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fool_of_sound posted:It's still unethical for a politician to use insider influence and knowledge to enrich their family. It's not as cut-and-dry, but we shouldn't pretend it's not an issue worth discussing. The level of "insider influence" that people are talking about is that Hunter Biden was employed by a company. There is no evidence of actual interaction with the administration. Literally almost all politicians families are employed, by someone, as adults. quote:Like Kushner has been blatantly using Trump's influence to enrich himself the entire administration. Kushner is an administration official. He acts in that capacity, on a formal basis. edit: How do I keep getting the top of the page? 
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Aspergeoisie posted:Ah, so it's one of those "I think this is wrong and also hate Donald Trump so it's a crime" crimes. Gotcha. No, the actual crimes as outlined by Mueller. He said that there was enough to charge him.
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ryde posted:Yeah, this, I'm not saying its OK I'm just saying its not a proven crime. I'm not even saying its not suspicious - definitely worth looking into. But narrative here is that Joe Biden fired the prosecutor in quid quo pro for his son and that is not supported by the facts. That is not the narrative. Nobody here is buying into the Trump conspiracy. Just pointing out the obvious corrupt grift by the biden family. Owlofcreamcheese posted:Saying "all lives matter" when someone talks about black lives mattering is not a sign someone is being a caring person. The guy vomiting up "dems bad too" during the initial days of the impeachment of trump are not a guy that is actually really suddenly interested in joe biden's sons moral conduct. Did you just equate all lives matters to pointing out obvious nepotism? fool_of_sound posted:It's still unethical for a politician to use insider influence and knowledge to enrich their family. It's not as cut-and-dry, but we shouldn't pretend it's not an issue worth discussing. Like Kushner has been blatantly using Trump's influence to enrich himself the entire administration. It's only bad when theeeeeey do it you see. Now excuse me while I go to paid speech by Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton discussing the merits of the banking industry.
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Xombie posted:People who are powerful and rich enough to run for major public office and win are, invariably, going to end up with successful and rich children. Looking "poorly" on them because their children are successful is, once again, not a winning issue. It isn't even rational. You're badly botching my argument. The issue isn't that Ivanka or Hunter are "successful" the issue is that they're receiving rewards that implicitly are based on their father then helping them and their financial partners out using their publicly elected positions. Even the implication can be damaging, which is why Hunter resigned as a lobbyist when his father ran for VP.
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VitalSigns posted:whoa hey buddy how dare you attack Kushner for his success, jealous much?
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That’s a good portrait of him in his avatar
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Aspergeoisie posted:Ah, so it's one of those "I think this is wrong and also hate Donald Trump so it's a crime" crimes. Gotcha. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1503
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Sep 27, 2019 20:33
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:
all lives do in fact matter, but just like this fox news talking point you got, the people pointing that out are doing so to try and drown out the actual thing that should be focused on at this very moment.
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fool_of_sound posted:It's still unethical for a politician to use insider influence and knowledge to enrich their family. It's not as cut-and-dry, but we shouldn't pretend it's not an issue worth discussing. Like Kushner has been blatantly using Trump's influence to enrich himself the entire administration. It doesn't change the fact that the thing that Trump, specifically, is talking about is insane crazy bonkers. I want Biden to lose as much as the next guy but holy poo poo, it was a single Ukranian company. Yes, it's a problem that rich people just get to jump around from board to board, collecting money for doing nothing. But talking about it right now is letting the dumbest man in the whole world just lead you by the nose.
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Aspergeoisie posted:Has he? What crimes has Trump committed? Like actual crimes and not "I think this is wrong and also hate Donald Trump so it's a crime" crimes. He was literally named as an unindicted co conspirator for a crime he committed prior to the election and his lawyer went to jail for it, mr big brains. His foundation was shuttered because it was a giant money laundering and tax shelter front. Also obstruction of justice. Likely tax fraud. Also there’s a ton more but I’m guessing you aren’t posting in good faith soooo bye.
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ryde posted:No, the actual crimes as outlined by Mueller. He said that there was enough to charge him. Trump was exonerated by Mueller. Read the report. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:all lives do in fact matter
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Did you just equate all lives matters to pointing out obvious nepotism? "Being employed while having politician parents" isn't what nepotism is.
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Aspergeoisie posted:Trump was exonerated by Mueller. Read the report. I did. He wasn't.
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Most likely, the Biden thing was not illegal. It was nepotism, corruption on the Ukraine side trying to either get leverage over Biden or for goodwill to get favourable treatment. Think about how that makes you feel and decide whether you want to vote for Biden in the primary I guess. The Trump thing is separate and it is a Republican talking point to marry the two topics.
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Xombie posted:The level of "insider influence" that people are talking about is that Hunter Biden was employed by a company. There is no evidence of actual interaction with the administration. Literally almost all politicians families are employed, by someone, as adults. Xombie posted:"Being employed while having politician parents" isn't what nepotism is. So Hunter Biden would have got paid more in a month than most people make in a year to do nothing but buy coke and bang escorts even if his daddy weren't VP of the most powerful nation on earth Why. Did Hunter have kompromat on the CEO. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Sep 27, 2019 |
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bird cooch posted:The only Republican defense that they have been able to dredge up in the last 4 days is "what about Joe Biden" and then this thread is full of people saying "what about Joe Biden" without adding anything new or contesting any previously argued or debunked points. It kinda seems like you're complaining about people not adding anything to the conversation without adding anything to the conversation yourself. Rabble posted:As far as I’m aware Impeachment doesn’t require criminal conduct. It’s a political process by which an unpopular president can be censured or removed from office based on what the house and senate deem most politically advantageous to them at any given time. It's certainly a political act, which is good that so much emphasis is being placed on the objectively unacceptable actions from the Trump administration. It definitely shouldn't just be perceived as strategic maneuvering!
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Still enjoying that the Republicans’ only defense is “what about Joe Biden” considering its getting ZERO traction in the MSM. On the topic of impeachment, what’s the possibility that Trump is impeached but only censured and allowed to remain in office? Right now I’m thinking it’s the most likely outcome.
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Aspergeoisie posted:Trump was exonerated by Mueller. Read the report. The report literally said it neither exonerated or implicated Trump. Read the report.
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Trump is literally breaking the Niners clause of the Constitution and has been since Inauguration Day. Looks like we have a live one in the thread folks.
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theflyingorc posted:It doesn't change the fact that the thing that Trump, specifically, is talking about is insane crazy bonkers. Discussing an issue in the Debate and Discussion forum of Something Awful dot com is not going to harm the discourse.
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sit on my Facebook posted:Lol trump will never ever resign. We like to joke about Nixon speed runs, but that part's one echo of history we won't be hearing Nixon ran the any percent, Trump is going for the harder 100%.
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VitalSigns posted:So Hunter Biden would have got paid more in a month than most people make in a year to do nothing but buy coke and bang escorts even if his daddy weren't VP of the most powerful nation on earth Are...you familiar with how rich people work? This is what most board members do, and there are a shitload of companies with board members out there.
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theflyingorc posted:It doesn't change the fact that the thing that Trump, specifically, is talking about is insane crazy bonkers. Slowpoke! posted:Most likely, the Biden thing was not illegal. It was nepotism, corruption on the Ukraine side trying to either get leverage over Biden or for goodwill to get favourable treatment. Think about how that makes you feel and decide whether you want to vote for Biden in the primary I guess. Ding ding ding
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Aspergeoisie posted:Trump was exonerated by Mueller. Read the report. Wrong. Stop shitposting.
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ryde posted:I did. He wasn't. Let me know when you have anything more than a crime invented by way of investigating other supposed crimes that never happened, none of which Trump was ever or will ever be charged with committing. Politicians don't suddenly become criminals because you don't like the way they talk.
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Aspergeoisie posted:Trump was exonerated by Mueller. Read the report. Can you please quote the part of Muellers report where he exonerated Trump? I can't seem to findit
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Dammerung posted:It kinda seems like you're complaining about people not adding anything to the conversation without adding anything to the conversation yourself. I'm trying to drag the conversation to a crux so that it can be actually discussed inside some defined terms in the second half and pointing out that these posters are 100% falling for the only line of defense that the Republicans have been able to field in the first portion of my post.
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Aspergeoisie posted:Let me know when you have anything more than a crime invented by way of investigating other supposed crimes that never happened, none of which Trump was ever or will ever be charged with committing. Imagine being the guy who thinks Donald Trump of all people is honest.
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Rabble posted:Still enjoying that the Republicans’ only defense is “what about Joe Biden” considering its getting ZERO traction in the MSM. depends how bad poo poo gets and how involved pence is. if its really bad and pence isn't "involveled" they may toss trump for pence. but most likely senate will either let him go or let him go but a much closer vote.
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Calling it now biden will come out and admit to corrupt acts in ukraine in 2018 but that he did it all in cooperation with trump and has it on tape then he bursts into flame and is reborn as biden the white in the back of the cop car hauling him and trump off to jail, rudy then bursts in from offstage declares that he was there, too, and slaps handcuffs on himself and voluntarily gets in the back of the cop car with trump and biden i'm gonna laugh so hard when y'all nerds are wrong and I'm vindicated
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theflyingorc posted:Are...you familiar with how rich people work? This is what most board members do, and there are a shitload of companies with board members out there. The amount of (for lack of a better term) inbreeding in corporate board rooms is legendary. A good chunk of any Board of Directors are drinking buddies, golf buddies, or fellow idiots from other companies. The 'Golden Parachute CEOs' get a lot of attention but the boards are in many ways even worse.
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Slowpoke! posted:Most likely, the Biden thing was not illegal. It was nepotism, corruption on the Ukraine side trying to either get leverage over Biden or for goodwill to get favourable treatment. Think about how that makes you feel and decide whether you want to vote for Biden in the primary I guess. Depending on the specifics of the conversations between Hunter and his father it could be unregistered lobbying. I wouldn't want to let Ivanka off the hook just so we can save the Bidens.
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Aspergeoisie posted:Let me know when you have anything more than a crime invented by way of investigating other supposed crimes that never happened, none of which Trump was ever or will ever be charged with committing. Just admit you don't give a drat that Trump is a lying racist scumbag criminal, because right now you're arguing the sky is purple. If you're going to spew poo poo out of your mouth, it might as well be the truth, right?
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Just let Trump and Joe! fight it out in a cage, and then we'll impeach the winner.
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Aspergeoisie posted:Let me know when you have anything more than a crime invented by way of investigating other supposed crimes that never happened, none of which Trump was ever or will ever be charged with committing. He is on tape asking for Ukraine to interfere in our election in 2020, why do you think this is new for him? And yes, Extortion is a Capital C Crime.
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Aspergeoisie posted:Let me know when you have anything more than a crime invented by way of investigating other supposed crimes that never happened, none of which Trump was ever or will ever be charged with committing. The report specifically states that it does not exonerate the President. Robert Mueller made it pretty clear in his follow-up testimony that were he not President, he'd be going down for obstruction of justice, among other crimes. I think maybe you're the one who's not arguing in good faith here, friend.
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