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Azubah posted:Jokes on him, his reputation would probably allow him to get away with that. Probably, especially later in his career, but by that time he and Amberly were in an on-again-off-again relationship and he'd do it just because she was the one asking.
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Ardent Communist posted:Huh? Voke was exactly that kind of a character. Eisenhorn mentions it multiple times, and it changes how the response to chaos action if eisenhorn or voke is in command cause Voke is totally a burn it all down character.
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Ardent Communist posted:Huh? Voke was exactly that kind of a character. Eisenhorn mentions it multiple times, and it changes how the response to chaos action if eisenhorn or voke is in command cause Voke is totally a burn it all down character. Oh, I meant Eisenhorn himself as a character, not a book series. I looking for a book focusing on someone like Voke is what I'm saying. We've had plenty of books about Inquisitors as detectives, I want a book about Inquisitors as forces of Imperial gently caress You.
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jng2058 posted:Probably, especially later in his career, but by that time he and Amberly were in an on-again-off-again relationship and he'd do it just because she was the one asking.
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Oct 1, 2019 15:59
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I'm sure this is me massively missing the point, but reading Eisenhorn I kept getting the dissonant impression that he is kind of a fuckup among inquisitors. Everybody else is actually getting things done leveraging ludicrous amounts of resources, while he's bumbling around, struggling with basic investigative work, constantly endangering his basically-scooby-doo-tier entourage and himself for not extremely convincing reasons. Like, I don't expect him to spend the entire narrative slurping amasec in a fancy spaceship lounge reading reports from his hyper-competent ground troops, and yeah in principle the whole "rogue"/undercover thing is a great gimmick to keep things tense, but what stuck with me from Eisenhorn is that vibe of a "kid detective" kinda children's book where the teenage protagonists are solving a murder case because for contrived reasons they can't tell the adults who did it. Only with more skulls and violence.
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Oct 1, 2019 16:34
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Eisenhorn is the kind of inquisitor who’s singularly chasing one giant conspiracy across an entire sector. He’s not stopping to put out most smaller cults unless they’re particularly threatening because he see’s the greater threat as something that threatens the entire Imperium rather than just a planet or two.
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It really feels like the most competent inquisitor is Amberly Vail.
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Oct 1, 2019 16:43
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Eisenhorn and Ravenor fight the stealthy Chaos cultists, the ones who do things like start an orphanage to bring down the Imperium over decades or centuries. The dude walking around covered in blood with Fleshhounds at his side is a job for the Inquisitors who like to be loud.
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Guyver posted:Why doesn't every Inquisitor have a space marine? The problem is (and it's mentioned in the Eisenhorn books) is that a lot of inquisitorial work is painstaking sifting of figures, facts, looking for patterns, checking out leads that don't pan out, requisitioning resources, etc, etc. Eisenhorn describes a frustrating lull where their work was nothing but this. Then there was the time he was supposed to preside over length court proceedings and all the rituals that go with that (before he stepped out to deck a titan). Having a precious astartes sat cross referencing a spreadsheet is a heretical if hillarious waste of time and resource. Also, the Inquisition may have unlimited Imperial Authority, but the astartes have always been outside of this and not truly subservient to rule. Inquisitors already have access to the best augmetics, power armour, weaponry and can commendeer pretty much any resource as they see fit. Some of the more theatrical, hardcore ones have power armour which kind of makes them a space marine already (Tantalid, Osma, etc). They also tend to create their retinue to have very specialist roles. A space marine is actually a simplistic tool and not much use for anything outside of pure warfare. They're no good at going undercover into twist bars and blending in with the lingo (Nayl), working with planetary law enforcement (Fischig), back flipping over rooftops while being a distracting sex object (Swole), etc. If Eisenhorn has a problem that needs the nuclear solution of astartes level waffle-stomping, he hits speed dial on the astropath and gets the nearest chapter of autistic manchild waffle stompers to do their thing. Not to mention that an astartes sidekick will either restrict an inquisitor when he starts to get a bit "grey area" with his dogma or worse still, become corrupted himself. Relevant Tangent posted:Eisenhorn and Ravenor fight the stealthy Chaos cultists, the ones who do things like start an orphanage to bring down the Imperium over decades or centuries. The dude walking around covered in blood with Fleshhounds at his side is a job for the Inquisitors who like to be loud. This. Inquisitor Neve on Cadia was a rough, sleep deprived inquisitor who never got to go on whacky adventures because she was stationed right on the edge of the eye of terror and was constantly putting down the loud cults. Eisenhorn and Ravenor are the ones that go special condition to root out the deep corruption (often among their own) rather than the quick wins and glorious cherub-baby-reading-scrolls-chainsword-burn-them-all stuff Dog_Meat fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Oct 1, 2019 |
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Space Marines being mostly independent and outside the inquision also means over the thousands of years theres a pretty diverse variety of relationship levels bewtween the two. Some chapters give freely to the deathwatch and are always willing to aid inquisitors, some do it begrudgingly while only tolerating the inquisition as a necessary evil, some show near hostility and there are a handful of chapters who will kill inquisitors on sight for a variety of reasons. Even if Imperium Nihilum rejoins the Imperium at large there are certainly going to be sectors that inquisition vessels will never be allowed to travel ever again.
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The one thing I always felt amusing is that chasing heretics and chaos cults is not Eisenhorn's main job as he belongs to the Ordo Xenos, maybe if he had sticked to his career of choice instead of doing so much chaos stuff he wouldn't be so turbo corrupted by now.
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Angry Lobster posted:The one thing I always felt amusing is that chasing heretics and chaos cults is not Eisenhorn's main job as he belongs to the Ordo Xenos, maybe if he had sticked to his career of choice instead of doing so much chaos stuff he wouldn't be so turbo corrupted by now. Scope creep is everywhere...
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Oct 1, 2019 17:10
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Look all I want is a scene where an Inquisitor dumps a space marine out of the gun cutter on top of a cult rite to turbo murder the lot of them like it's a level of Broforce. Oh no the cultists have a giant mutant and a plaguebeare- had, had a giant mutant and a plaguebearer.
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Isn't that what the death watch is for? I thought they worked with ordo xenos? Mallus has the grey knights? And I forgotten the last ordo.
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Hereticus, and they work closely with the Sisters but are in a different command structure.
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I re-read The Lost And The Damned and as the arbiter of good taste I must say it is the best horus heresy book yet.
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Angry Lobster posted:The one thing I always felt amusing is that chasing heretics and chaos cults is not Eisenhorn's main job as he belongs to the Ordo Xenos, maybe if he had sticked to his career of choice instead of doing so much chaos stuff he wouldn't be so turbo corrupted by now. But yeah, he's clearly a Hereticus dude rather than a Xenos dude.
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The funny thing is the Custodes actually do the spymaster thing when they 'retire' and become Eyes of the Emperor. I'd love to see an Inquisitor uncover a spy ring and it turns out it's being run by a Custodes.
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SardonicTyrant posted:The funny thing is the Custodes actually do the spymaster thing when they 'retire' and become Eyes of the Emperor. I'd love to see an Inquisitor uncover a spy ring and it turns out it's being run by a Custodes. I really hope we get a Custodes Eyes novel. The possibilities there are very intriguing.
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How the gently caress is a 9’ tall demi-god running a spy ring? Fake moustache?
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peanut- posted:How the gently caress is a 9’ tall demi-god running a spy ring? Fake moustache?
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Arquinsiel posted:The funny thing is, by chasing Quixos so much he's basically Ordo Xenos Internal Affairs... It doesn't help that a lot of this stuff ends up interlinked. It's not particularly unusual to find a trade in xenos artifacts and follow it up to a chaos cult, or vice versa. In fact, it doesn't seem to be that unusual for two independent inquisitors from different Ordos to meet in the middle when somebody's xenos trader investigation runs into somebody else's cult investigation.
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D-Pad posted:I really hope we get a Custodes Eyes novel. The possibilities there are very intriguing. Auric Goda - nick kyme
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Khizan posted:It doesn't help that a lot of this stuff ends up interlinked. It's not particularly unusual to find a trade in xenos artifacts and follow it up to a chaos cult, or vice versa. In fact, it doesn't seem to be that unusual for two independent inquisitors from different Ordos to meet in the middle when somebody's xenos trader investigation runs into somebody else's cult investigation.
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Waroduce posted:Auric Goda - nick kyme Oh yeah that is great, but it is only a short story. I want a full length novel.
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Angry Lobster posted:The one thing I always felt amusing is that chasing heretics and chaos cults is not Eisenhorn's main job as he belongs to the Ordo Xenos, maybe if he had sticked to his career of choice instead of doing so much chaos stuff he wouldn't be so turbo corrupted by now. Hey, he didn't choose the Hereticus life, the Hereticus life chose him (and after it was orbital-striked, came back and chose him again). There was never an actual reason why Cherubael decided to fixate on Eisenhorn, was there? Just "Fate"?
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I refuse to entertain the proposition that anything by Kyme is 'great'. Good loving God!
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Randalor posted:Hey, he didn't choose the Hereticus life, the Hereticus life chose him (and after it was orbital-striked, came back and chose him again). There was never an actual reason why Cherubael decided to fixate on Eisenhorn, was there? Just "Fate"?
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Cherubael is probably significant in some way beyond Eisenhorn. I always figured the name was a coy reference and after reading Devastation of Baal I’ve had this idea that Cherubael and the Sanguinor are two opposed parts of Sanguinius that were separated when Horus killed him. This is a dumb theory but it’s a fun one I think.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:I refuse to entertain the proposition that anything by Kyme is 'great'. Good loving God! I just started reading his Knights of Macragge. I'm only about 20% into it but i'm actually quite enjoying it. Plenty of room to take a dive but it's pretty good so far.
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Demiurge4 posted:Cherubael is probably significant in some way beyond Eisenhorn. I always figured the name was a coy reference and after reading Devastation of Baal I’ve had this idea that Cherubael and the Sanguinor are two opposed parts of Sanguinius that were separated when Horus killed him.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:I refuse to entertain the proposition that anything by Kyme is 'great'. Good loving God! Look man, I was just as surprised about it. I think it's just because it's a short story he didn't have enough runway to gently caress it up.
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Arquinsiel posted:He's just the Daemonhost sample character from the Inquisitor rulebook TBH. IIRC most of the miniatures for that game have direct equivalents in the story. Well thanks for ruining my head canon 
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40k has a lot of precedent for taking a random example guy and extrapolating lore substance. I wouldn't be surprised to see Cherubael as a player on the Big Stage, especially with the sisters codex dropping next month.
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I have about two hours left in the Cawl book and so far, it's been both cool and really odd, that's about as much as I got at the moment. The jumps in time are really a bit of an issue in audio books, especially when you're talking intra-chapter ones. You miss the narrator saying "Now" once and you end up confused for the next couple of minutes. I'm really intrigued in how the Sedayn and Thracian plotlines end up being tied up by the time I'm done with the book.
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SardonicTyrant posted:I'd love to see an Inquisitor uncover a spy ring and it turns out it's being run by a Custodes. So it's the 40k version of that story where undercover cops posing as drug buyers attempt to buy drugs from undercover cops posing as drug dealers.
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Guyver posted:How many people outside of a chapter planet or Ultramar even know space marines outside of armor are even a thing?
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There's been a number of stories where they've been imprisoned and either had their armour removed or power levels drained completely where it just becomes a massive weight for them to drag around.
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I think the idea is that a space marine is like 90% as dangerous without armour so it’s more trouble getting it off them than it’s worth. Especially since it’s literally bolted into their skin.
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SardonicTyrant posted:I'm pretry sure the writers forget this constantly, because I don't remember the last time a space marine was imprisoned and they took off his armor. Happens in Warmaster/Anarch
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