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SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

I get that Bernie Sanders didn't get his fair shakes in 2016, this does not make every news story that doesn't feature him part of a grand conspiracy against him.

It used to be fairly normal to not mention campaigning candidates much unless something newsworthy was happening, but I understand the way that the pissfuck found to game the system to generate constant coverage by constantly putting out offensive statements may have colored your current worldview.

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Streak
May 16, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo

SlothfulCobra posted:

I get that Bernie Sanders didn't get his fair shakes in 2016, this does not make every news story that doesn't feature him part of a grand conspiracy against him.

It used to be fairly normal to not mention campaigning candidates much unless something newsworthy was happening, but I understand the way that the pissfuck found to game the system to generate constant coverage by constantly putting out offensive statements may have colored your current worldview.

you're incredibly ignorant.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo
I guess the answer to "how long before the idiots that believe communism is a remotely viable economic policy reach critical mass again" is about 60 years.

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop

SlothfulCobra posted:

It used to be fairly normal to not mention campaigning candidates much unless something newsworthy was happening

Yeah, no, no it is not actually normal that this show finds five or ten minutes out of every single episode to devote to the ruling party's candidate, yet has never, in the entire run of the show, mentioned the opposition leader's existence in spite of two presidential elections happening. You don't think those are something newsworthy? You don't think the opposition leader has done anything at all newsworthy in years?

Azhais posted:

I guess the answer to "how long before the idiots that believe communism is a remotely viable economic policy reach critical mass again" is about 60 years.

No one has mentioned communism, idiot. Bernie's economic and social program proposals are in place and working in many other countries besides the United States, and are fairly mild when you hear them out compared to what they could be and when compared to what some countries already have.

Happy Thread fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Aug 21, 2019

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Azhais posted:

I guess the answer to "how long before the idiots that believe communism is a remotely viable economic policy reach critical mass again" is about 60 years.

Bernie is a mild democratic socialist, ya dingus

Sinistral
Jan 2, 2013

Dumb Lowtax posted:

Yeah, no, no it is not actually normal that this show finds five or ten minutes out of every single episode to devote to the ruling party's candidate, yet has never, in the entire run of the show, mentioned the opposition leader's existence in spite of two presidential elections happening. You don't think those are something newsworthy? You don't think the opposition leader has done anything at all newsworthy in years?



Bernie is in no way, shape or form the “opposition leader” lol

Mostly Lurking
Sep 25, 2008

Sinistral posted:

Bernie is in no way, shape or form the “opposition leader” lol

Only because the media's job at this point is to erase any mention of him unless he stumbles; which, if he was Biden, his name would be deafening at this point.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Dumb Lowtax posted:

Yeah, no, no it is not actually normal that this show finds five or ten minutes out of every single episode to devote to the ruling party's candidate, yet has never, in the entire run of the show, mentioned the opposition leader's existence in spite of two presidential elections happening. You don't think those are something newsworthy? You don't think the opposition leader has done anything at all newsworthy in years?

Like I said, the fact that the entirety of news media has been gamed to fall over itself uncritically reporting every time the racist liar says something racist or lies is itself an aberration that nobody really knows how to deal with rather than the new standard everything should be judged against.

For comparison, the last time the show did a big rundown of the primaries (and how they're horrible) was in 2016, the year of the election and after tangible progress in the primaries had been made rather than just a bunch of subjective judgement of talking points and poll numbers. Might be worth a watch to remind you of how the primaries are terrible though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S2G8jhhUHg

But beyond that, I'm not even certain that the premise that Bernie Sanders hasn't been mentioned in a long while is even true, because I vaguely remember a brief mention of like a joint resolution he was involved in, but I'm also not willing to scrub through past episodes to find out.

Streak
May 16, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo

SlothfulCobra posted:

I'm freaking dumb as hell

reignofevil
Nov 7, 2008

SlothfulCobra posted:

Like I said, the fact that the entirety of news media has been gamed to fall over itself uncritically reporting every time the racist liar says something racist or lies is itself an aberration that nobody really knows how to deal with rather than the new standard everything should be judged against.

Why? I mean if it's good enough to win you control over mankind's largest nuclear arsenal why shouldn't we start treating it as the new normal? I think if a person is at all concerned about a gamed media uncritically reporting on a racist liar's statements the fastest solution is to admit we have a problem not try and chalk it up to 'an abberation' of how things should be.

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

*hits A-THREAD-5*

Only 3.6 Roentgoons per hour ... not great, not terrible.




...the meter only goes to 3.6...

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I think people in this thread are fixated on Sanders because he is the candidate who most taps into the oeuvre of the show:
https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/1164228993169723398?s=21

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
:bisonyes:

LadyPictureShow
Nov 18, 2005

Success!



Skippy McPants posted:

Excellent episode tonight. You'd really hope that the medical field would be the one place in the world where racial and gender biases don't permeate but nope! The joke at the end about bringing a white guy is something I've literally seen happening in real-time where a woman's pain wasn't being taken seriously until her husband restated it verbatim to the practitioner.

The latest episode was honestly upsetting to me, because I had that poo poo happen to me. I was hospitalized two years apart for what turned out to be the same thing. The first time my female friend was with me, the doctors disregarded what we were telling them about my current meds and symptoms and wildly misdiagnosed me.

The second time my boyfriend was with me, they weren't listening to me, but two residents stopped and listened to what my boyfriend was telling them about my symptoms and medications and figured it out. He later told me 'yeah, your heartbeat was so rapid, I had to tell them three goddamn times that you weren't on meth'.

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

it's in the mighty hands of steel
Fun Shoe
Yeah, I've known about this for quite a while. Now, the whole thing about women having heart attack symptoms that are different than men's symptoms... that's not really a surprise. For the last 30 years, I've heard reports on this in the media on TV news magazines that always seem to hit the same points. I seriously grew up thinking that heart problems weren't an issue for men because the only information I ever got on heart disease was directed at women. That, and I grew up having only one man in the family die of a heart attack, while several women in my family ended up dying of heart attacks. So that isn't anything new. But women being treated different? Let me tell you about my experience with this. And by "my experience," I mean my then-newly-wedded wife's experience.

We'd been married for just over a year, and my wife was bitten on the ankle by a spider. Not a huge deal, really; not a black widow or brown recluse. It was just itchy and a little hurty. But, it began to get red, and it started to swell a little, and it was hot to the touch, and all of that started to spread. After a week or two, she was having trouble walking on it; by this point, the red was down to the top of her foot, went all the way around her ankle, and was starting up her calf. We were young and dumb and had never seen anything like this or we'd gone to the doctor sooner, but finally we went to the ER because the pain was too much.

The doctor took one look at it and got a look on his face. I was happy, because we had no idea what this could be, and clearly he did. He had a nurse escort me to the waiting room over my wife's protest, but I told her to relax, figuring they were getting me out of the way so they could fix her up or something. An hour later, she was admitted to the hospital. I stayed for a while, but eventually I had to go and get our newborn from the sitter, so away I went. She was in good hands, but incredibly upset. A day later, she was transferred to St. Louis University hospital, as they were afraid they may have to amputate. And about this time, I started to notice that my wife was getting upset when she was asked if she had any STDs, or if she might have any. Then they pulled me aside and asked me. The answer was no. She was inconsolable, and they had to bring in counselors. I had never seen her upset like this, and I was really worried.

What had happened was this: at the first hospital, the ER doctor immediately diagnosed her with infectious arthritis caused by gonorrhea, a disease she had never, didn't then, and has never had. They assumed she'd been cheating on me and had picked up the disease, which is why they removed me from the ER that day--they were grilling her so she'd admit it. And the kicker is that neither the doctor nor anyone else on the hospital's staff ever asked me about it, which seems like an obvious thing to do since I've heard talk that sometimes, men cheat on their wives, and they bring STDs into the marriage bed. It wasn't the case for us, but still, that's something they should ask about!

So there she was, in incredible pain and worried about losing her foot, and all the while they're asking her every 10 minutes how she got the clap and if it's possible that she could have given it to me. Only when we got to SLU did anyone consider asking me if it were possible that I had the disease, and if I'd possibly given it to her. I hadn't. We were both tested, and she was very upset about it, crying the whole time.

Turns out, it was cellulitis. A really nasty, uncontrolled case of cellulitis, but it was cellulitis. Being given the wrong treatment obviously didn't work, but the right one cleared it up in a few days. Her ankle wasn't right for a few years, though. At least we found out she's allergic to ciprofloxacin; I guess that's a plus.

I am still pissed about that, and to this day (this was 20 years ago), I still tell anyone who will listen and most who won't to avoid that hospital like the plague. And my wife has a serious complex about male doctors ever since; she has me accompany her any time she's examined. And she actually worked in nursing for years afterward.

Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008




Yea that’s pretty hosed, if they thought that then test for it fuckfaces.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

It's great that real-life hospital doctors like to act like they're loving House.

LadyPictureShow
Nov 18, 2005

Success!



tarlibone posted:

Turns out, it was cellulitis. A really nasty, uncontrolled case of cellulitis, but it was cellulitis. Being given the wrong treatment obviously didn't work, but the right one cleared it up in a few days. Her ankle wasn't right for a few years, though. At least we found out she's allergic to ciprofloxacin; I guess that's a plus.

I am still pissed about that, and to this day (this was 20 years ago), I still tell anyone who will listen and most who won't to avoid that hospital like the plague. And my wife has a serious complex about male doctors ever since; she has me accompany her any time she's examined. And she actually worked in nursing for years afterward.

Holy crap. That's awful and ridiculous. I can believe you're still pissed off about that. My dad was hospitalized with cellulitis that led to sepsis in the 90s, and they diagnosed him lickety-split. That's terrible they jerked your wife around so much.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

SlothfulCobra posted:

It's great that real-life hospital doctors like to act like they're loving House.

God complex being prevalent amongst medical professionals is not fiction.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Anesthesia was invented so patients would shut the gently caress up while doctors are cutting them open.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

Lurdiak posted:

Anesthesia was invented so patients would shut the gently caress up while doctors are cutting them open.

yeah constantly having "AAAHHH OH MY GOD THIS HURTS" yelled at you while you're doing your job really affects performance.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
So you're a professional dom(me)?

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

it's in the mighty hands of steel
Fun Shoe
Anesthesia was invented so Cliff Burton would have something to call his bass solo.

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

Doctors are people and people are terrible and oh, poo poo, this field requires your parents to be rich as gently caress, so in there too, and you know how insufferable people are when they go to school for something for seven years?

Add in the broken medical system on top of this and it's a miracle we're not all dead or bankrupt or both.

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



This poo poo was a living nightmare for me back when I was in college. I have an illness that can cause debilitating and random pain flare-ups, and it's been documented for years, and I go for regular check-ups and treatments from a legitimate doctor from an award-winning hospital. This didn't stop the nearby emergency room from deciding that I was a drug-seeker, after I'd been to the ER a half dozen times in a couple months during a particularly bad period. After one or two visits where the only thing that stopped the pain was Dilaudid and Zofran, I made the mistake of telling the triage nurse "I was here with this a couple weeks ago and the only thing that stopped the pain was Dilaudid and Zofran." The doctor KNEW I was a drug seeker, refused to give me narcotics, and told me my disease doesn't cause pain like that (sure). I told him to give me a drug screen, the only thing they'd find was weed. Drug screen came back "inconclusive", according to him, because he couldn't admit the evidence didn't bear out his hypothesis. Left me writhing in agony for upwards of four hours before it went away on its own.

Stupid me went back there the next time and they didn't even admit me, just left me vomiting and moaning in the waiting room until I was too annoying, then they moved me to another tiny private waiting room so I could get on with it without bothering them. My mother eventually showed up and tried to advocate on my behalf, and they told her I was a druggie and other people in the waiting room saw me stick my fingers down my throat to throw up (sure).

I have never been more disillusioned with a practice I'd been taught to respect. At least when politicians gently caress you over they didn't claim to be devoting their lives to healing the sick.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



Phenotype posted:

This poo poo was a living nightmare for me back when I was in college. I have an illness that can cause debilitating and random pain flare-ups, and it's been documented for years, and I go for regular check-ups and treatments from a legitimate doctor from an award-winning hospital. This didn't stop the nearby emergency room from deciding that I was a drug-seeker, after I'd been to the ER a half dozen times in a couple months during a particularly bad period. After one or two visits where the only thing that stopped the pain was Dilaudid and Zofran, I made the mistake of telling the triage nurse "I was here with this a couple weeks ago and the only thing that stopped the pain was Dilaudid and Zofran." The doctor KNEW I was a drug seeker, refused to give me narcotics, and told me my disease doesn't cause pain like that (sure). I told him to give me a drug screen, the only thing they'd find was weed. Drug screen came back "inconclusive", according to him, because he couldn't admit the evidence didn't bear out his hypothesis. Left me writhing in agony for upwards of four hours before it went away on its own.

Stupid me went back there the next time and they didn't even admit me, just left me vomiting and moaning in the waiting room until I was too annoying, then they moved me to another tiny private waiting room so I could get on with it without bothering them. My mother eventually showed up and tried to advocate on my behalf, and they told her I was a druggie and other people in the waiting room saw me stick my fingers down my throat to throw up (sure).

I have never been more disillusioned with a practice I'd been taught to respect. At least when politicians gently caress you over they didn't claim to be devoting their lives to healing the sick.

What happened to you is an unfortunate reaction to the period of liberal opiate/opioid prescription that resulted in the mess we're in now; now all healthcare professionals are hyper-sensitive to potential drug-seekers. However, it would've been illegal for any ED to refuse service to you, and it sounds like you ran into some shockingly unprofessional providers. (It wouldn't have been out of the question, however, to make you wait if you were triaged and they had to attend to more serious cases - yours wasn't life-threatening, after all.)

Also, note that the 2nd drug you described - Ondansetron - is an anti-emetic, not an analgesic. It wouldn't have been suspicious to request that in the first place, however if that provided some relief then that'd offer hints to the root cause of your symptoms, and ideally the goal would be to treat them, but I can't figure out what you have just from the limited information provided.

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

*hits A-THREAD-5*

Only 3.6 Roentgoons per hour ... not great, not terrible.




...the meter only goes to 3.6...

Pork Pro

Atomizer posted:

What happened to you is an unfortunate reaction to the period of liberal opiate/opioid prescription that resulted in the mess we're in now; now all healthcare professionals are hyper-sensitive to potential drug-seekers. However, it would've been illegal for any ED to refuse service to you, and it sounds like you ran into some shockingly unprofessional providers. (It wouldn't have been out of the question, however, to make you wait if you were triaged and they had to attend to more serious cases - yours wasn't life-threatening, after all.)

Also, note that the 2nd drug you described - Ondansetron - is an anti-emetic, not an analgesic. It wouldn't have been suspicious to request that in the first place, however if that provided some relief then that'd offer hints to the root cause of your symptoms, and ideally the goal would be to treat them, but I can't figure out what you have just from the limited information provided.

It's illegal for healthcare providers to check your insurance but somehow I get much better care on my new corporate health plan than I ever did on medicare so :nallears:

:airquote: illegal :airquote: means exactly jack poo poo to most medical professionals I've ever met or dealt with.

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



Atomizer posted:

What happened to you is an unfortunate reaction to the period of liberal opiate/opioid prescription that resulted in the mess we're in now; now all healthcare professionals are hyper-sensitive to potential drug-seekers. However, it would've been illegal for any ED to refuse service to you, and it sounds like you ran into some shockingly unprofessional providers. (It wouldn't have been out of the question, however, to make you wait if you were triaged and they had to attend to more serious cases - yours wasn't life-threatening, after all.)

Also, note that the 2nd drug you described - Ondansetron - is an anti-emetic, not an analgesic. It wouldn't have been suspicious to request that in the first place, however if that provided some relief then that'd offer hints to the root cause of your symptoms, and ideally the goal would be to treat them, but I can't figure out what you have just from the limited information provided.

It's Crohn's Disease, not to be mysterious about it, and yeah, the Zofran wasn't the issue, but the fact that I came in and specifically asked for Dilaudid was solid conclusive proof that I was drug seeking, no matter my medical history, drug screen, or the fact that that was exactly how they treated my symptoms before. And this was a good ten years ago, before the opioid crisis was so visible.

John Oliver did an episode about that a couple years ago actually, and it made me so angry that I almost sent them a nasty email. He made a joke out of some professional that was on TV trying to explain it: "Some of these people are not drug-seeking, they're relief-seeking" but of course it looks like the exact same thing, and Oliver mocked him. But no, that's a real drat thing. My specialists are treating the root cause of my symptoms, but when I have debilitating pain and uncontrollable vomiting, I should be able to seek relief at a hospital without going through that kind of poo poo. And I shouldn't be conclusively tagged as a druggie for the crime of knowing what they used to control my symptoms before.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


how the gently caress did turkmenistan get the two craziest leaders in history back to back.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

It's illegal for healthcare providers to check your insurance but somehow I get much better care on my new corporate health plan than I ever did on medicare so :nallears:

:airquote: illegal :airquote: means exactly jack poo poo to most medical professionals I've ever met or dealt with.

Illegal in terms of not being able to discriminate based on who your coverage is. All the more reason to go single-payer, universal healthcare, but let's not go crazy here! :rolleyes: Anyways, as a healthcare professional myself, I can tell you that most of the people providing service aren't going to care about your insurance because they're not the ones who have to pursue payment and aren't personally getting paid by your insurer, but that might be a little different in a medical office (as opposed to a hospital.) That might be little comfort to you or anyone else who has experienced discrimination in this area, but I just wanted to share that. :shobon:

Phenotype posted:

It's Crohn's Disease, not to be mysterious about it, and yeah, the Zofran wasn't the issue, but the fact that I came in and specifically asked for Dilaudid was solid conclusive proof that I was drug seeking, no matter my medical history, drug screen, or the fact that that was exactly how they treated my symptoms before. And this was a good ten years ago, before the opioid crisis was so visible.

John Oliver did an episode about that a couple years ago actually, and it made me so angry that I almost sent them a nasty email. He made a joke out of some professional that was on TV trying to explain it: "Some of these people are not drug-seeking, they're relief-seeking" but of course it looks like the exact same thing, and Oliver mocked him. But no, that's a real drat thing. My specialists are treating the root cause of my symptoms, but when I have debilitating pain and uncontrollable vomiting, I should be able to seek relief at a hospital without going through that kind of poo poo. And I shouldn't be conclusively tagged as a druggie for the crime of knowing what they used to control my symptoms before.

Ah ok, Crohn's is reasonably common, I just couldn't have guessed that based on the information provided! In that case, I can see why Ondansetron might provide some relief, and as there's no cure, managing the disease largely revolves around treating the symptoms (rather than there being some root cause that can be addressed like I mentioned in the last post.) It's just that there are drug seekers who come in asking for their narcotic of choice, and unfortunately you were lumped in with them. :( I don't think there's more that you could've done beyond saying, "check my medical history, I have Crohn's, the meds used to treat me last time were the only ones that worked." :(

pwn
May 27, 2004

This Christmas get "Shoes"









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Fantastic ad in August 20 issue of Variety

Ignis
Mar 31, 2011

I take it you don't want my autograph, then.


LWT won two creative emmys, "Outstanding Technical Direction, Camerawork, Video Control For A Series" for the Psychics episode and "Outstanding Picture Editing For Variety Programming" for the Wax and the Furious skit.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



As someone who seems to be consistently going through the green card process, I enjoyed last nights coverage.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

The point is to hold people in a nebulous unperson status with no rights or voice that can be occasionally exterminated for easy points with racists.

And all of that rigamarole is just how hard it is to come here and get acknowledged as an "immigrant" as opposed to being on multi-year visas like a big chunk out of your life is just some tourism. The path from green card to citizenship is even more unlikely and almost impossible, and there's people trying to make it even more unlikely by removing birthright citizenship, creating some kind of permanent underclass of legal unpersons.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
: the TV show

Like many other things about the US it's completely ridiculous and will never get fixed because the status quo is just lovely enough to keep everyone happy

Ignis
Mar 31, 2011

I take it you don't want my autograph, then.


I'm gonna have dreams of RuPaul saying "OINTMENT SCHEME?!" over and over tonight

Crusty Nutsack
Apr 21, 2005

SUCK LASER, COPPERS


I am very annoyed that they used a male eclectus parrot for the parrot girlfriend :parrot: (females are red)

Nouvelle Vague
Feb 16, 2011

Endut! Hoch Hech!
gently caress you Michael Bolton!

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

Nouvelle Vague posted:

gently caress you Michael Bolton!

No gently caress YOU :mad:

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Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




What the gently caress is wrong with Michael Bolton's face?

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