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darkeshado posted:With Ash winning a League being Champion of Alola I'm curious if the next series will specify what makes one a Pokémon Master. They are never going to explain what a Pokémon Master is. They won’t even show a character who Ash would consider to be one. They want this anime to continue for eternity, so Ash cannot have a clear goal to work towards.
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darkeshado posted:With Ash winning a League being Champion of Alola I'm curious if the next series will specify what makes one a Pokémon Master. Directing the flow of the metagame by influencing smogon's tier rulesets.
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ROFL Octopus posted:Ash is a codename and he’s been portrayed by countless ten year olds ashes to ashes
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Geostomp posted:They are never going to explain what a Pokémon Master is. They won’t even show a character who Ash would consider to be one. They want this anime to continue for eternity, so Ash cannot have a clear goal to work towards. It’s intentionally vague. I prefer the “be the very best that no one ever was” interpretation; basically, Ash wants to be World Champion, but organized competition above the regional level isn’t developed enough in the anime continuity for anyone to really be called that.
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Sep 28, 2019 13:40
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When is the cg Mewtwo remake coming out in the states?
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Sep 28, 2019 15:53
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:When is the cg Mewtwo remake coming out in the states? It's not getting a theatrical release, so...probably early-mid 2020?
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Sep 28, 2019 17:04
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Kikas posted:Nothing will beat "turned to stone by Mewtwo" in the first movie and I will fight anyone disagreeing I don’t know, freezing to death in space on a flying castle in the Victini movie was pretty rad.
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Vinylshadow posted:It's not getting a theatrical release, so...probably early-mid 2020? It's not? The last two did! They were one or two day screenings but they were both released in theatres
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Sep 28, 2019 17:40
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He died to a Hyper Beam in I choose You and hallucinated Pikachu talking to him.
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Sep 28, 2019 18:28
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A Haunter straight up ripped his soul out of his dieing body.
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darkeshado posted:With Ash winning a League being Champion of Alola I'm curious if the next series will specify what makes one a Pokémon Master. We're not getting poo poo. That would involve a level of writing and consideration to the source material they have no intention of pursuing. It's mediocrity forever sprinkled with the occasional bright spot to give you misplaced hope. You think Ash is ever going to clarify what being a pokemon master even means? Fucksakes even in universe it's not really a thing. It's like a 6 year old saying they want to be king of the world.
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Flopsy posted:We're not getting poo poo. That would involve a level of writing and consideration to the source material they have no intention of pursuing. It's mediocrity forever sprinkled with the occasional bright spot to give you misplaced hope. You think Ash is ever going to clarify what being a pokemon master even means? Fucksakes even in universe it's not really a thing. It's like a 6 year old saying they want to be king of the world. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Master The term does exist in the anime and games and other media but they have said different things are required between each with the anime being especially vague. I'm more baffled they specified that being Champion doesn't automatically make you a Master when they did. Ash just lost to Tobias and failed to get into the Champion League and they basically say "Oh yeah even if Ash got to the Champion League and beat Cynthia he still wouldn't be a Pokémon Master". Why not save that until after he won a league to try to justify his continued presence?
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Sep 28, 2019 23:06
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Pokemon Master is an ideal to strive for, not an official rank
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Sep 28, 2019 23:08
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the pokemon master that can be named is not the true pokemon master
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The real Pokemon Mastery is the friends we enslaved and forced to fight for our amusement along the way.
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darkeshado posted:https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Master The bit in I Choose You is especially interesting because it debunks my "world champion" explanation (at least assuming the criteria are the same as in the main anime continuity, which is questionable). Apparently Ash sees being the world's strongest as a just one part of it. I guess it could be "world's strongest plus catching them all," but the franchise has moved away from that idea (especially in the anime). It's interesting that the only character in the anime to actually proclaim themselves a Pokémon Master is Mewtwo. I think we're supposed to see this as arrogance rather than Mewtwo accomplishing something Ash hasn't. In other words, we haven't actually met any Pokémon Masters in the anime, and it's not clear that a person worthy of being called a Pokémon Master by Ash's standards has ever existed.
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darkeshado posted:https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Master Silver2195 posted:The bit in I Choose You is especially interesting because it debunks my "world champion" explanation (at least assuming the criteria are the same as in the main anime continuity, which is questionable). Apparently Ash sees being the world's strongest as a just one part of it. I guess it could be "world's strongest plus catching them all," but the franchise has moved away from that idea (especially in the anime). I feel like this only confirms my point. It's a term with literally no clear definition. Since nothing ever defines what it exactly means I feel like you could declare yourself one and nobody would have any grounds to debate you on it.
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For the anime it's a meaningless term used to justify an endless adventure.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:For the anime it's a meaningless term used to justify an endless adventure. Exactly. An adventure with 0% driving motivation. It's like embarking on a quest to become the Lord of the Sports Drinks. What does that entail? *shrugs*
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Adventure is the motivation. Having fun with your pals and trying your best is the goal. Edit: Like I don't think it needs to be complicated or like even this big concrete thing to accomplish, it comes off as strange whenever the show try to act like it is. Ash likes pokemon and wants to be the best at pokemon. So he goes on a journey with some pokemon. SyntheticPolygon fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Sep 29, 2019 |
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Adventure is the motivation. Having fun with your pals and trying your best is the goal. I guess it's because the games actually have plots and character development and then you go from that to: Ash has suddenly forgotten how to pokemons! We need to do some comedy relief filler for three episodes in a row stat! It's not even that I mind go on an adventure have fun plots. That doesn't bother me, it's just I think pokemon does it eh...poorly. Not to mention the writers clearly can barely give a poo poo about these characters. If they can't be invested why should I?
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Like I dunno, I think writers have done fine the last few episodes i've watched? The show had had so many episodes and so many different writers and a lot of them are bad but also a lot of the time I think it ends up being a solid kids show. There's definitely been parts of the show that i've thought were stronger and had better character beats than some of the comics or game's plots, and recently it's been pretty good. By its nature the anime is just really inconsistent. It's probably had over a thousand episodes and gone through a bunch of writers and some of them do it better than others.
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Lets be real, the anime has more plot and thought than half the mainline games. Ash's goal is fine, its an impossible thing where he strives to be better than before. Like Batman or Conan chasing things that dont exist.
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this is such an insane thing to be mad aboutoddium posted:the pokemon master that can be named is not the true pokemon master
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some of y'all get really worked up about what is literally just a big marketing tool used to sell a big videogame series and card game to kids that also happens to apparently, which i only say because i don't watch it and don't even play the games anymore, have some neat moments in it by the virtue of the people tasked to put it out when in reality it's going to be made no matter who's assigned to working on it. like this isn't meant to be disparaging, it's just weird seeing a bunch of critical thoughts and whatever put into the very nature of how this show isn't going anywhere or whatever when the way it's structured is explicitly meant to work the way it does.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Lets be real, the anime has more plot and thought than half the mainline games. You think Lillie in the anime had a more compelling character arc than the games? Seriously? Johnny Joestar posted:some of y'all get really worked up about what is literally just a big marketing tool used to sell a big videogame series and card game to kids that also happens to apparently, which i only say because i don't watch it and don't even play the games anymore, have some neat moments in it by the virtue of the people tasked to put it out when in reality it's going to be made no matter who's assigned to working on it. It's because they throw the older fans scraps occasionally and it sets unrealistic hopes and standards. I bitch a lot but I'll be honest I expect very little here. I'm fully aware this poo poo isn't for me but occasionally they do a wink and a nod and like a giant dummy I get excited again. Flopsy fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Sep 29, 2019 |
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Flopsy posted:You think Lillie in the anime had a more compelling character arc than the games? Seriously? He said half the mainline games, not all of them. Though it’s debatable. Gens 1 and 2 barely have plots, but the anime ignores much of the little plot they have. The anime improves on the plots of Gen 3 and Gen 4, though (IMO), and while I haven’t watched or played Gen 6, apparently the Gen 6 anime was better received than the Gen 6 games. The anime ruins Gen 5’s plot, though.
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Silver2195 posted:He said half the mainline games, not all of them. Though it’s debatable. Gens 1 and 2 barely have plots, but the anime ignores much of the little plot they have. The anime improves on the plots of Gen 3 and Gen 4, though (IMO), and while I haven’t watched or played Gen 6, apparently the Gen 6 anime was better received than the Gen 6 games. The anime ruins Gen 5’s plot, though. This, exactly. And also a side case of the world in the anime being more compelling at times, specially when it doesn't follow the games at all. Not always, of course, but still. (Side thing, the game world would be a hundred times better if we had never gone back to gyms after Gen 5.)
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*Lana voice* Popplio
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There is neat little thing the anime does that I didn't notice until I read about it on bulbapedia. Remember when Gary showed up with 10 badges before challenging Giovanni? Well apparently almost every region in the anime is shown to have more than eight gyms, with the exception of Johto for some reason (It might have more gyms but we're no given any hints), hell Kanto apparently has at least 27 gyms in the anime. If you look closely pretty much whenever someone who isn't Ash shows off their badges they have at least one that's not in the games. Kind of makes the world fell bigger, though no one calling attention to it almost makes it feel too subtle. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Badge darkeshado fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Sep 29, 2019 |
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I refuse to consider any parts of the anime canon.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:This, exactly. I'll give you 1, 2, and 3, (although the remakes of gen 3 were a huge leap in that regard) 4 was kinda average but everything from 5 up started to put more effort into the plot and the anime literally didn't know what to do with itself. Characters like N and Lillie either got relegated to being side characters or had their character arcs neutered. And you know what? They didn't have to. They could still have Ash as the main character and of kept their stories intact. But the fact that they would've vastly overshadowed his forced the writers to bland them down. It's tall poppy syndrome. And it's the main reason I don't like Ash. The characters around him have to be washed out half the time so it's less obvious he's a 90's shonen protagonist. Hey remember how Kiawe wanted to be a dancer but was having trouble making ends meet and had to struggle between following his dreams and making a living? Oh wait now he's comic relief never mind.
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darkeshado posted:There is neat little thing the anime does that I didn't notice until I read about it on bulbapedia. Remember when Gary showed up with 10 badges before challenging Giovanni? Well apparently almost every region in the anime is shown to have more than eight gyms, with the exception of Johto for some reason (It might have more gyms but we're no given any hints), hell Kanto apparently has at least 27 gyms in the anime. If you look closely pretty much whenever someone who isn't Ash shows off their badges they have at least one that's not in the games. Kind of makes the world fell bigger, though no one calling attention to it almost makes it feel too subtle. Anime Kanto definitely has more than 8, but I think it's less than 27. The one guy with 8 unique badges could be rationalized as being from Johto (although that probably wasn't the writer's intent at the time), and I think only one 1 of Otoishi's badges was actually supposed to be different from the ones in the games; the others were just drawn off-model. That makes just 16 Kanto Gyms, a far more reasonable number as it means there doesn't need to be any overlapping types.
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Flopsy posted:I'll give you 1, 2, and 3, (although the remakes of gen 3 were a huge leap in that regard) 4 was kinda average but everything from 5 up started to put more effort into the plot and the anime literally didn't know what to do with itself. Characters like N and Lillie either got relegated to being side characters or had their character arcs neutered. And you know what? They didn't have to. They could still have Ash as the main character and of kept their stories intact. But the fact that they would've vastly overshadowed his forced the writers to bland them down. It's tall poppy syndrome. And it's the main reason I don't like Ash. The characters around him have to be washed out half the time so it's less obvious he's a 90's shonen protagonist. Don't forget 6! I have my problems with the XY anime, but it did wonders to the cast from the games. So that's 5 out of 7 that the anime wins out. And in SM's case, honestly, i'd say it kinda averages out, too. SM is a pretty good story, of course, but the anime version also has them as pretty good characters, just far lighter. Kiawe is an extremely passionate, basically religious friend that gets the best gags all the time. Like, even if Ash wasn't the protagonist, I doubt hte Pokemon anime would suddenly feature a character who is struggling with poverty in hte main cast.
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Ash is actually a Shezzarine
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edit: Nevermind.
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Sep 29, 2019 07:06
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Hey Flopsy can you please stop posting weird about the anime adaptation?
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Actually, stop posting about the anime at all tyia
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TheKingofSprings posted:Hey Flopsy can you please stop posting weird about the anime adaptation? Gladly.
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CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:Ash is actually a Shezzarine The Tribunal's arrogant misuse of the Heart of Arceus will come back to bite them when Vigoroth Ur returns.
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