|
Herewaard posted:Would US v Nixon apply if it's a congressional subpoena in the pursuit of an impeachment inquiry? Would SCOTUS not just say "ehhh that's a political question and congress can just impeach the executive if he refuses to turn over evidence that is duly subpoened" ? I can't imagine the whitehouse could say 'nuh uh' after they released one call transcript and not release all the others for Congress to review.
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 16:52
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 5, 2024 08:31 |
|
|
Friendly reminder that classifying something doesn't keep Congress from being able to read it, like, at all. It's a non-obstacle for them.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 16:53
|
|
|
Snuffman posted:So an impeachment inquiry has more "teeth" right? Rudy can't just cross his arms and say "nuh-uh", he can be held in contempt or arrested if he doesn't show up? even if they testify, we know from the mueller report they're not afraid to lie under oath.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 16:53
|
|
|
Crows Turn Off posted:They seemed OK with him being VP since Trump/Pence won Indiana. Wouldn't they have been less supportive if they truly didn't like him? Him being selected as VP ended his re-election campaign for Governor. They wanted to reward Trump for taking him off their hands. (Oh and its a lovely red state)
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 16:54
|
|
|
eke out posted:they can subpoena anything they reasonably believe is related to their investigation(s) (this has no bearing on whether *we* actually see many of these documents, though, as there'd be very obvious arguments that anything that properly was kept confidential should remain that way) Roberts could also see that the republicans will get a perma-majority and lock on political power if he backs Trump on this as well. From his decisions he already cares little about democratic institutions and this may be the golden opportunity to end them in favor of the GOP
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 16:57
|
|
|
Herewaard posted:Would US v Nixon apply if it's a congressional subpoena in the pursuit of an impeachment inquiry? Would SCOTUS not just say "ehhh that's a political question and congress can just impeach the executive if he refuses to turn over evidence that is duly subpoened" ? it's a different factual scenario but Nixon sets out how a court should handle the question of whether the executive must respond to subpoenas for potentially privileged communications and rebuts the idea of any "absolute privilege" that he can assert against this. in the hypothetical i'm suggesting, we'd probably end up with an opinion from the DC Circuit saying basically "nixon applies here and you must produce it" and then the supreme court would deny cert to dodge the case Feldegast42 posted:Roberts could also see that the republicans will get a perma-majority and lock on political power if he backs Trump on this as well. lol if you think that a massive political intervention to save trump in an election year by changing the law would somehow give the republicans a "perma-majority"
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 16:57
|
|
|
Crows Turn Off posted:They seemed OK with him being VP since Trump/Pence won Indiana. Wouldn't they have been less supportive if they truly didn't like him? That got Pence away from Indiana.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 16:58
|
|
|
Ice Phisherman posted:It's not a bribe. The money had already been raised for Ukraine and was withheld. The word you're looking for is extortion. it was also a bribe too. he added I think 100 million more to sweeten the deal.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 16:58
|
|
|
Feldegast42 posted:Roberts could also see that the republicans will get a perma-majority and lock on political power if he backs Trump on this as well. From his decisions he already cares little about democratic institutions and this may be the golden opportunity to end them in favor of the GOP Doing this would immediately make restructuring the court the #1 election issue and hand the entire country to the Democrats. There is only so much outrage that voting law shenanigans can contain.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:02
|
|
|
Atlanta climate protests going well - finally finding a use for all those loving e-scooters. https://twitter.com/VitalistInt/status/1177603334766759936 https://twitter.com/VitalistInt/status/1177608670965882888
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:03
|
|
|
And only time we chill is when we kill each other It takes skill to be real, time to heal each other And although it seems heaven sent We ain't ready, to see a black President, uhh It ain't a secret don't conceal the fact Groovelord Neato posted:the court is packed with partisan hacks.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:06
|
|
|
Y’know, one thing that may be adding to the WH panic is that it’s unlikely anyone involved, Trump included, knows exactly what their exposure is if the inquiry gets into the other records of incompetent corruption that nigh-certainly exist. A side effect of how they tried to bury information is that there’s gonna be a real clear record of who accesses what when. So if you’re one of them going “wait, wasn’t he also that stupidly overt on that other call?” you can’t go confirm without the rest of the poker table seeing that you double-checked your cards.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:06
|
|
|
drat I don’t want this week to end. Is infrastructure week next!?
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:07
|
|
|
The Washington Post is a having a 70% off flash sale today coincidently while #CancelNYTimes is trending. Please don't subscribe to the WaPo though.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:07
|
|
|
eviltastic posted:Y’know, one thing that may be adding to the WH panic is that it’s unlikely anyone involved, Trump included, knows exactly what their exposure is if the inquiry gets into the other records of incompetent corruption that nigh-certainly exist. A side effect of how they tried to bury information is that there’s gonna be a real clear record of who accesses what when. So if you’re one of them going “wait, wasn’t he also that stupidly overt on that other call?” you can’t go confirm without the rest of the poker table seeing that you double-checked your cards. I mean - it would be very, very difficult for it not to be more like Nixon's tapes. Except it's way harder for them to erase them Mahoning posted:The Washington Post is a having a 70% off flash sale today coincidently while #CancelNYTimes is trending. Abolish all opinion sections, though.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:07
|
|
|
These were the characteristics that made him appealing to voters.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:08
|
|
|
eviltastic posted:Y’know, one thing that may be adding to the WH panic is that it’s unlikely anyone involved, Trump included, knows exactly what their exposure is if the inquiry gets into the other records of incompetent corruption that nigh-certainly exist. A side effect of how they tried to bury information is that there’s gonna be a real clear record of who accesses what when. So if you’re one of them going “wait, wasn’t he also that stupidly overt on that other call?” you can’t go confirm without the rest of the poker table seeing that you double-checked your cards. Take it a step further and think if Trump ordered them deleted or edited.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:08
|
|
|
Feldegast42 posted:Roberts could also see that the republicans will get a perma-majority and lock on political power if he backs Trump on this as well. From his decisions he already cares little about democratic institutions and this may be the golden opportunity to end them in favor of the GOP Roberts is smart enough to know that in the very long run (which is how he needs to look at things) the GOP is driving themselves into the ditch of being a small regional southern party with no power. Maybe not now, maybe not in 8 years, but eventually. If they throw the Dems enough bones here and there, he can peel off enough Dems to go "ehhh.... I don't feel good about packing the courts, lets just keep it at 9". That gives him room to fire the occasional bullet at the very important decisions he really cares about. He doesn't have to give a drat about protecting someone who is likely out soon when it doesn't advance his goals anyway.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:10
|
|
|
eviltastic posted:Y’know, one thing that may be adding to the WH panic is that it’s unlikely anyone involved, Trump included, knows exactly what their exposure is if the inquiry gets into the other records of incompetent corruption that nigh-certainly exist. A side effect of how they tried to bury information is that there’s gonna be a real clear record of who accesses what when. So if you’re one of them going “wait, wasn’t he also that stupidly overt on that other call?” you can’t go confirm without the rest of the poker table seeing that you double-checked your cards. donald trump ferverishly printing out the server logs and burning them
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:11
|
|
|
Hi all, So another goon brought this up earlier it I wanted to reiterate. The most important thing we can do is call our senators/congress people to keep the pressure up and investigate this to the max. I live in a very blue state, but still left messages encouraging my reps to keep it up until Trump is (hopefully) removed. If you live in a lovely red state keep calling! Let them know they are cowards. Ditto if you have an idiot blue rep that hasn’t “decided” yet.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:11
|
|
|
Shimrra Jamaane posted:Two days later and the GOP still doesn’t have a coherent narrative. Hard to get ahead of it all with a narrative when the WH drops notes they’ve edited to be the best possible light for Trump that only verify the complaint as accurate then accidentally send out your lockstep talking points ahead of time to every democrat  not to mention pretty much everything America’s Mayor has been doing
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:12
|
|
|
Retro42 posted:Take it a step further and think if Trump ordered them deleted or edited. Pretty sure the system they're stored in makes it almost impossible to delete or edit them now
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:12
|
|
|
Bottom Liner posted:drat I don’t want this week to end. Infrastructure Week can never being if it never ends... 
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:12
|
|
|
thank god the president and everyone around him is so stupid. they just handed over the evidence. kinda hard to get your mind around.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:14
|
|
|
theflyingorc posted:Pretty sure the system they're stored in makes it almost impossible to delete or edit them now Logically yes, but I fully expect this WH to attempt the dumbest, most inappropriate or illegal option at every turn.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:15
|
|
|
Rigel posted:Roberts is smart enough to know that in the very long run (which is how he needs to look at things) the GOP is driving themselves into the ditch of being a small regional southern party with no power. Maybe not now, maybe not in 8 years, but eventually. If they throw the Dems enough bones here and there, he can peel off enough Dems to go "ehhh.... I don't feel good about packing the courts, lets just keep it at 9". That gives him room to fire the occasional bullet at the very important decisions he really cares about. He doesn't have to give a drat about protecting someone who is likely out soon when it doesn't advance his goals anyway. yeah, absolutely. the point is, doing something crazy to help Trump would potentially result in a worst-case (for him) outcome where he goes down in history for his awful ruling and massively diminishes his own power because it provokes court-packing, and a best-case outcome where... someone he doesn't particularly like gets to hold on to power for just a little longer before he loses the 2020 election. if nothing else, Roberts has proven that no matter how much of a terrible person he is, he understands that he needs to act to maintain his power in the long-term more than he needs to act to help the republicans in the short term.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:15
|
|
|
Snuffman posted:So an impeachment inquiry has more "teeth" right? Rudy can't just cross his arms and say "nuh-uh", he can be held in contempt or arrested if he doesn't show up? If there are cameras rudy will show up. You could hold a public execution for rudy that he has no obligation to go to and as long as there are cameras he'd still show up to it
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:16
|
|
|
Retro42 posted:Logically yes, but I fully expect this WH to attempt the dumbest, most inappropriate or illegal option at every turn. 1,000 audit logs of ERROR ACCESS DENIED TO DELETE MYCRIMES.DOCX
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:16
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/NBCPolitics/status/1177539654704357378
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:17
|
|
|
The evolution of this week has been great. *The President; reeking of poo poo* House Dems: Some people are saying the President pooped his pants, but we don't think that kind of talk is appropriate at this time. Trump: I pooped my pants! Rudy: He pooped 'em! I helped! Whitehouse: Here are the lovely drawers. House Dems: We are forming a committee to look into the idea that the President might have pooped his pants.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:19
|
|
|
It’s so funny that one of the reasons this report is sticking more than the mueller report because it’s like 7 pages instead of 300.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:19
|
|
|
Well now you gotta do it
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:20
|
|
|
Rent-A-Cop posted:The evolution of this week has been great. Trump: "My drawers are PERFECT!"
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:20
|
|
|
Rent-A-Cop posted:The evolution of this week has been great. The committee was formed before the memo was sent out. Like, this isn't really the timeline at all
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:20
|
|
|
NO THERE ARE NO DEAD HOOKERS IN MY TRUNK OFFICER.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:21
|
|
|
Bread Set Jettison posted:It’s so funny that one of the reasons this report is sticking more than the mueller report because it’s like 7 pages instead of 300. And the whistleblower put this together in like 5 weeks instead of loving 2 years.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:21
|
|
|
Rent-A-Cop posted:The evolution of this week has been great. Congressmen: I have not smelled it yet
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:21
|
|
|
This is rocket fuel on a fire from Putin.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:22
|
|
|
F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Trump: "My drawers are PERFECT!" TRUMP: Its not true that I poo poo my pants, I poo poo my pants, underpants, socks, and a little bit of my shirt. BAD!
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:23
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 5, 2024 08:31 |
|
|
TulliusCicero posted:This. Most of the establishment GOP would throw Trump under the nearest bus as soon as they could. He puts them in the worst possible position constantly: back Trump to the hilt and galvanize the democrats to vote your rear end out, or try to take even a slightly moderate position and get primaried by a Trumpist lunatic on the right. Hey, they knew he was a snake when they took him in.
|
|
#
?
Sep 27, 2019 17:23
|
|
