RPG Thread: SaGa Emeril Beyond

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Tae: Oct 24, 2010; Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

Tales of Woe posted:

yeah it's some sort of real-time command-based battle system like FF ATB

I'm just waiting on confirmation that the Switch version is good since i ultimately regretted having Lulua on PS4 even though it was very pretty on there.

Off camera switch footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjuuXMNU29A

# ? Sep 30, 2019 19:30

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# ? May 27, 2024 10:52

Samuringa: Mar 27, 2017; Best advice I was ever given?

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cheetah7071 posted:

It was thighs

Platinum was saved by a gigantic butt and now Atelier broke records because of thighs, we've been misled by big anime tiddies all these years.

# ? Sep 30, 2019 19:31

Ibram Gaunt: Jul 22, 2009

ATB sucks rear end so rip.

# ? Sep 30, 2019 19:45

cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

ATB is fine but Gust has been using a strictly better combat system since at least Iris 1 so I dunno why they'd revert to an inferior form

(The cool thing about ATB is that different characters and different moves can have different speeds, which you can also do without it being realtime)

# ? Sep 30, 2019 19:55

Catgirl Al Capone: Dec 15, 2007

from what i can tell it's ffx-2 style atb (simultaneous action)

# ? Sep 30, 2019 19:55

HGH: Dec 20, 2011

ImpAtom posted:

So is it genuinely a good Atelier game or is it just very thirsty?

These terms don't necessarily have to be mutually opposed.

# ? Sep 30, 2019 20:02

Morpheus: Apr 18, 2008; My favourite little monsters

ImpAtom posted:

So is it genuinely a good Atelier game or is it just very thirsty?

It's fine, Ryza's ultimate attacks just involve crushing all the enemies' heads between her thighs, nothing out of the ordinary.

# ? Sep 30, 2019 20:04

The Colonel: Jun 8, 2013; I commute by bike!

some day this thread will make a funny sex joke

# ? Sep 30, 2019 20:17

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

The Colonel posted:

some day this thread will make a funny sex joke

6.......9?

# ? Sep 30, 2019 20:19

Kanfy: Jan 9, 2012; Just gotta keep walking down that road.

Samuringa posted:

Platinum was saved by a gigantic butt and now Atelier broke records because of thighs, we've been misled by big anime tiddies all these years.

Don't know about that, they sell a great deal on the mobile side of things.

My theory is that much of it is more specifically the power of fan art (and fanmade content in general). Thanks to social media and ease of drawing and uploading digital art, if a character that people like to draw catches on it'll spread like wildfire and carry awareness across the internet better than any marketing campaign. People draw absurd amounts of fan art of the characters in the aforementioned mobile games too, and more suggestive character designs tend to get a large slice of that attention. Not all of it by any means but it certainly tends to help, especially if there's an actual personality attached too.

Hell, remember how Bowsette briefly blew up the internet not too long ago? That entire phenomenon was drat near entirely driven by the power of fan art, the amount of fan-created drawings and comics and so forth depicting sexy lady Bowser in a pretty short time span was completely off the charts.

# ? Sep 30, 2019 20:19

Phantasium: Dec 27, 2012

gently caress it this one sucked too

Phantasium fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Sep 30, 2019

# ? Sep 30, 2019 20:22

Morpheus: Apr 18, 2008; My favourite little monsters

The Colonel posted:

some day this thread will make a funny sex joke

CharlestheHammer posted:

6.......9?

# ? Sep 30, 2019 20:31

GulagDolls: Jun 4, 2011

Phantasium posted:

gently caress it this one sucked too

put it back

# ? Sep 30, 2019 20:36

chumbler: Mar 28, 2010

Kanfy posted:

Don't know about that, they sell a great deal on the mobile side of things.

My theory is that much of it is more specifically the power of fan art (and fanmade content in general). Thanks to social media and ease of drawing and uploading digital art, if a character that people like to draw catches on it'll spread like wildfire and carry awareness across the internet better than any marketing campaign. People draw absurd amounts of fan art of the characters in the aforementioned mobile games too, and more suggestive character designs tend to get a large slice of that attention. Not all of it by any means but it certainly tends to help, especially if there's an actual personality attached too.

Hell, remember how Bowsette briefly blew up the internet not too long ago? That entire phenomenon was drat near entirely driven by the power of fan art, the amount of fan-created drawings and comics and so forth depicting sexy lady Bowser in a pretty short time span was completely off the charts.

Companies that try to shut down fan created work are being dumb for this reason, because it's great advertisement for minimal investment. It played a big role in Overwatch getting as big as it did, for example. You just have to actually make characters people would care about, and not be Randy Pitchford trying to solicit Battleborn porn.

# ? Sep 30, 2019 20:39

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Morpheus posted:

It's fine, Ryza's ultimate attacks just involve crushing all the enemies' heads between her thighs, nothing out of the ordinary.

i cant tell if this is a joke or not

# ? Sep 30, 2019 20:42

Commander Keene: Dec 21, 2016; Faster than the others

chumbler posted:

Companies that try to shut down fan created work are being dumb for this reason, because it's great advertisement for minimal investment. It played a big role in Overwatch getting as big as it did, for example. You just have to actually make characters people would care about, and not be Randy Pitchford trying to solicit Battleborn porn.

Does any company actually seriously attempt to stifle fan art and such? Because completely aside from being free advertising, it also seems like it would be very much an uphill battle, assuming your work is popular enough to produce such fans.

If you're talking about romhacks or fan mods, though, that's a bit of a different story.

# ? Sep 30, 2019 21:11

The Colonel: Jun 8, 2013; I commute by bike!

Commander Keene posted:

Does any company actually seriously attempt to stifle fan art and such? Because completely aside from being free advertising, it also seems like it would be very much an uphill battle, assuming your work is popular enough to produce such fans.

konami killed the tokimeki memorial fan community in its infancy over a porn animation

# ? Sep 30, 2019 21:12

Hwurmp: May 20, 2005

Mokinokaro posted:

it's like Persona 3 where everyone but your leader is AI controlled

god damnit

# ? Sep 30, 2019 21:18

Kagaya Homoraisan: Aug 28, 2019; You say, run away
Instead, you get scared
For the way that I feel
Drops out into all this disorder

Also yes plenty of companies try to stifle fanart lol. They just can't chase down every single internet artist in the world. Try selling art or whatever of some popular series at cons and watch those C&D letters roll in.

# ? Sep 30, 2019 21:19

MockingQuantum: Jan 20, 2012

Typically, in my experience, the reasons companies try to stifle fan community creations is that there's a belief that letting people use elements of your game freely makes it a lot harder to legally defend the copyright if people, say, move from doing what could be considered fan work into what could be considered straight-up merchandising. I can't say that I agree with that line of reasoning, but it's the one I've encountered on games I've worked on. I think in the age of social media most companies are better served by fostering a fan community than trying to control the community's output (or arguably even worse, muscle fan creations into existence where there isn't interest).

One game I worked on they tried (and failed, incidentally) to run a C&D campaign on fan art, that was a terrible idea. Another one tried to stop people from selling fan content because they were worried about the above, only to discover that, surprise surprise, nobody was buying fan art for their game nobody had really heard of.

tl;dr it happens but it's almost exclusively a stupid idea

# ? Sep 30, 2019 21:19

chumbler: Mar 28, 2010

They may also try to monetize it in an exploitative way, which can be similarly stifling.

# ? Sep 30, 2019 21:20

Endorph: Jul 22, 2009

lydie and suelle already sold very well, the production values are pretty high, it's the first entry of a new series, and ryza's design is good even outside of mild horniness

*yells about sex for five minutes*

# ? Sep 30, 2019 21:40

cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

I'm still a little worried that the message Gust's upper management will take from Ryza selling well is "horny sells" and that that will be the theme of the other two entries in the trilogy, but Ryza itself looks like it's just a solid game with a cute protag and I can't wait for November

# ? Sep 30, 2019 21:45

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Yeah it seems the series is just getting more popular in general outside that one entry that no one cared about.

# ? Sep 30, 2019 21:45

Endorph: Jul 22, 2009

cheetah7071 posted:

I'm still a little worried that the message Gust's upper management will take from Ryza selling well is "horny sells" and that that will be the theme of the other two entries in the trilogy, but Ryza itself looks like it's just a solid game with a cute protag and I can't wait for November

again my main worry wouldnt be for the next two games (the ryza artist clearly has a level he's into and it will probably maintain that level) but them getting a similar artist for the trilogy after this. one trilogy being moderately fanservicey is fine because it's just the artist's style, the same way kishida had his own things he was obviously into, but every trilogy having its own themes that clearly tie into the artist is cool. dusk fit hidari's art perfectly, arland fit kishida's perfectly, etc.

it always felt like they got an artist then worked around what that artist gave them, and i prefer that to them finding artists for specific things, because it feels like there's more variety from trilogy-to-trilogy.

# ? Sep 30, 2019 21:54

cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

Endorph posted:

again my main worry wouldnt be for the next two games (the ryza artist clearly has a level he's into and it will probably maintain that level) but them getting a similar artist for the trilogy after this. one trilogy being moderately fanservicey is fine because it's just the artist's style, the same way kishida had his own things he was obviously into, but every trilogy having its own themes that clearly tie into the artist is cool. dusk fit hidari's art perfectly, arland fit kishida's perfectly, etc.

it always felt like they got an artist then worked around what that artist gave them, and i prefer that to them finding artists for specific things, because it feels like there's more variety from trilogy-to-trilogy.

that's a fair point too

# ? Sep 30, 2019 21:58

Merilan: Mar 7, 2019

i really miss hidari's art for atelier and i'm glad that fe echoes had his art, his character designs are some of my all-time favourites

# ? Sep 30, 2019 22:12

Cuntellectual: Aug 6, 2010

cheetah7071 posted:

It was thighs

Thicc thighs save ~~lives~~ franchises

CharlestheHammer posted:

6.......9?

Ni...ce.

Kanfy posted:

Don't know about that, they sell a great deal on the mobile side of things.

My theory is that much of it is more specifically the power of fan art (and fanmade content in general). Thanks to social media and ease of drawing and uploading digital art, if a character that people like to draw catches on it'll spread like wildfire and carry awareness across the internet better than any marketing campaign. People draw absurd amounts of fan art of the characters in the aforementioned mobile games too, and more suggestive character designs tend to get a large slice of that attention. Not all of it by any means but it certainly tends to help, especially if there's an actual personality attached too.

Hell, remember how Bowsette briefly blew up the internet not too long ago? That entire phenomenon was drat near entirely driven by the power of fan art, the amount of fan-created drawings and comics and so forth depicting sexy lady Bowser in a pretty short time span was completely off the charts.

I am convinced ~~porn~~ fanart is the primary reason FGO became as popular as it has.

Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Sep 30, 2019

# ? Sep 30, 2019 22:55

Gamerofthegame: Oct 28, 2010; Could at least flip one or two, maybe.

works for touhou and, uh, all gacha games

# ? Sep 30, 2019 23:04

Hwurmp: May 20, 2005

everyone please draw erotic fan art of me so I can become a success

# ? Sep 30, 2019 23:06

Zereth: Jul 9, 2003

Kanfy posted:

Hell, remember how Bowsette briefly blew up the internet not too long ago?

A year ago on the 19th, specifically

chumbler posted:

Companies that try to shut down fan created work are being dumb for this reason, because it's great advertisement for minimal investment. It played a big role in Overwatch getting as big as it did, for example. You just have to actually make characters people would care about, and not be Randy Pitchford trying to solicit Battleborn porn.

At the time Pitchford actually linked the subreddit there were like three posts, none of which hard porn in them, and the top rated one was making GBS threads on Pitchford for the clumsy attempt. :laugh:

# ? Sep 30, 2019 23:07

Endorph: Jul 22, 2009

jokes about porn aside fanculture is obviously a huge part of things becoming big in those sorts of spheres. porn is a part of that but so is just fangames, fanart, etc. how many people got into touhou because of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lNZ_Rnr7Jc

# ? Sep 30, 2019 23:10

Kagaya Homoraisan: Aug 28, 2019; You say, run away
Instead, you get scared
For the way that I feel
Drops out into all this disorder

Hell even that version of U.N. Owen that's half the actual song and half the Cool&Create remix that everyone thinks is the actual song.

It is actually still the top youtube result for U.N. Owen

# ? Sep 30, 2019 23:16

U-DO Burger: Nov 12, 2007

Hwurmp posted:

everyone please draw erotic fan art of me so I can become a success

remember who to thank when you're rolling around in piles of cash

# ? Sep 30, 2019 23:19

Merilan: Mar 7, 2019

i remember getting into touhou from fanworks yeah. i think i stumbled on vivit gray and got really into mokou/keine and then discovered touhou had videogames of other genres i can play, like FMW and Labyrinth of Touhou

# ? Sep 30, 2019 23:21

Hwurmp: May 20, 2005

U-DO Burger posted:

remember who to thank when you're rolling around in piles of cash

oh no this is too sexy

# ? Sep 30, 2019 23:26

Samuringa: Mar 27, 2017; Best advice I was ever given?

"Ticker, you'll be a lot happier once you stop caring about the opinions of a culture that is beneath you."

I learned my worth, learned the places and people that matter.

Opened my eyes.

Isn't like, 90% of 2hu fan made? The bullet hell games are the only official ones, aren't they?

# ? Sep 30, 2019 23:30

Kagaya Homoraisan: Aug 28, 2019; You say, run away
Instead, you get scared
For the way that I feel
Drops out into all this disorder

There's official bullet games, official fighting games, official subgenres of shooting games (camera games like pokemon snap, more puzzly ones too), official books and manga, official original music.

# ? Sep 30, 2019 23:31

Endorph: Jul 22, 2009

Samuringa posted:

Isn't like, 90% of 2hu fan made? The bullet hell games are the only official ones, aren't they?

no there's a ton of official content. there's like 25 different books and 7 different manga.

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# ? May 27, 2024 10:52

Jerry Manderbilt: May 31, 2012; No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

speaking of artists and atelier i was always curious about whether there were any complications from noco and yuugen working together on the mysterious series, or if they ever got sick of working together

# ? Sep 30, 2019 23:39

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