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ungulateman posted:Esper Doom Foretold? I tried esper dance/manse/stax(where did this nickname come from?) in the play any deck event and it’s absolutely hilarious.
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This Izzet "Draw 2" Deck from Rudy Brizka is extremely cool and fun, and if you have the cards you should give it a whirl. Creatures (11) 3 Crackling Drake 4 Faerie Vandal 4 Irencrag Pyromancer Planeswalkers (4) 4 The Royal Scions Instants (15) 1 Chemister's Insight 3 Radical Idea 3 Thrill of Possibility 4 Opt 4 Shock Sorceries (3) 3 Lava Coil Enchantments (4) 4 Improbable Alliance Lands (23) 6 Mountain 7 Island 2 Castle Embereth 4 Steam Vents 4 Temple of Epiphany Sideboard (15) 1 Stolen by the Fae 3 Frogify 4 Mystical Dispute 1 Lava Coil 3 Disdainful Stroke 3 Scorching Dragonfire
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Oct 1, 2019 15:57
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80s James Hetfield posted:This Izzet "Draw 2" Deck from Rudy Brizka is extremely cool and fun, and if you have the cards you should give it a whirl. This is more or less what I"ve been running, except I also include Arclight Phoenix. It is pretty fun, and holds its own against most decks. It's also probably pretty good if midrange ends up dominating Arena standard.
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Oct 1, 2019 16:00
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Look Around You posted:I tried esper dance/manse/stax(where did this nickname come from?) in the play any deck event and it’s absolutely hilarious. "Stax" was a deck that featured Smokestack and centered around resource denial in a prison style deck. Speaking of, I'm in love with the deck, and I saw a bo1 version that featured fae of wishes. Naturally, I wanted to adapt it to bo3. Any suggestions? Wishes Stax: 4 Temple of Silence (M20) 256 2 Island (ANA) 57 3 Godless Shrine (RNA) 248 3 Hallowed Fountain (RNA) 251 3 Swamp (ANA) 58 2 Plains (ANA) 56 1 Castle Vantress (ELD) 242 4 Kaya's Wrath (RNA) 187 4 Oath of Kaya (WAR) 209 4 Golden Egg (ELD) 220 4 Teferi, Time Raveler (WAR) 221 3 Fabled Passage (ELD) 244 4 Watery Grave (GRN) 259 2 Disfigure (M20) 95 3 Doom Foretold (ELD) 187 2 Dance of the Manse (ELD) 186 4 Guild Globe (WAR) 239 2 Murderous Rider (ELD) 97 1 Dovin's Veto (WAR) 193 4 Fae of Wishes (ELD) 44 1 Cry of the Carnarium (RNA) 70 1 Enter the God-Eternals (WAR) 196 1 Time Wipe (WAR) 223 1 Cry of the Carnarium (RNA) 70 1 Unmoored Ego (GRN) 212 1 Despark (WAR) 190 1 Thought Distortion (M20) 117 1 Legion's End (M20) 106 1 Ashiok, Dream Render (WAR) 228 1 The Elderspell (WAR) 89 1 Planar Cleansing (M20) 33 1 Command the Dreadhorde (WAR) 82 1 Ethereal Absolution (RNA) 170 1 Dance of the Manse (ELD) 186 1 Mass Manipulation (RNA) 42 1 Doom Foretold (ELD) 187
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Oct 1, 2019 16:38
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Drewjitsu posted:"Stax" was a deck that featured Smokestack and centered around resource denial in a prison style deck. Legions End is probably better than cry in the maindeck. Are you using fae of wishes primarily as a turn 2 blocker or something because otherwise it seems far too slow for a deck that already has tempo problems and is trying to play catch-up in the mid game. If you really want to use them i'd trim a copy and replace some of your top-end wishboard stuff with discard spells or countermagic that you can actually sideboard in for games 2 and 3. The main engine of the deck is good enough that you don't really need dedicated win conditions, you just want to make sure you're the one that snowballs an early advantage and not your opponent. Also I see that 1 of dovin's veto in every decklist but after playing the deck a bunch, i refuse to believe that anyone has actually cast it in game one. I swapped it out for a duress which is good against all the same cards and is much easier to find a window to cast. Why everyone only runs 3 doom fortolds is another thing i don't understand.
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Oct 1, 2019 17:08
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Bell_ posted:Unless they turned those lands into creatures, what's the big deal? Living Plane was in play. Guess they didn't really make that very clear.
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Oct 1, 2019 17:12
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little munchkin posted:Legions End is probably better than cry in the maindeck. Aside from Oko, there aren't really a ton of decks that kill you before wrath hits the board, and you are also running 4x oath of kaya for creature clean up (and the lifegain helps a ton). As for only running 3x doom in the main, drawing multiples is clunky. It's a very good card, but you have to set it up properly. It's not that good if you're behind without oaths/globes/eggs on the board to feed to it. People call it esper stax, but in reality (as per gottlieb) it's really esper dance, as the dance of the manse is the real star of the deck (and your win condition). Regarding the SB should look more like: 4x duress 1 Enter the God-Eternals (WAR) 196 1 Time Wipe (WAR) 223 1 Cry of the Carnarium (RNA) 70 1 Unmoored Ego (GRN) 212 1 Despark (WAR) 190 1 Legion's End (M20) 106 1 Ashiok, Dream Render (WAR) 228 1 The Elderspell (WAR) 89 1 Planar Cleansing (M20) 33 1 Dance of the Manse (ELD) 186 1 Doom Foretold (ELD) 187 (and some amount of Mystic Dispute?)
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Oct 1, 2019 17:17
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Look Around You posted:I tried esper dance/manse/stax(where did this nickname come from?) in the play any deck event and it’s absolutely hilarious. http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/vintage/5273_T4KS_The_Four_Thousand_Dollar_Solution_To_The_Type_One_Metagame.html It was an acronym for the four thousand dollar solution. $T4KS
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Oct 1, 2019 17:56
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Drewjitsu posted:"Stax" was a deck that featured Smokestack and centered around resource denial in a prison style deck. the best advice for making this better in bo3 is to cut the fae of wishes
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Oct 1, 2019 18:11
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why is esper not running despark? Doesnt that hit a great target vs like everything?
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Oct 1, 2019 18:14
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No Wave posted:why is esper not running despark? Doesnt that hit a great target vs like everything? there are usually a couple copies in the sideboard
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Oct 1, 2019 18:16
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Dysgenesis posted:http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/vintage/5273_T4KS_The_Four_Thousand_Dollar_Solution_To_The_Type_One_Metagame.html Wait what? I thought it was from a mono-brown deck that locked the opponent out with smokestack(s)...
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Oct 1, 2019 18:25
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Wait what? I thought it was from a mono-brown deck that locked the opponent out with smokestack(s)... It is. That other thing is a backronym.
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Oct 1, 2019 18:33
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Sampatrick posted:the best advice for making this better in bo3 is to cut the fae of wishes yeah, fae of wishes is for bo1 and you dont want to play so many copies. in bo3 just let your sideboarding do the job. otherwise you can still play the 1 fae and wishclaw for it if you want.
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Oct 1, 2019 18:33
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Played against a dance player running the white cavalier, which was very annoying to deal with.
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Oct 1, 2019 19:29
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Dysgenesis posted:http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/vintage/5273_T4KS_The_Four_Thousand_Dollar_Solution_To_The_Type_One_Metagame.html wouldn't that be T$4KS?
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Oct 1, 2019 20:03
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yeah thats what we called the deck on the streets, tea money forks
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Oct 1, 2019 20:05
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Wait what? I thought it was from a mono-brown deck that locked the opponent out with smokestack(s)... Stax definitely predates that other thing
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Oct 1, 2019 20:12
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T-$acks is actually a British soundcloud rapper
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Oct 1, 2019 20:18
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Far of wishes is legit in Fires decks though. You can grab a random bomb/answer from your sideboard and play it the same turn, every other turn. Also you don't have to have the right Mana for that bomb, just enough lands.
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Oct 1, 2019 20:20
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The four thousand dollar solution is the original name, though the inclusion of smokestack confuses the issue. Because this is a Magic deck, you know the name involving a weird forced acronym is the correct answer over simply naming the deck after an important card found within it. Whenever a deck from that era is named after a card, it’s a card not actually in the deck (see Solidarity)
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Oct 1, 2019 20:37
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Deck names have gone downhill since they quit being named after breakfast foods.
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Oct 1, 2019 21:23
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Q: What happens when you have 8 planeswalkers in play? A: You have to scroll through them, apparently. 
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Oct 1, 2019 21:39
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Aranan posted:Deck names have gone downhill since they quit being named after breakfast foods. I mean "Unlucky Fried Kitten" is kind of amazing but then multiple people came in and were like "Nuh uh Aristocats", which is terrible
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Oct 1, 2019 21:40
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Unlucky Fried Kitten and Manse Dance Revolution are both great, if either of those decks survive the weekend.
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Oct 1, 2019 21:44
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Huxley posted:Unlucky Fried Kitten and Manse Dance Revolution are both great, if either of those decks survive the weekend. Unlucky fried kitten has game against anything not playing goose, that card is very dumb
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Oct 1, 2019 22:06
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The 4k solution came first, though it's hard to think the transformation from 'T$4KS' to '$T4KS' to 'Stax' wasn't influenced by the presence of smokestack. SMenendian on the deck in '03 (with a lycos email address). Wizards.com article from '05.
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Oct 1, 2019 22:10
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early 2000s was a...special time in deck naming why was that stupid RG deck called Freshmaker anyway
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Oct 1, 2019 22:52
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Elyv posted:early 2000s was a...special time in deck naming There were a LOT of Mentos commercials on TV around the turn of the millenium.
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Oct 1, 2019 22:59
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if a deck doesn't have a good name, whats the point of even playing it
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Oct 1, 2019 23:13
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AlphaKeny1 posted:if a deck doesn't have a good name, whats the point of even playing it killing my opponent with a sea gate oracle
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Oct 1, 2019 23:23
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rabidsquid posted:killing my opponent with a sea gate oracle "yeah you can leave your opponent empty handed and with no permanents, but what is your win condition?!"
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Oct 1, 2019 23:30
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match the Type 1 deck to its wincon Eternal Dragon Solidarity Sickening Dreams Nausea Brain Freeze Rabid Wombat note: i have not labeled which cards are wincons and which ones are deck names, have fun
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Oct 1, 2019 23:30
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Elyv posted:early 2000s was a...special time in deck naming not as stupid as RG deck "frog in a blender" (both the deck and the name)
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Oct 1, 2019 23:32
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ngl a deck named unlucky fried kitten is making me vaguely interested in standard
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Oct 1, 2019 23:37
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:match the Type 1 deck to its wincon Solidarity to Brain Freeze, Eternal Dragon to Wombat, Sickening Dreams to Nausea
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Oct 1, 2019 23:37
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:match the Type 1 deck to its wincon without looking at other replies: solidarity - brain freeze (know this one for sure) nausea - sickening dreams (makes sense) rabid wombat - eternal dragon (process of elimination; not sure which one is the deck name and which one is the wincon, but eternal dragon actually has been used as a wincon somewhere other than the sixth grade playground, so my money's on that)
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Oct 1, 2019 23:53
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Framboise posted:ngl a deck named unlucky fried kitten is making me vaguely interested in standard It's great, when Cauldron Familiar comes into play you gain a life, opponent loses a life. You sac it to Witches Oven that generates a food. You use the Food to return Cauldron Familiar to your hand, put it back into play, rinse, wash, repeat. If you can get multiple Oven's out so much the better.
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Oct 1, 2019 23:56
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Seems like the cat simply returns to the battlefield when you sac the food, so even better!
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That seems like a lot of work for one damage/turn and always having a chump blocker around? Or is there an engine to untap the Witch's Oven?
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