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BigBallChunkyTime
Nov 25, 2011

Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.

Illegal Hen

Fritz Coldcockin posted:

Welp.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...a80b_story.html

Pompeo is already refusing to comply with the subpoenas.

Don't dick around. Hold him in contempt and have him arrested if he misses the deadline. We'll see how serious Pelosi really is.

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Zisky
May 6, 2003

PM me and I will show you my tits

PMI is a good leading indicator, right?

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

It's almost like Trump, the GOP, and anyone in their orbit, has no idea how to run the economy.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

BigBallChunkyTime posted:

Don't dick around. Hold him in contempt and have him arrested if he misses the deadline. We'll see how serious Pelosi really is.

I'm dumb and didn't read the article; apparently, there were no subpoenas issued...yet.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

Fritz Coldcockin posted:

I'm dumb and didn't read the article; apparently, there were no subpoenas issued...yet.

So he's just pre-emptively saying he won't obey them?

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Angry_Ed posted:

So he's just pre-emptively saying he won't obey them?

No, the State Dept officials in question were asked to come before the Foreign Affairs committee voluntarily.

I expect that subpoenas will be forthcoming.

Dr. Red Ranger
Nov 9, 2011

Nap Ghost
That's got to be some sort of challenge, right? I and my people, even though we appear to be heavily involved in this mess l, will refuse to appear, sounds like a clear intention to stonewall the impeachment and a challenge to Dem will. Subpoena the lot of them and let him ignore it, then find a spine and arrest them all if they do. "State Department/Pompeo arrested for refusing to comply with investigation" is a bad look for them.

tokyo reject
Jun 12, 2019

when she's tryin to slide into your dm's but you wanna talk about a better america

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1179057401133174784

e: gently caress beaten with the wapo link, sorry

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Mummy Xzibit posted:

PMI is a good leading indicator, right?

under some circumstances, but right now a drop in PMI is just telling us what we already know - the trade war is disrupting industry because it's making GBS threads all over global supply chains

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Dr. Red Ranger posted:

That's got to be some sort of challenge, right? I and my people, even though we appear to be heavily involved in this mess l, will refuse to appear, sounds like a clear intention to stonewall the impeachment and a challenge to Dem will. Subpoena the lot of them and let him ignore it, then find a spine and arrest them all if they do. "State Department/Pompeo arrested for refusing to comply with investigation" is a bad look for them.

I can only surmise that Engel (the chairman) was taking a shot at just asking before using his subpoena power; as long as he does, I don't think there's anything wrong with him trying to maintain a veneer of patience.

wilderthanmild
Jun 21, 2010

Posting shit




Grimey Drawer

Mummy Xzibit posted:

PMI is a good leading indicator, right?

Yep.

Also "New Export Orders", an index released with the same report, is usually a good indicator of future trends. It's indicating a drastic trend downward in coming months as well.

SchrodingersCat
Aug 23, 2011

tokyo reject posted:

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1179057401133174784

e: gently caress beaten with the wapo link, sorry

The House needs to hold them in contempt and have them dragged in in handcuffs.

At this point we need open warfare between the legislative branch and executive branch. Until they put their money where their mouth is it's just loving politics. Do your loving jobs

Rabble
Dec 3, 2005

Pillbug
They shoulda been dragged away in chains the first time they ignored a congressional subpoena.

tokyo reject
Jun 12, 2019

when she's tryin to slide into your dm's but you wanna talk about a better america

SchrodingersCat posted:

The House needs to hold them in contempt and have them dragged in in handcuffs.

At this point we need open warfare between the legislative branch and executive branch. Until they put their money where their mouth is it's just loving politics. Do your loving jobs

Can someone with more expertise explain how this is most likely going to play out?

cr0y
Mar 24, 2005



tokyo reject posted:

Can someone with more expertise explain how this is most likely going to play out?

No one really knows. If the house doesn't doing something strong then we have a defacto dictatorship.

ewiley
Jul 9, 2003

More trash for the trash fire

From a billion years ago, but the literal first hit on Google

https://brilliantmaps.com/2016-county-election-map/

e: also why counting by county is stupid:

quote:

Loving County, Texas is the least populous county in the US with a population of 82.
Los Angeles County, California is the most populous county in the US with a population of approximately ten million.

Nail Rat
Dec 29, 2000

You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!
I can't imagine the Sergeant at Arms really dragging the Secretary of State away in chains.

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

Fritz Coldcockin posted:

No, the State Dept officials in question were asked to come before the Foreign Affairs committee voluntarily.

I expect that subpoenas will be forthcoming.

Pompeo himself was subpoenaed for documents, and the State Departments officials were asked to testify

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

tokyo reject posted:

Can someone with more expertise explain how this is most likely going to play out?

Well, unless Pompeo was lying*, no congressional subpoenas were issued for these depositions, so he's not breaking any laws...yet.

We won't really know how it plays out until we actually do get impeachment inquiry subpoenas ignored. Then we will see if Democrats are willing to actually use the power they have.

*NOTE: I do not believe Pompeo is above lying; just that he's not lying about this.

The Glumslinger posted:

Pompeo himself was subpoenaed for documents, and the State Departments officials were asked to testify

OK, but that still doesn't disprove what I said. Until we actually get them going on the record defying a subpoena in the impeachment inquiry, the House can't exercise contempt, inherent or otherwise.

Zesty
Jan 17, 2012

The Great Twist

Put him in irons. Drag him.

Bubbacub
Apr 17, 2001

Nail Rat posted:

gently caress Ajit Pai

He's willing to flat-out lie to do whatever the telecom companies want.

quote:

Under questioning from Cantwell at a July 17 hearing of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee, NASA Administrator James Bridenstine expressed concern about data loss caused by 5G interference. “I can tell you that depending on the decibel level in that 23.6 gigahertz, we could lose significant data,” Bridenstine said. “If that were to happen, it would affect our ability to predict weather, without question.”

This answer stands in contrast to what Pai told the same committee a month earlier. When Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) asked Pai whether there is “any validity or legitimacy” to the concerns raised in the science agencies’ reports, Pai said definitively, “No, absolutely not.”

Spun Dog
Sep 21, 2004


Smellrose

Nail Rat posted:

I can't imagine the Sergeant at Arms really dragging the Secretary of State away in chains.

I'd settle for a good tazer instead of chains

BigBallChunkyTime
Nov 25, 2011

Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.

Illegal Hen
https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1179091103326380032?s=20

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

https://mobile.twitter.com/tictoc/status/1179058475835351040

https://mobile.twitter.com/ABC/status/1179083528845381634

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Nail Rat posted:

I can't imagine the Sergeant at Arms really dragging the Secretary of State away in chains.

A lot of unimaginable things have happened in the past 3 years

Spun Dog
Sep 21, 2004


Smellrose

If this guy's brain is anything like Giuliani's, he's in trouble

Nail Rat
Dec 29, 2000

You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!

haveblue posted:

A lot of unimaginable things have happened in the past 3 years

Almost exclusively bad though

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
lol regressives literally hounded some lady's State Dept for 4 years after 2012-11 for reasons, gently caress Pompaeo.

(also gently caress Pai, most ISP companies, and NIMBY/BANANA bullshit for making Merican internet such a clusterfuck of bullshit)

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


https://twitter.com/gabriel_zucman/status/1179083778599223296

larry summers left leaning lmao

cr0y
Mar 24, 2005



My attorney got (an) attorney

Spun Dog
Sep 21, 2004


Smellrose

cr0y posted:

My attorney got (an) attorney

MAGA for short

Inglonias
Mar 7, 2013

I WILL PUT THIS FLAG ON FREAKING EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT IS SYMBOLIC AS HELL SOMEHOW

haveblue posted:

A lot of unimaginable things have happened in the past 3 years

I want to get off this ride now please but I can't find the exit and also the ride is on fire.

Robviously
Aug 21, 2010

Genius. Billionaire. Playboy. Philanthropist.

cr0y posted:

My attorney got (an) attorney

Liddle' Schiff-

Don't talk to me or my attorney or my attorney's attorney ever again.

Donald. J Trump

Zapf Dingbat
Jan 9, 2001


So how long is Not The Mama going to stay in Europe? You can't blame people a few days ago thinking he was going AWOL because what else are we supposed to make of hellworld?

tokyo reject
Jun 12, 2019

when she's tryin to slide into your dm's but you wanna talk about a better america

I'm just wondering at what point Capital in this country is going to pick up the phone and phone the powers that be in our government to say, "Ok, Trump has become bad for business. He's got to go." What, if it's even plausible, does that threshold look like?

I mean, I feel like most of the posters in this thread (and these forums in general) fall somewhere on the labor scale. We're outraged primarily on a moral basis (although I'm sure any farmers and other affected people by Trump's policies who aren't card carrying CHUDs surely register anger for economic reasons as well) but what would it take to really make the ruling class that typically goes R all the way say, "This guy has to go." Because honestly, I believe if that were to happen he'd be escorted out of the White House in matter of months.

It just seems like once you have that level of money where it's actually, physically impossible to spend or withdraw or do really do anything besides move around to make more money, you'd be thinking at some point "gently caress, if this guy truly destabilizes our country and economy with his erratic behavior, he's gonna gently caress with my money."

Am I just talking out of my rear end as a working class layman?

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.

Zapf Dingbat posted:

So how long is Not The Mama going to stay in Europe? You can't blame people a few days ago thinking he was going AWOL because what else are we supposed to make of hellworld?

He's going to stay there until he gets the goods on Biden, and not a second earlier!

Faustian Bargain
Apr 12, 2014


The Liddle' thing is really funny to me. What does he think an apostrophe is?

ewiley
Jul 9, 2003

More trash for the trash fire

tokyo reject posted:

I'm just wondering at what point Capital in this country is going to pick up the phone and phone the powers that be in our government to say, "Ok, Trump has become bad for business. He's got to go." What, if it's even plausible, does that threshold look like?

I mean, I feel like most of the posters in this thread (and these forums in general) fall somewhere on the labor scale. We're outraged primarily on a moral basis (although I'm sure any farmers and other affected people by Trump's policies who aren't card carrying CHUDs surely register anger for economic reasons as well) but what would it take to really make the ruling class that typically goes R all the way say, "This guy has to go." Because honestly, I believe if that were to happen he'd be escorted out of the White House in matter of months.

It just seems like once you have that level of money where it's actually, physically impossible to spend or withdraw or do really do anything besides move around to make more money, you'd be thinking at some point "gently caress, if this guy truly destabilizes our country and economy with his erratic behavior, he's gonna gently caress with my money."

Am I just talking out of my rear end as a working class layman?

He's not bad for business unless you're in specific industries. He's fantastic for business if you want tax breaks and reduction in regulations and deal mostly domestically.

Dealing with people like Trump in business is not uncommon, idiots who rose with no real effort and respond to flattery describes way too many directors and officers in companies. Businesses are well-prepared to work with people like this in power.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Faustian Bargain posted:

The Liddle' thing is really funny to me. What does he think an apostrophe is?

he's writing li'l phonetically and somewhere in the dank recesses of that phlegm in his cranium he remembers there's supposed to be a "hyphen" in there and sticks it at the end.

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Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

https://mobile.twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/1179096792677224448

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