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Kagaya Homoraisan posted:There's official bullet games, official fighting games, official subgenres of shooting games (camera games like pokemon snap, more puzzly ones too), official books and manga, official original music. Endorph posted:no there's a ton of official content. there's like 25 different books and 7 different manga. I learned something then.
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In terms of scale though official Touhou is not even a fraction of a percentage point. In one particular Comiket (Comiket 84 in August 2013) there were over 2500 Touhou fanworks on display. For one Comiket in one year. Comiket rep drops after this but this is because a Touhou specific doujin fair endorsed by ZUN starts to take off big time. The vast majority of Touhou work is fan content and is a big reason for its popularity, but there's also a mountain of official work in several media. It's a big franchise by any metric.
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Morpheus posted:It's fine, Ryza's ultimate attacks just involve crushing all the enemies' heads between her thighs, nothing out of the ordinary. https://twitter.com/tyatunattu/status/1178273703479500806
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*me shouting from outer space* Gust use the horny money to make a new Ar Tornelico with a new Hymnos dialect to properly convey the emotion being sung in the claps of Thighs
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Endorph posted:lydie and suelle already sold very well, the production values are pretty high, it's the first entry of a new series, and ryza's design is good even outside of mild horniness Lulua debuted at 40K from what I can see on MediaCreate/Famitsu, same as the last couple entries. So yeah, Ryza really is the big outlier. As for yelling... yeah, I'll honestly take a couple benign criticisms here over certain places overreacting waaaay worse about it.
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HGH posted:See, I was gonna mention "Lydie and Suelle was really well received and probably helped with sales being the latest entry" but then I remember Lulua was like 6 months ago, and I feel bad cause I just totally forgot about it. Even though I remember laughing my rear end off about the postgame boss and wanting to share it.
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Endorph posted:jokes about porn aside fanculture is obviously a huge part of things becoming big in those sorts of spheres. porn is a part of that but so is just fangames, fanart, etc. how many people got into touhou because of this was my first exposure to touhou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHFC28GdpPo
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Now they can channel this success into a high production value Nights of Azure 3, right? Right?
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i know a few folks who're gonna want a blue reflection two
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chumbler posted:Now they can channel this success into a high production value Nights of Azure 3, right? Huh, Gust made Nights of Azure?
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Sakurazuka posted:Why not both? if gust is swimming in cash now then go hog fukken wild i say
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OneDeadman posted:*me shouting from outer space* The fact that they made a functional (grammar mostly, though it has a fairly impressive vocab count for what it is) conlang, with several dialects, for that series will never not blow my mind. The worldbuilding put into it in general is pretty bananas.
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Oct 1, 2019 00:30
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I want another Mana Khemia.
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Caidin posted:I want another Mana Khemia. I feel like several modern ateliers (Escha & Logy, Meruru, and Lydie & Suelle) have similar moods and gameplay loops, unless you consider the school setting to be non-negotiable
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I thought Gust was one of KT's smaller divisions. Aren't the other parts of the company working on Fairy Tail?
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cheetah7071 posted:I feel like several modern ateliers (Escha & Logy, Meruru, and Lydie & Suelle) have similar moods and gameplay loops, unless you consider the school setting to be non-negotiable I dunno, MK had this slightly more over the top cast of weirdo friends that I don't think Atelier entirely captures. Like you have the local oddballs helping you out but nobody is like Pepperoni or Goto if you get me.
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Caidin posted:I dunno, MK had this slightly more over the top cast of weirdo friends that I don't think Atelier entirely captures. Like you have the local oddballs helping you out but nobody is like Pepperoni or Goto if you get me. I haven't played MK2 so I can't speak to those characters specifically but I can guess what you're getting at and yeah modern Atelier tends to have more grounded, less gimmicky characters so that's something that hasn't come back e: Firis sort of has that mood but is extremely dissimilar to MK in basically every other way
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Oct 1, 2019 00:46
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MK2 cast is less playful and more... assholes.
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Mana Khemia 1 id this thing where I couldn't like the writing because the characters were simultaneously one dimensional walking gags and supposed to be taken as people you care about and I couldn't do the latter because of the former but I couldn't just laugh at it because I was upset about not being able to do the latter. Mana Khemia 2's cast not really even trying to be sympathetic let me roll with the dumb comedy. Like between the two I'd rather that they'd picked people you care about but just picking one and sticking with it was a big improvement. I have seen like one other person feel this way ever.
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I sorta feel the same but wasn't thinking in those terms (and haven't played MK2)
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My final opinions on the MK cast are: Vayne: extremely boring Jess: kinda boring Nikki: my powerful beast friend Pamela: fine Flay: way too gimmicky to be a major character, should have been a minor character Roxis: boring Anna: fine Muppy: thanks I hate it Nikki is great but she's the only one I particularly like. I liked Flay at first but there's too much of him, his gimmick isn't interesting enough to support that amount of screentime
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What is this, not liking flay? He's the best  Honestly though, I like everyone except Muppy and Nikki in MK1. Flay and Anna are the tops though.
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OddObserver posted:MK2 cast is less playful and more... assholes. yeah it's good
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Tae posted:I thought Gust was one of KT's smaller divisions. Aren't the other parts of the company working on Fairy Tail? Gust has been big enough to release 2 games a year since the PS2 days, i dunno if they have multiple studios but they're not tiny and probably have a pretty refined workflow.
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DQ11 having bosses have mp, waste turns if they are out of mp, and give me multiple ways to attack mp is quite nice. Pacing is kind of screwy; please do this lengthy run back and forth self-contained quest, ok now do this dungeon that takes like 15 minutes and you just summarily get a quest item at the end and it has no relation to anything or story. Ok now back to running up and down a gotdang mountain except one time after a cutscene it warps you halfway back but only the one time. Whatever I feel like Im probably nearing on the end of the first third of this game because theyve only recently mentioned the big bad which absolutely means they arent actually the final villain.
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gust is like. a lower-mid budget studio, they have enough resources to support development on one big series and a few smaller side ones but even their "big" series is very budget compared to others and when atelier wasn't selling so hot with the first two mysterious games and they kept throwing their weight into new ips that were super duper constrained, they were looking to be in pretty bad shape until lydie & suelle thankfully now they finally have the success they need to revive welcome house and the adventures of robin lloyd
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cheetah7071 posted:this was my first exposure to touhou i first heard about touhou through one of those HARDEST BOSS EVER videos on youtube
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Mana Khemia was weird with its plot and characters where it was just wacky and fun for 80% of the game and then the actual plot hits you like a truck. Mana Khemia 2 I have yet to finish because my likability of the main cast ranges from "general annoyance" to "wow I really hate you" AngryRobotsInc posted:The fact that they made a functional (grammar mostly, though it has a fairly impressive vocab count for what it is) conlang, with several dialects, for that series will never not blow my mind. The worldbuilding put into it in general is pretty bananas. It was impressive with the one dialect in the one game. Then the other two games (three if you count Ar nosurge) added all their own stuff and made it that much more amazing. Gust should take the Ryza money and make Plus versions of the Ar tonelico trilogy. And then Blue Reflection 2.
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I hated the MK2 cast until I treated like an british sitcom where everyone exists to cause suffering to each other. The double cast made some of the party members a bit samey in battle though. Flay is also very good because I knew too many upperclassmen that fucks around with the younger kids because they have a big brother complex.
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all i know about philo is that she ranked down at the bottom with the iris boys in the 20th anniversary popularity poll which, ouch
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She's a little less boring than the Iris boys, because she has traits instead of being a complete nothing
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I've never felt so violated reading this thread. I should probably get around to actually playing Lydie and Suelle. I've had the game since it released but other games I wanted to play also came out and I never got past the first couple of hours.
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The MK2 cast was the best BECAUSE everyone was a complete rear end in a top hat. It made everything more enjoyable to me, especially seeing the two teams of assholes competing with each other. But really, what I actually want out of a new MK is a new game with that really distinct and cool looking sprite art which is never going to happen sooooooo
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Ausgoons No idea if it's one of the good ones, but seeing as you're all talking about the series; Atelier Lydia and Suelle is currently only $20AUD at JB Hi-Fi.
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Endorph posted:jokes about porn aside fanculture is obviously a huge part of things becoming big in those sorts of spheres. porn is a part of that but so is just fangames, fanart, etc. how many people got into touhou because of It's me, I'm the one person in the universe who got into Touhou by playing the demos of the games.
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Im surprised that Philo/Jess is unpopular considering that she has the story that's most relevant to the main plot, she's vaguely obsessed with bombs and she's OP.
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Looper posted:i first heard about touhou through one of those HARDEST BOSS EVER videos on youtube I didn't know the music was from Touhou until years later but the first Touhou-related thing I was exposed to must have been this ol' classic from 11 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q16KpquGsIc
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my exposure to touhou was the chibi heads
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Ausgoons ah! that is one of the good ones! and this is a good discount!! I spent way more when I bought it so if you're at all interested go and get it.
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