Sep 27, 2019 06:00
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"Working on the writing/editorial staff of a magazine" didn't age well as a sitcom career choice
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Sep 27, 2019 06:26
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I liked Grounded For Life. Nothing super amazing; solid family sitcom type plots but with a wry sense of humor. Like, sarcastic but earnest. Also Megyn Price is one of the hottest TV moms ever. 
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FilthyImp posted:I was all set to talk about Veronica's Closet when I realized I was thinking about Judd Nelson as her will-they-won't-they boss. And that was actually Brooke Shields in Suddenly Susan. In one of those shows didn't one of the actors commit suicide or was it the character?
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Sep 27, 2019 06:53
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Yeah one of the male leads on Suddenly Susan died by suicide. E: Oh gee, look, Andy Dick was tangentially involved: "On March 20, 1999, Strickland and Andy Dick flew from Los Angeles to Las Vegas and spent three days partying in strip clubs.[3] After checking into Room 20 of the Oasis Motel, Strickland spent time with a prostitute, consumed six bottles of beer, hanged himself with a bed sheet over the ceiling beam, and died during the morning hours of March 22, 1999.[4] His body was discovered by a private investigator hired by his friend and co-star Brooke Shields when Strickland missed his appearance in Los Angeles Municipal Court for cocaine possession.[5][6]"
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It should really go without saying that hanging out with Andy Dick for extended periods of time is going to be extremely detrimental to your physical and mental health. He’s like a chaos elemental On the other hand if you’re just looking to go out with a bang and you have Andy Dick’s number it’s probably a decent option Aesop Poprock has a new favorite as of 07:06 on Sep 27, 2019 |
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Sep 27, 2019 07:04
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Suddenly Susan had an episode where a gag was Donald Trump being promoted as a possible presidential candidate. So by extension I blame our current Hellworld on Brooke Shields.
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Sep 27, 2019 07:05
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MisterBibs posted:I can't pin down the set-up / context for it, but there's an episode where Al refuses to sell his old car, for some reason or another. It's revealed at the end that he was stalling for time in order to get a picture of his family out of it before it's sold/destroyed/whatever. I like the scene where the family are stuck in traffic and a driver insults Al, starting a fistfight between them. The other drivers wife makes a wry comment that infuriates Peggy because she just insulted Al, and those two start fighting too, and by the end the whole family is fighting the entire other family to preserve their honour. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7AGop2dZyE
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Sep 27, 2019 07:44
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Grounded For Life had Donal Logue and Kevin Corrigan, it was better than most sitcoms almost by default
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Thranguy posted:"Working on the writing/editorial staff of a magazine" didn't age well as a sitcom career choice They've tried to make Clark Kent and Lois Lane bloggers a few times
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Sep 27, 2019 12:15
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purple death ray posted:They've tried to make Clark Kent and Lois Lane bloggers a few times Somehow aged even worse. Peter Parker as an underpaid abused gig economy photographer on the other hand...
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Sep 27, 2019 12:23
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purple death ray posted:They've tried to make Clark Kent and Lois Lane bloggers a few times I like the thing in Supergirl where she get's fired from the magazine she works at because rather than waiting to have a rock-hard source for her story she chose to blog it instead. Of course that pissed her editor off no end and she was rightly fired.
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Sep 27, 2019 12:32
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MisterBibs posted:I can't pin down the set-up / context for it, but there's an episode where Al refuses to sell his old car, for some reason or another. It's revealed at the end that he was stalling for time in order to get a picture of his family out of it before it's sold/destroyed/whatever. It was the episode where Al took the car to the car wash and it got lost. Turns out the washing revealed the car's real color and they just didn't recognize it.
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Sep 27, 2019 12:39
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Thranguy posted:"Working on the writing/editorial staff of a magazine" didn't age well as a sitcom career choice I swear 50% of American sitcoms are about someone with an ill-defined do-nothing job like that. You don't ever have to show anyone actually doing any real work, and it's an excuse to shoehorn in a celebrity cameo every now and then.
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Sep 27, 2019 12:40
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Bob Newhart's show Bob has not aged well. The premise had Bob as a comic book artist whose 1950's creation, Mad-Dog, was being ressurrected in the 90's. That lasted one season until the company he worked for was sold and the new owner fired all the comics-related staff and Bob ended up becoming a greeting card designer. They did have an episode featuring numerous comic book artists: Bob Kane, Jack Kirby, Mell Lazarus, Jim Lee, Marc Silvestri, Mel Keefer, Paul Power, Art Thibert and Sergio Aragones.
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Aesop Poprock posted:It should really go without saying that hanging out with Andy Dick for extended periods of time is going to be extremely detrimental to your physical and mental health. He’s like a chaos elemental Or you can just beat his rear end like Lovitz justifiably did
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Megillah Gorilla posted:I just think Ray Romano comes across as the most annoying, pathetic person on Earth and want to set him on fire every time he opens his mouth. the_steve posted:Speaking of bad things that were aged horribly from birth: I remember this old sitcom that starred David Spade. I think Kirstie Allie was in it too. Pretty sure they were working at a fashion magazine, could be wrong about that part.
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Alaois posted:Grounded For Life had Donal Logue and Kevin Corrigan, it was better than most sitcoms almost by default To the point where she ends up doing a saucy number from Cabaret and pissess off the PTA?
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Tiggum posted:I liked him in Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist. Actually I liked everything about that show, except possibly the "squigglevision". Honestly, Ray Romano is pretty likeable in basically everything he's in outside of Everybody Loves Raymond. He's not a gold-star or anything, he's in plenty of stuff that's crap and he's not really saving anything he's in, but you come out of seeing him in anything else and go 'you know, Ray Romano was pretty decent in that'. I'm not sure exactly why his own show let him down there, there's a lot of potential ways. Maybe he just wasn't very good at actual acting early on, maybe long-term roles aren't good for him, or maybe he was too willing to have his show paint him as an rear end in a top hat. I wouldn't say that it's because he's an rear end in a top hat, because that'd come through in his stand-up and he's pretty pleasant on-stage.
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Aesop Poprock posted:hanging out with Andy Dick You really went there?
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Sweevo posted:I swear 50% of American sitcoms are about someone with an ill-defined do-nothing job like that. You don't ever have to show anyone actually doing any real work, and it's an excuse to shoehorn in a celebrity cameo every now and then. It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia had the gang owning the bar because it’s a job that would allow them to do more random stuff in the middle of the day, but even then they don’t exactly do a lot of work.
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Tiggum posted:I liked him in Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist. Actually I liked everything about that show, except possibly the "squigglevision". That show was great, but I also didn't like the squigglevision. I get why they did it - just having the characters be completely still while talking might look odd, but they could've toned it back, at least. Hey, you know what didn't age well? The episode of Arthur that parodied Beavis and Butthead, South Park, WWE, and perhaps most bafflingly Dr. Katz (also Dexter's Lab, but I think that one's a much less weird choice.) Here's a compilation of the clips from the episode. It's really strange and surreal. As a kid, the episode confused the heck out of me because basically the entire thing went over my head. That said, it's very clearly one of those episodes that's more for the creators than the audience, and I'm happy for them.
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Sweevo posted:I swear 50% of American sitcoms are about someone with an ill-defined do-nothing job like that. You don't ever have to show anyone actually doing any real work, and it's an excuse to shoehorn in a celebrity cameo every now and then. I think ELR has Ray be a sportswriter for this kind of reason.
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Lucy and Ricky were a great sitcom couple. Bob and Linda Belcher are up there, too, if you count animated sitcoms.bobjr posted:It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia had the gang owning the bar because it’s a job that would allow them to do more random stuff in the middle of the day, but even then they don’t exactly do a lot of work. Except for Charlie. The episode with the health inspector coming around was fantastic, both in execution and in showing how much Charlie actually does and cares about the bar.
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bobjr posted:It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia had the gang owning the bar because it’s a job that would allow them to do more random stuff in the middle of the day, but even then they don’t exactly do a lot of work. Frank being rich and funding everyone's lifestyles is the excuse now and it's a pretty good one.
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Ray was unlike able on ELR but I think that’s his purpose. The show brings up how selfish and spineless he is a lot
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Sweevo posted:I swear 50% of American sitcoms are about someone with an ill-defined do-nothing job like that. You don't ever have to show anyone actually doing any real work, and it's an excuse to shoehorn in a celebrity cameo every now and then. If the show is geared towards women it will probably have a radio host at some point. All the terrible shows my wife watches do that. I think it’s supposed to be a glamorous job that gives you lots of free time so you can squeeze in all the love affairs and drama. The fact those jobs don’t really exist anymore or pay much is glossed over just like all the newspaper and magazine jobs they also give characters. It also lets a character monologue. In Brothers and Sisters Sally Field eventually finds fame as a radio host who talks about her family all the time even though her voice is terrible for radio and no one cares about her family.
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Cleretic posted:Honestly, Ray Romano is pretty likeable in basically everything he's in outside of Everybody Loves Raymond. He's not a gold-star or anything, he's in plenty of stuff that's crap and he's not really saving anything he's in, but you come out of seeing him in anything else and go 'you know, Ray Romano was pretty decent in that'. Yeah he's fine and ELR was entertaining enough, basically everyone was a pain to each other but they were there for each other too... I remember watching The Big Sick and it slowly dawning on me who the guy with the beard was...
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Krispy Wafer posted:If the show is geared towards women it will probably have a radio host at some point. All the terrible shows my wife watches do that. I think it’s supposed to be a glamorous job that gives you lots of free time so you can squeeze in all the love affairs and drama. The fact those jobs don’t really exist anymore or pay much is glossed over just like all the newspaper and magazine jobs they also give characters. Jobs in sitcoms are inconsequential, everyone has a do-nothing job, especially if it takes place in an actual workplace.
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Iron Crowned posted:Jobs in sitcoms are inconsequential, everyone has a do-nothing job, especially if it takes place in an actual workplace. Cheers covered all shifts of a busy bar with two bartenders and two waitresses. Sometimes one waitress, when Rebecca was a manager instead.
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Krispy Wafer posted:If the show is geared towards women it will probably have a radio host at some point. All the terrible shows my wife watches do that. I think it’s supposed to be a glamorous job that gives you lots of free time so you can squeeze in all the love affairs and drama. The fact those jobs don’t really exist anymore or pay much is glossed over just like all the newspaper and magazine jobs they also give characters. I like how in It Part 2 they had to update Richie’s job that he’s well known for from Shock Jockey to stand up comic because it’s something that really isn’t around as a popular thing anymore.
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Sep 27, 2019 16:08
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bobjr posted:I like how in It Part 2 they had to update Richie’s job that he’s well known for from Shock Jockey to stand up comic because it’s something that really isn’t around as a popular thing anymore. Podcast host
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purple death ray posted:Podcast host Recurring Cum Town guest Richie Tozier
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Frasier comes to mind as one where the titular character and his brother are wealthy of their own accord, as well as having more detail on the radio host job, though iirc even at the time non-political talk radio was dying out. (Though maybe not everywhere) Though Frasier has come up as a bit of a different beast that mostly avoided the pitfalls of other sitcoms. Mostly.
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