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Paradoxish posted:I have no doubt whatsoever that McConnell is loving dying to stab Trump in the back. I think he's hedging his bets here so that he actually has the opportunity if the polling looks good. Trump supporters are loyal to Trump first and the Republican Party second. The Republican Party cannot win without Trump's base. They won't throw him under the bus.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I really wonder if Trump will experience his own Goldwater moment where some GOP representatives will recommend that he just resign. Not saying he will do it but will things get bad enough where the question might actually be posed. He won't, though. I bet the question has already been asked earlier in this term.
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Sep 30, 2019 16:37
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1178678932511559680 https://mobile.twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1178679603478568963 Cry more little spitball
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Sep 30, 2019 16:39
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“We must question what kind of agenda the witness to the obvious crime that the accused has openly given out damning evidence may have”.
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Sep 30, 2019 16:41
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All that stuff is in the loving complaint
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Sep 30, 2019 16:42
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If McConnell and the GOP backstab Trump it will literally destroy the party. Every single CHUD will primary or stay home. Just look at what the BREXIT party did to the Tories in the UK over a similiar split .
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Sep 30, 2019 16:44
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Whataboutism has metastasized in the GOP hive-mind to where crimes are mutually exclusive and only the worst of the crimes can be prosecuted. It makes talking about this so much easier, “Wait - Biden committed crimes, too? Then yes I agree we should investigate those as well.”
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Sep 30, 2019 16:44
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:All that stuff is in the loving complaint Yeah but he didn't read it, and won't read it even if you strapped him to a chair and forced his eyes open, Ludovico Technique-style.
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Sep 30, 2019 16:48
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evilweasel posted:https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1178690708317716481 I think they're getting ready to cut trump loose. As this investigation gets underway he will get more and more erratic. It's only been a week, nothing has really happened yet and hes threatening civil war and arresting political opponents for treason. When the investigation gets underway - the whistleblower hearing, his private calls with Putin- when they come out hes going to look like an actual traitor. Hows he going to act then? Try to invade California? Declare New Jersey illegitimate? Nuke iran? Fox news has already started to turn on him. They never talked about his bad new before. MItch mcconnel said he would let something get to the floor: that never happens. Trumps going to get worse. Once he feels that Republicans have abandoned him, all hell is gonna break loose; "crazy as a trapped shithouse rat" is not a good description of someone who has access to a military and nukes.
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Sep 30, 2019 16:50
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Willo567 posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1178678932511559680 i thought this was a good explanation of what's going on: quote:3. In moments like this, defenders of a president under threat will circle around until they find some footing on which to defend him or her. That may be on the merits, arguing some point of fact or law, arguing a broader context. The President’s most vocal defenders have been defending him. But what is most notable is that they have yet to find any ground they find firm enough to dig in on. To put it differently, they’ve yet to find any way to defend his conduct. The defenses put forward so far have been risible and rapidly discarded for others. Notably, most Republican members of Congress are simply avoiding the press and waiting to see what happens. That’s all a bad sign for the President. lindsey is busy trying to make this dumb line of attack a thing, but he's obviously failing and nobody feels like digging in on this issue with him. none of those idiots can come up with a line of attack that passes the laugh test, but lindsey thinks if he makes this one stick he's going to be the hero so he's giving it the ol' college try
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evilweasel posted:i thought this was a good explanation of what's going on: Yeah, clown college 
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Angry_Ed posted:Yeah but he didn't read it, and won't read it even if you strapped him to a chair and forced his eyes open, Ludovico Technique-style. He read it, he's just a craven, lying piece of poo poo. He knows he can't win without the cult.
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https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1178690086763782145 This is just plain embarrassing at this point.
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OddObserver posted:Isn't Wohl in process of being tried for financial crimes, or am I getting my grifters confused? That thing was done and over with a while ago while he was a minor. Jacob Wohl has the honor of being the youngest person in history to be banned for life by the NFA from selling securities.
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It’s now Monday and the GOP is still rudderless with their defense of Trump. The best they can do is either attack the whistle blowers credibility or, for the most part, just remain silent. And for once the media doesn’t appear to be helping them.
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Sep 30, 2019 16:55
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Guze posted:He read it, he's just a craven, lying piece of poo poo. yeah lindsey is up for re-election this year and, prior to the kavanaugh hearings, had a potential problem in his primary he's been busy solving that issue by being the most shameless republican lickspittle possible - quite effectively too, i don't think he's got any serious risk of losing his primary anymore
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evilweasel posted:Lindsey is busy trying to make this dumb line of attack a thing, but he's obviously failing and nobody feels like digging in on this issue with him. none of those idiots can come up with a line of attack that passes the laugh test, but lindsey thinks if he makes this one stick he's going to be the hero so he's giving it the ol' college try It might have been an okay line of attack if they'd been able to make that the marching order early enough. Beat the drum early that there's nothing to see here and hope everybody tunes out. Of course, that would have required Donnie and Rudy to stop admitting to everything lol. If I had to bet on what's going on in the other house, my money's on the Republicans in the Senate a doing a careful calculus of who gets to vote for/against impeachment in a way that will prevent removal from office but still let the purple state Senators say "well, I tried."
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Sep 30, 2019 16:58
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Rigel posted:That thing was done and over with a while ago while he was a minor. Jacob Wohl has the honor of being the youngest person in history to be banned for life by the NFA from selling securities. No, he just recently got caught violating that ban https://www.thedailybeast.com/jacob-wohl-wanted-on-felony-arrest-warrant
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1178690086763782145 This will be devastating for Preside- I mean, Speake- wait, what do you mean she doesn't even have a job
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1178690086763782145 Yep they'd better get right on that investigation of President Hilary and Secretary of State Biden!
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Sep 30, 2019 16:59
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Only a couple minutes until the Jacob Wohl/Jack Burkman Stunt Spectacular. Wonder if Burkman will remember to XYZ this time.
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Sep 30, 2019 16:59
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evilweasel posted:yeah Before anyone asks, Graham is safe in the general. A couple polls this year put him at about +20. If his election becomes close.... well hell, then that means McConnell probably loses badly.
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buddhist nudist posted:It might have been an okay line of attack if they'd been able to make that the marching order early enough. Beat the drum early that there's nothing to see here and hope everybody tunes out. Not gonna like, I hope this happens then a few GOPers try to be heroes by switching votes at the last minute to impeach him and he gets McCained. Again.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It’s now Monday and the GOP is still rudderless with their defense of Trump. The best they can do is either attack the whistle blowers credibility or, for the most part, just remain silent. And for once the media doesn’t appear to be helping them. I thought for sure they'd rally behind one narrative or another, having had the entire weekend to do so, yet they couldn't even pull that off. The silence is damning.
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The Glumslinger posted:No, he just recently got caught violating that ban that's not what that article says he was banned in 20q7, and this are charges from a different scam that he was running in 2016 pre ban
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Sep 30, 2019 17:03
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The hearsay and second hand info complaints would work a lot better if some dunderhead didn't release the call summary that confirmed it.
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evilweasel posted:https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1178690708317716481 He presumably realizes that his best chance of maintaining a majority is to let Collins and Gardner vote to convict.
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Guze posted:The hearsay and second hand info complaints would work a lot better if some dunderhead didn't release the call summary that confirmed it. That "dunderhead" being the President of the United States
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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:that's not what that article says quote:The warrant was recalled after Wohl—best known for a spree of bizarre, half-baked political schemes—appeared in court on Wednesday. He was released on his own recognizance until his Oct. 24 arraignment on a charge of unlawful sale of securities, prosecutors said.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:He presumably realizes that his best chance of maintaining a majority is to let Collins and Gardner vote to convict. He'd also need to let Tillis and possibly McSally vote to convict as well if the evidence is compelling enough.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:That "dunderhead" being the President of the United States That doesn't sound right, Americans are too smart to elect a total soup brains.
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1178690086763782145 The GOP is going to keep attacking this Ukraine conspiracy theory to distract their base from impeachment, acquit Trump once it's passed to the Senate, and hope Trump wins in 2020. Best case scenario in this is that Trump loses in 2020 and the GOP loses the Senate. Worst case scenario is Trump wins in 2020, GOP keeps Senate, and we have a lame-duck, unimpeachable dementia President destroying the Republic. I don't see any scenario where Trump doesn't serve until 2020.
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He was so deflated and morose at his press conference a half week back. It's like he recognized he had done wrong and was finally in danger of being held accountable for it, but a weekend of ball washing in altered reality fixed him right up.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:He presumably realizes that his best chance of maintaining a majority is to let Collins and Gardner vote to convict. i am pretty convinced that there's no vote on impeachment that lets Collins or Gardner survive their election, if there's a serious enough case for impeachment they aren't auto-voting acquit. voting to convict means there's a not-insignificant amount of the trump base who refuses to vote for them at all (not that they'll vote D, just not vote).
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see my post again it's hard to violate a trading ban instated in 2017 for activites in 2016 that are being prosecuted in 2019 because of a 3 year statute of limitations
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Almost Smart posted:He was so deflated and morose at his press conference a half week back. It's like he recognized he had done wrong and was finally in danger of being held accountable for it, but a weekend of ball washing in altered reality fixed him right up. Eh. Hiding behind his Twitter account lets him feel like a big brave boy. Put him in front of cameras and pissed-off reporters again and see how he does.
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Data Graham posted:In completely unrelated circumstances I came to a conclusion a while ago that one of the most key milestones of emotional maturity is being able to admit having been wrong—indeed, realizing that admitting you were wrong makes you better liked than having a perfect track record of being right all the time. Addendum: "I was wrong because I didn't go far enough" isn't admitting you were wrong and is actually the opposite.
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evilweasel posted:i am pretty convinced that there's no vote on impeachment that lets Collins or Gardner survive their election, if there's a serious enough case for impeachment they aren't auto-voting acquit. voting to convict means there's a not-insignificant amount of the trump base who refuses to vote for them at all (not that they'll vote D, just not vote). That makes a lot of sense too, but in that case why would he let it go to a vote? I guess the obvious answer to this question is that he's planning on going back on this.
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