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Isn't Indiegogo also a shitbox company? Or am I thinking of something else?
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Oct 1, 2019 23:43
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It's a company, so that checks out.
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Oct 2, 2019 00:08
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Zurui posted:Isn't Indiegogo also a shitbox company? Or am I thinking of something else? I mean, probably? But I don't remember any specific issues that have come to light, nor are they currently attempting to squash their employees unionizing to the best of my knowledge. So, at the moment, they seem like a viable first stop on a Kickstarter exodus.
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Oct 2, 2019 00:39
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Indiegogo is scam central. Like even more than Kickstarter. There's no reason to assume its business practices are any more ethical, and plenty of reasons to believe they're likely worse. If there's a general boycott I'll likely stop crowdfunding entirely until it's called off.
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Oct 2, 2019 01:47
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Zurui posted:Isn't Indiegogo also a shitbox company? Or am I thinking of something else? It has even fewer checks and balances than Kickstarter. Lots of projects that get booted off KS for whatever reason end up there. Along with the projects that take your cash even of they don't fund. So that certainly doesn't give you a warm fuzzy feeling
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Oct 2, 2019 08:21
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Sorry if this is shockingly dumb, but is there a reason not to skip Kickstarter and go directly to Backerkit? Edit: if one were a creator who wanted to avoid KS.
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Oct 2, 2019 14:20
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homullus posted:Sorry if this is shockingly dumb, but is there a reason not to skip Kickstarter and go directly to Backerkit? That means that even assuming they let you set up a Backerkit not connected to any existing crowdfunding process (which they might not), you'd have to get all the money for your production run from Backerkit sales, without any idea of how much your total sales are likely to be. Kickstarter's useful because a) the stretch goal and limited time campaign thing give people a compelling reason to put down money for your product NOW, rather than waiting until/if it comes out and checking reviews, and b) the entire process acts like an interest gauge, which both acts as a safety valve against you overcommitting to a project nobody wants and helps give you a benchmark for what your total sales are likely to be.
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Oct 2, 2019 14:36
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People know kickstarter, and they trust it as a platform. Also, roughly 50% of the backers most campaigns get come from your pre-campaign marketing, the other 50% come from randos browsing Kickstarter. If you go to another platform, that 2nd 50% is going to be mostly lost and if you aren't a company like CMON that probably shouldn't be using kickstarter anyway, that could kill your campaign. The trust issues can be a big deal as well, as I know several people that just won't back anything on Indiegogo. I will, but only if it's a foreign campaign from certain places since you can only run campaigns on Kickstarter through these countries: US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Netherlands, Denmark, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Austria, Belgium, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Hong Kong, Singapore, Mexico, and Japan.
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Oct 2, 2019 14:41
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For me the big thing with Indiegogo is that they don't do the Kickstarter thing where if you don't hit your target you get zero money. Arguably, Kickstarter's setup creates an unwanted incentive to underestimate your budget so that you get an easier target to hit - but that's moderated by the fact that informed people can at least interrogate your budget and say "Can you really do it for that little?" (The fact that someone can pitch in $1 and then start appearing on your comments page asking awkward questions is arguably a feature and not a bug from this perspective.) With Indiegogo, even if a creator's acting 100% in good faith, you can end up in the nightmare scenario where they've got your money but they don't actually have enough funds to complete the project.
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Oct 2, 2019 14:45
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That is a funding option for Indiegogo. As a creator, you can choose to only get funding if you hit goal (unless they've changed something in the past ~year).
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Oct 2, 2019 14:56
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Yeah, Flexible Funding (the 'you get the money even if it doesn't hit the goal' version) has always been an option and ALWAYS been a red flag.
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Oct 2, 2019 15:07
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I have backed a ton of stuff on kickstarter over the last several years, and I don't really have a ton of interest in switching platforms. Mostly because I have had good results with kickstarters and am naturally distrustful of other platforms. I will certainly keep supporting cool creators that I have found through crowd funding, but I will just wait until retail for more stuff. I am still going to back the new Vincent Baker thing, but as soon as a boycott is called I am just going to be done forever I feel.
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Oct 2, 2019 15:09
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what the union REALLY meant https://twitter.com/ksr_united/status/1179445723429003264 https://twitter.com/ksr_united/status/1179445823664513027
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Oct 2, 2019 18:40
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I thought that current law required employers to recognize a union once a majority of their employees voted it in? Why are they asking for recognition?
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Oct 2, 2019 21:16
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If they give you recognition you don't need the vote
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Oct 2, 2019 21:30
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The vote involves a lot of procedural steps that employers can use to prevent the union from forming, methods to depress turnout and manipulate the employees voting, paperwork the employers can use to grind down enthusiasm and make forming the union tedious and annoying and drawn out, etc.
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Oct 2, 2019 21:32
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Now, i don't want to pre-judge, but just maybe this person is not the most stable of peoplequote:You're now on 2 of my social media networks, rear end in a top hat Kai Tave.  Also Kai Tave, take a bow, even though you didn't even seem to do anything more than being slightly persistent. Also I suggest reporting the threats to your local law enforcement.
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Oct 2, 2019 23:00
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Extremely not mad online. Is this the latest chud boardgame guy?
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Oct 2, 2019 23:22
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LongDarkNight posted:Extremely not mad online. Is this the latest chud boardgame guy? Yeah he's now up to multiple death threats and claiming to have put a 'bounty' on Kai Tave. Now, I'm a Brit, so I can only go on our much stronger laws about threatening speech, but i'm pretty sure he's committed at least one crime by this point (depending on jurisdiction)? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/edtrice/conservatives-vs-liberals-board-game/comments
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Oct 2, 2019 23:23
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Hello, police? Have you ever heard of Gothic Chess? You neither, huh, okay. So anyway, there's this guy on the internet...
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Oct 2, 2019 23:25
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Kai Tave, sincere congratulations on winding this dumb piece of poo poo up so badly.
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Oct 2, 2019 23:39
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Kai Tave posted:Hello, police? Have you ever heard of Gothic Chess? You neither, huh, okay. So anyway, there's this guy on the internet... I particularly liked the fake 'here is my proof of a plane ticket' which was a non-logged in internet search for plane tickets he hadn't even completed. But, you know, he's still issuing threats, to at least report them to kickstarter and google suggests 18 U.S.C. § 875 as a pretty blatant thing he's doing, so reporting it might actually turn into something he deserves for being a bumptious threatening dick.
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Oct 2, 2019 23:48
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Kai Tave, sincere congratulations on winding this dumb piece of poo poo up so badly. Echoing this Kai, gg friend
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Oct 2, 2019 23:55
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Reported the mouth-foaming alt-right guy, please everyone reading do the same.
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Oct 3, 2019 00:00
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Remora posted:Reported the mouth-foaming alt-right guy, please everyone reading do the same. 
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Oct 3, 2019 00:09
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Kai Tave posted:Hello, police? Have you ever heard of Gothic Chess? You neither, huh, okay. So anyway, there's this guy on the internet... lmao you're gonna come home and find a weird chess board on your counter and while you're looking at it he'll appear behind you
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Oct 3, 2019 00:15
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I admit it: I read Chad "SIGMATA" Walker's latest project, RECLAIMER, where you live in a post-climate disaster crisis world and seek to stop the garbage richies from fleeing the world they ruined, and I thought "that's pretty cool" But it's Chad "Redneck Revolution and the 3%ers are basically the same" so I'm very fuckin' leery that this dude is gonna deliver on the premise.
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Oct 3, 2019 00:56
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I mean, the game is literally ecofascism and the creator is a d-dev "centrist" who celebrates the idea that climate change will kill off large swaths of humanity because he knows it won't be him that will be dying of thirst. But you do you.
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Oct 3, 2019 01:10
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where does the ecofacism come in?
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Oct 3, 2019 01:15
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Side note, I encourage anyone interested in SIGMATA dude's leanings to check out his game Bombs and Balaclavas which is both free and pretty representative.
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Oct 3, 2019 01:33
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Ugh he's using the exact same system as Sigmata but with biotech and cybernetics and psychic powers instead of Signal powers. I don't dislike the system but it's just such a weird idea to bastardize Storyteller like that. Also looking at the backstory and I hate it? Like I was under the impression that the characters were fighting against the impending tip of the planet becoming inhospitable, a near-future sort of scenario where things are just on the brink of total environmental collapse and cascading Anthropocene. It's actually in the 2100s (which, yeah, okay) and the environment has already been ravaged, but the melting ice caps has released a superbug that thrives in the new environment and kills quickly. The planet-looters are fleeing Earth not because it's increasingly inhospitable but because they're fleeing the bug. If he wasn't a centrist dummy there would be no bug. The existence of the bug allows for some absolution of their actions, letting them be well-intentioned extremists fleeing a dangerous world. If he wanted to take a stance, he would just set it pre-tip and make the bad guys' actions be the bad actions dooming the world, nothing more or less. But he's a centrist dummy who, as a friend has succinctly put it, wants to make left-ish political games that are centered around violence because he's most comfortable modeling these things around the violence, so there has to be violence in contrived reasons.
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Oct 3, 2019 02:18
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Hostile V posted:But he's a centrist dummy who, as a friend has succinctly put it, wants to make left-ish political games that are centered around violence because he's most comfortable modeling these things around the violence, so there has to be violence in contrived reasons. But not too much violence, and not violence against the wrong kind of people. Wouldn't want to alienate rich people, white supremacists, fundies, or a Ben Garrison cartoon of leftists, would we?
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Oct 3, 2019 02:25
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Hostile V posted:Ugh he's using the exact same system as Sigmata but with biotech and cybernetics and psychic powers instead of Signal powers. I don't dislike the system but it's just such a weird idea to bastardize Storyteller like that. This is all actually a really good point, yeah. The earliest pitch of the game basically made it sound like that the earth was in the process of being slowly dragged back from the brink but the Elon Musk Cabal was threatening to undo all your hard work out of pure selfishness, but instead it sounds like the earth is already hosed and there's an unstoppable superbug that acts like nerve gas flooding the planet so, uh.
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Oct 3, 2019 02:46
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I admit it: I read Chad "SIGMATA" Walker's latest project, RECLAIMER, where you live in a post-climate disaster crisis world and seek to stop the garbage richies from fleeing the world they ruined, and I thought "that's pretty cool" Well, the really weird thing are the pledge levels... You can choose when pledging whether to give extra money to artists, editors or layout. As in, you can (for some reason) vote to give more money to some people who worked on the project, but not others.
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Oct 3, 2019 03:19
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oriongates posted:Well, the really weird thing are the pledge levels... lol why would you do this it's just asking for labor vs labor sentiments what the gently caress The first such choice also has a typo:  Edit: quote:At this point, you might be thinking, "Wait, PDF only? No print run?" I am highly skeptical of this approach. That Old Tree fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Oct 3, 2019 |
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Oct 3, 2019 03:33
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Kai Tave posted:This is all actually a really good point, yeah. The earliest pitch of the game basically made it sound like that the earth was in the process of being slowly dragged back from the brink but the Elon Musk Cabal was threatening to undo all your hard work out of pure selfishness, but instead it sounds like the earth is already hosed and there's an unstoppable superbug that acts like nerve gas flooding the planet so, uh. Ah! So I can just... drag them to Hell with me...? Yay?
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Oct 3, 2019 04:03
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Dawgstar posted:Ah! So I can just... drag them to Hell with me...? Yay?
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Oct 3, 2019 04:09
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What a grotesque shitshow of a setup.
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Oct 3, 2019 04:10
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His game before Sigmata, Cryptomancer, was basically set up so that the PCs couldn't win and the endgame was always getting killed by the unstoppable big bads. Looks like he's returning to "laffo you're hosed" form.
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Oh Jesus, he was the guy behind Cryptomancer?
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