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JerryLee posted:If you're using it to fix your colors at all in addition to just accelerating, it can be relevant to be able to do that consistently with no additional investment. Yep, this too. I think Goose is a much better card overall.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Hard Disagree. A late game BoP is a dead draw, this is at least a Food, and it can make food on future turns. Plus another toughness. They are both bad late game draws. Birds is far and away the better dork and its not close.
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Sep 29, 2019 22:07
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Goose is a very good card but it needs at least one other food producer to use it to its full potential.
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Sep 29, 2019 22:07
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Sep 29, 2019 22:08
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Sickening posted:They are both bad late game draws. Birds is far and away the better dork and its not close.
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Sep 29, 2019 22:09
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:BoP is a bad late game draw. Goose is suboptimal. There's a difference. Suboptimal? 
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Sep 29, 2019 22:14
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Goose has more upside in a deck with other food users/producers and the extra toughness is useful in a standard where lots of 1/xs want to attack The goose is not gonna upend Legacy or whatever though
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Sep 29, 2019 22:16
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Sickening posted:Suboptimal? a late game birds that had an alternate mode of 2G gain 3 and had the ability 3G, T: gain 3 would be a very good bird honk honk
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Sep 29, 2019 22:16
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Sep 29, 2019 22:22
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I think BoP is 99% of the time better, but there is something to be said about having a mana dork that can gain you 3 life on demand.
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Sep 29, 2019 22:22
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fadam posted:I think BoP is 99% of the time better, but there is something to be said about having a mana dork that can gain you 3 life on demand. 
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Sep 29, 2019 22:23
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Sickening posted:Suboptimal? Feel free to illustrate why BoP is a better late game draw than Goose.
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Sep 29, 2019 22:25
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Tubgoat posted:
The other was when I was playing some guy who took forever to do anything and mumbled as if he had a phobia of his own voice. I asked him "hey could you speak up a bit so I can hear you over the games behind me?" and he loving slaps my deck across the table, then stares at me like he's about to jump the table if I say anything to him. I call the judge and tell him what happened, dude gets booted. I come back the next week and Angelo stops me at the door to say "we looked at the security cam footage and decided you must have said something to provoke him, so we're banning you from playing here for a month. You can still buy things here though!  " I told him to get leprosy and left.And now I take every opportunity I get to tell these stories because they really are indicative of my experiences with a substantial number of both the players and employees at Yawgmoth fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Sep 29, 2019 |
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Sep 29, 2019 22:28
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Uh, wow. I'm a semi-regular, I need some details.
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Sickening posted:Birds is way better than this card. Goose is way better with Oko. I think that birds being "way better" is overplaying (  ) your position. Slightly better? Situationally better? Maybe.
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Sep 29, 2019 22:30
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Feel free to illustrate why BoP is a better late game draw than Goose. It's not, but BoP is substantially better early game in the non-standard decks that want a dork. In Modern at least, not having to gently caress around with food to get a second mana-ability activation is worth a lot in decks that actually run BoP. Maybe, maaaaaaaybe there's an argument to be made that a 3-1 BoP/Goose split is worth it if you're in a really aggressive meta where you'll want to eat the food as a safety plan, but in a vacuum I just don't see it being worth it in a format as lethal as Modern. fadam fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Sep 29, 2019 |
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Sep 29, 2019 22:35
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Feel free to illustrate why BoP is a better late game draw than Goose. They are both a bad late game draws. I never said birds was the better late game draw. This card being slightly less poo poo late game is pretty meaningless as you are playing them to be a dork and the birds is a better dork.
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Sep 29, 2019 22:36
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fadam posted:It's not, but BoP is substantially better early game in the non-standard decks that want a dork. In Modern at least, not having to gently caress around with food to get a second mana-ability activation is worth a lot in decks that actually run BoP. I mean that guy thought it was such a hilarious concept he used like 6 Laffo emotes, so I'd love to hear it from him. Sickening posted:They are both a bad late game draws. I never said birds was the better late game draw. This card being slightly less poo poo late game is pretty meaningless as you are playing them to be a dork and the birds is a better dork. Soooooo nothing in my post was wrong, you just thought it was hilarious because you have some sort of brain damage?
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:I mean that guy thought it was such a hilarious concept he used like 6 Laffo emotes, so I'd love to hear it from him. Your post was wrong. Its not sub-optimal, its bad. They are bad late game cards. 
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Sep 29, 2019 22:41
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Yawgmoth posted:
But if you really tried this, the marshmallows would be toxic and inedible.
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Sep 29, 2019 22:44
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Sickening posted:Your post was wrong. Its not sub-optimal, its bad. They are bad late game cards. So you think it's an Uncommon tier? That is ludicrous
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Sep 29, 2019 22:45
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:So you think it's an Uncommon tier? That is ludicrous I think rare makes sense, but I wouldn't be like insanely surprised to see a card like Goose at uncommon. Compare it to something like RR. Just be happy WotC didn't make the goose an important story character and upgrade it to Mythic.
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Sep 29, 2019 22:46
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^ ^ ^ I laughed and cried internally at that thought. I could see it being costed at 1G and being an uncommon, but I can also see why many would be disappointed to open one as the rare from a pack they're not currently drafting.
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Sep 29, 2019 22:48
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The only card in the set (other than Brazen Borrower lol) that I'm butthurt about Rarity for is "Once Upon a Time." Unique as it is, I think it could have been an uncommon no problem.
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Sep 29, 2019 22:49
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Drewjitsu posted:Goose is way better with Oko. An unconditional dork is definitely the higher power level card.
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Sep 29, 2019 22:49
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:So you think it's an Uncommon tier? That is ludicrous Its definitely something that is a feels bad to use up some wildcards on which was why I said "yikes". I would also hate opening it in a pack in paper. As for limited, it doesn't scream to me as something that would be too good at uncommon but I will leave it up to the folks who play limited more often to chime in on.
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Sep 29, 2019 22:55
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Goose should absolutely be an uncommon but I am not good enough at magic to say whether or not it being uncommon would gently caress up the limited format
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Sep 29, 2019 22:58
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It would likely be one of the best uncommons, since 2 mana make a food every turn would by itself be quite a good ability for a lot of decks. It's also just a complicated card so it seems fine as a rare.
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I opened a showcase brazen borrower in my packs for prerelease today. God, the art on the showcase cards is loving beautiful.
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Sep 29, 2019 23:15
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i have goose in one of my sealed decks and it's beyond ridiculous to crank out a food every turn you have some spare mana lying around.
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Count Bleck posted:I opened a showcase brazen borrower in my packs for prerelease today. Trade it before release!
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TheDemon posted:Nice, collector booster cards are a different size and shape than normal cards... i can't imagine wotc banning them, but aren't they effectively marked cards? definitely harder to tell with sleeves on, but probably still useful for cheaters with good sleight of hand
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Sep 30, 2019 00:06
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I would guess that it's nigh-impossible to differentiate them when sleeved
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Sampatrick posted:Goose should absolutely be an uncommon but I am not good enough at magic to say whether or not it being uncommon would gently caress up the limited format The only reason Goose wouldn't be the best uncommon in the set is because there's at least two rares already masquerading as uncommon in the set in Syr Carah and Epic Downfall. 1G, T: Make a Food being so readily available would completely break most Food synergies in the set and make Goose almost impossible to punch past late-game with any other existing kind of board. Learned that one at my pre-release running WUr Knights/Fliers against a B/G Food deck with a Goose and plenty of outlets for it. Mr. Locke fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Sep 30, 2019 |
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Sep 30, 2019 00:19
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Feel free to illustrate why BoP is a better late game draw than Goose. It can tap for mana every turn with no other resources necessary.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:It can tap for mana every turn with no other resources necessary. So can a land.
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sit on my Facebook posted:I would guess that it's nigh-impossible to differentiate them when sleeved But think about the poor quad sleevers who can't fit these all in
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Goose + Bog Naughty (or any other Food payoff) is pretty heinous and making Goose uncommon would make such combinations way more likely. Birds is obviously better than Goose in any format where they're both legal but it's not because Goose is worse late-game, it's because Goose doesn't tap for mana on turn 3 unless you played Oko the previous turn. I have no idea what on earth anybody in this discussion is actually trying to prove 
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Sep 30, 2019 00:59
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ungulateman posted:Goose + Bog Naughty (or any other Food payoff) is pretty heinous and making Goose uncommon would make such combinations way more likely. I don't get it either. There is literally nothing to gain from slamming "This card is unplayable tier bad" without even considering potential. Same with "this is broken!" but the latter makes you look naive at worst and the former makes you come off as an aggressive jerk to anyone who wants to discuss the potential uses for the card.
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When I first saw Emry, my first reaction was, "well that looks broken, since it's almost always 1 mana past turn 1 in the decks that want it and it isn't hard to be 1 mana on turn 1. I wonder how good it is." And then I played a couple leagues with Emry and turns out she is broken.
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ungulateman posted:lovestruck beast might be the best limited card below mythic in this set lmao Some pre-release stories. Let's start with the above. Game 3. Final round. My opponent is fairly new to magic; he's built R/G. He's playing non-Humans, some pump spells, and some equipment. I'm on U/W stuff. He's on the play. Turn 1 (him): He plays the 1/1 that gets +1/+1 when it attacks/blocks if you control another non-human. Turn 1 (me): Nothing Turn 2 (him): Sends a Lovestruck Beast on an Adventure to make 1/1. (Nice card, I mentally think). He then sends another Lovestruck Beast on an Adventure to make another 1/1 (WTF, I mentally think). Attack for 1. Turn 2 (me): Nothing, holding up <tap 2 dudes> Adventure (2/3 flier). Turn 3 (him): Cast Beast. Try to attack, I tap 2 guys. I go to 18. Turn 3 (me): Cast a 2/3 flier. Looking grim... Turn 4 (him): Pre-combat, cast the other Beast, leaving up one red mana. Attack all-in (5 + 2 + 1 + 1). I block the 2/2 1 drop. He has the +2/+2 one mana trick. I go to 10, he has 14 power in play, and I have no board. Turn 4 (me): <Thinks about if there was a ritual in the format, so I could cast the "Giant Wrath" on Turn 4, which wasnt even in my deck> I concede. =============================================== Round 1/Game 1, first match with the new set for me. The following things all happened in ONE GAME, which went into turns before it ended. 1. Ardenvale Tactician went on a real storybook adventure, as it was cast with adventure 3 times and entered the battlefield as a creature 3 times. First, from my hand (adventure, then play). Opponent bounced it, then stole it with Covetous Urge, and sent it on an adventure and then played it. I bounced it again, and then adventure/play one more time. 2. My opponent stopped my from milling him out with the Folio of Fancies by adding 3 counters to his Midnight Clock during his upkeep. I then milled him out two turns later. 3. FAE OF WISHES (4 mana, tutor your sideboard). Note that my deck was in sleeves. I cast the Fae 3 times in the game. First, I got Run Away Together, and bounced it and an opponent's creature. Second, I wanted to have fun and the game had gone on a long time, so it was value time. I went and got my pre-release promo, STILL IN THE WRAPPER, Dance of the Manse, and cast it for 8, bringing back a 5/5 artifact creature and Glass Casket as a 4/4 creature which exiled an opponents creature. Finally, I cast a Run Away Together that was in my deck to bounce it a 3rd time, and went and got a draw-2/lose-2 black card, to target my opponent with to help mill him. My opponent then cast another Covetous Urge, and cast my unsleeved Foreboding Fruit to my put me to 2 life before he was milled out the 2nd time (for good) during turn 2 of turns. By the end there, I had 2 unsleeved cards and a card STILL IN THE WRAPPER in my graveyard. My opponent also had cast an unsleeved card and almost killed me with it. Is this UNSTABLE??? =============== During 2HG, we opened 5 of 4 different cards: 5x Gingerbrute, Locthwain Paladin, Witch's Courage, Crashing Drawbridge. The pack runs are weird. Our first round opponents had a 5x of the pinging wall; jealous! =============== If anyone has zany stories, tell them! logis fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Sep 30, 2019 |
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