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lol trump got bullied out of the oval office by mean reporters https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1178742789582000128
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TulliusCicero posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but how could a "Castle Defense" possibly apply here? It's not her "castle" or home for gently caress sakes, she drunkenly broke into someone else's house and shot them dead when they were unarmed. Because the judge said it can apply! How? White person, that's how.
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TulliusCicero posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but how could a "Castle Defense" possibly apply here? It's not her "castle" or home for gently caress sakes, she drunkenly broke into someone else's house and shot them dead when they were unarmed. She thought it was her home. That's the whole defense.
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evilweasel posted:lol trump got bullied out of the oval office by mean reporters Couldn't find a corner to hide in, huh
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My only hope is that considering the "castle defense" refers to the man who died. Like anything he may have done to "defend himself/threaten her" would be warranted.
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evilweasel posted:lol trump got bullied out of the oval office by mean reporters How does he not fall over holy crap
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TulliusCicero posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but how could a "Castle Defense" possibly apply here? It's not her "castle" or home for gently caress sakes, she drunkenly broke into someone else's house and shot them dead when they were unarmed. Well you see, she thought it was her house, and apparently that's good enough (even while drunk).
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CascadeBeta posted:She thought it was her home. That's the whole defense. The guy's apartment was cluttered, hers was not. He had a big table by the front door, she didn't. He also had a big red floormat, which she didn't have. The more I see about the case the more pissed off I get tbh.
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TulliusCicero posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but how could a "Castle Defense" possibly apply here? It's not her "castle" or home for gently caress sakes, she drunkenly broke into someone else's house and shot them dead when they were unarmed. the article didn't have a lot of info but my guess at what the defense is going for is to try to make her actions in shooting him seem more reasonable under the law as part of a push to get manslaughter (the idea being that because it wasn't her house is why it's manslaughter and not murder) this is probably to patch up some brazen lies about what she actually did (she has given the usual "i told him to stop, show his hands, and he lunged at me!" police story but all neighbors say she didn't, and the bullet wounds are consistent with him not being standing up) that make it clear she didn't actually even think she was acting in legitimate self defense
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yeah her defense is garbage even if it was your place why the gently caress are you unloading on someone the second you see them.
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https://twitter.com/vaisfourlovers/status/1178390921416601600 Debate & Discussion > USPOL Fall: Ukraine Clown Posse
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Nail Rat posted:How does he not fall over holy crap Whoever called trump a “centaur missing it’s back half” nailed that poo poo so hard. It’s all I can see.
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Groovelord Neato posted:yeah her defense is garbage even if it was your place why the gently caress are you unloading on someone the second you see them. texas it's garbage for reasonable people but it's loving texas and she's got a jury of, presumably, texans
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Sep 30, 2019 20:02
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evilweasel posted:i bet if he strokes out into a vegetative state pence only takes power as acting president rather than formally getting sworn in, because trump's base won't believe dear leader isn't gonna wake up that would make for an amazing election
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Sep 30, 2019 20:03
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Morbus posted:lmao apparently it doesn't matter whose castle you're in when applying castle doctrine No the Castle Doctrine is to justify that the cop feared for her life after breaking into someone else's apartment. She knew she was trespassing and in Texas you are allowed to shoot trespassers ergo the cop was justified to use deadly force. Such a blatant farce of a trial. She should serve the maximum term for her crime, but you have to worship cops in America so we cant convict one.
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Modern American self-defense law doesn't seem to be as much about any sort of unifying principles so much as it is a set of tools that can be applied in isolation to get the desired result.
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Ripoff posted:Whoever called trump a “centaur missing it’s back half” nailed that poo poo so hard. It’s all I can see. Though he behaves entirely like the back half of a centaur.
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TulliusCicero posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but how could a "Castle Defense" possibly apply here? It's not her "castle" or home for gently caress sakes, she drunkenly broke into someone else's house and shot them dead when they were unarmed. she's a cop and we can't start punishing cops for murdering innocents or they might not murder innocents for us anymore logger posted:No the Castle Doctrine is to justify that the cop feared for her life after breaking into someone else's apartment. She knew she was trespassing and in Texas you are allowed to shoot trespassers ergo the cop was justified to use deadly force. I feel like we need mandatory sentencing for cops or something
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1337JiveTurkey posted:Modern American self-defense law doesn't seem to be as much about any sort of unifying principles so much as it is a set of tools that can be applied in isolation to get the desired result. there's self defense law in gunfetishist states, and then there's self-defense law in sane states. in gunfetishist states self-defense laws are deliberately expanded to legalize the gunfetishist fantasy of shooting someone "legitimately"
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https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1178746337074073601 So important distinction from some of the other impeachment polls. 47% of those polled already believe that Trump should be impeached and removed from office. This is with impeachment inquiry barely even under way. There is no way this is sustainable for the GOP to continue to support him in lockstep.
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evilweasel posted:there's self defense law in gunfetishist states, and then there's self-defense law in sane states. in gunfetishist states self-defense laws are deliberately expanded to legalize the gunfetishist fantasy of shooting someone "legitimately" just change the last three words to 'shooting non-whites'
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Sep 30, 2019 20:06
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logger posted:No the Castle Doctrine is to justify that the cop feared for her life after breaking into someone else's apartment. She knew she was trespassing and in Texas you are allowed to shoot trespassers ergo the cop was justified to use deadly force. Ah, so it's not that murder is legal, it's that home invasion is legal if and only if you outgun the other guy
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haveblue posted:Ah, so it's not that murder is legal, it's that home invasion is legal if and only if you outgun the other guy Murder is legal for cops
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No Safe Word posted:Though he behaves entirely like the back half of a centaur. All that horseshit has to go somewhere.
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haveblue posted:Ah, so it's not that murder is legal, it's that home invasion is legal if and only if you outgun the other guy The tradition of manifest destiny lives on
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logger posted:No the Castle Doctrine is to justify that the cop feared for her life after breaking into someone else's apartment. She knew she was trespassing and in Texas you are allowed to shoot trespassers ergo the cop was justified to use deadly force. i'm pretty sure this is not the way even texas law works generally if you created the situation threatening your life you can't use deadly force (i.e. I can't run up and punch you, then if you wind up to punch me back shoot you in "self-defense"). i believe this applies even in legal backwaters like texas.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeMyGod/status/1178726911414923264 https://mobile.twitter.com/BSO/status/1178713956040560646 quote:Stacey Dash is a co-chair of the Trump campaign's Women for Trump advisory board
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evilweasel posted:i'm pretty sure this is not the way even texas law works it shouldn't work that way here in Texas but apparently Judge Tammy Kemp thinks it should
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Mahoning posted:https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1178746337074073601 We've already seen some cracks in that armor, too. This very well could be the last week or two of trump's presidency, I mean it also might get dragged out horrendously for the next several months, but at this point anything could happen.
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No Safe Word posted:it shouldn't work that way here in Texas but apparently Judge Tammy Kemp thinks it should i'm reluctant to infer exactly what the ruling was without more details, and the tweets that are the basis of the article do not have them. i think it's more likely bolstering the manslaughter defense
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evilweasel posted:there's self defense law in gunfetishist states, and then there's self-defense law in sane states. in gunfetishist states self-defense laws are deliberately expanded to legalize the gunfetishist fantasy of shooting someone "legitimately" even the saner states have the castle doctrine. duty to retreat (not just in public as it is in the sander states) should be the standard but only vermont and DC have it.
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I don't know the laws in texas, whether or not it's an objective or subjective test, but the defense is suggesting she believed she was in her own home, therefore she had a right to shoot the intruder. I think that if it's an objective standard, the evidence would suggest that it was unreasonable for her to use force, due to the differing layouts of the apartment, her being on the wrong floor etc. If it's subjective, then all the defense would have to show is that she personally believed she was in her apartment at the time of the shooting. That's a really, really low bar to cross and could get her off. It also opens up a legal mess for future cases. Stand your ground is still loving dumb as hell and the test should ideally be something like this, from Canada's Criminal Code 34 (1) A person is not guilty of an offence if (a) they believe on reasonable grounds that force is being used against them or another person or that a threat of force is being made against them or another person; (b) the act that constitutes the offence is committed for the purpose of defending or protecting themselves or the other person from that use or threat of force; and (c) the act committed is reasonable in the circumstances.
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Mahoning posted:https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1178746337074073601 holy poo poo This helps clarify what percentage of people are on board with impeachment but not necessarily removal yet and what percentage are also already on the removal train. That we're already seeing almost half of Americans already saying just throw the bum out before we've even started hearings alters some calculations significantly.
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hm, I hope the prosecution pointed out that under Stand Your Ground / Castle Doctrine, the victim had no duty or responsibility to retreat and even if he was moving towards the officer, he was justified in doing so.
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Mahoning posted:https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1178746337074073601 20 point swing in the first week lmao he's fried
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I feel like we need mandatory sentencing for cops or something In 2000AD the Judges - written as an explicit satire and condemnation of fascist policing - are subjected to vastly harsher penalties for crimes than citizens are. I think there's an example at some point of a crime that gets a regular guy five years in prison, but a judge gets like 25 years on Ganymede in conditions so brutal he has to undergo extensive cyberneticization to survive there. Also we regularly see corrupt judges get caught and punished. My point is that the explicitly fascist satire holds its cops to a much higher standard than the real America.
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Quorum posted:holy poo poo eh this poll shows consolidating anti-trump voters behind removal from office, but no more. the other polls have been much more significant, I think.
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evilweasel posted:i'm pretty sure this is not the way even texas law works The lunatic states seem to have this situation where it doesn't matter if the circumstances required for self-defense actually apply so long as you sincerely (not necessarily reasonably) believe that they apply.
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