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deletebeepbeepbeep
Nov 12, 2008

Guavanaut posted:

McVey on some of the new innovations in housing.
https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1178658836779024385

I guess she thinks that until recently everyone lived in flats :dadjoke:

She made a speech the other day stating that greenfield land (she meant greenbelt land) should only be developed in the most exceptional circumstances which had to be clarified by DCLG immediately after.

E:

deletebeepbeepbeep fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Oct 2, 2019

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Diet Crack
Jan 15, 2001

Finally, now I can have the plastic 3D printed home that will melt in summer I’ve always wanted!

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

radmonger posted:

When you buy a new pair of boots, you know that eventually the soles will wear out. The relevant word is ‘eventually’; you can get some walking in between now and then.

Oh my god just shut the gently caress up you relentless idiot

Desiderata
May 25, 2005
Go placidly amid the noise and haste...
These worn out boots can still give the Torys a good kicking. That's all the analogy I need.

Diet Crack
Jan 15, 2001

Preferably steel capped and ganged with spiked chains.

Flayer
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Buglord
I was like "wow, throwing his dad some shade there" and then he goes and misses out Kwarteng and the other black guy right before diving back in with the handshakes. There's no angle where any of what goes on there looks good.

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

How many miles do I have to walk in my boots to accrue enough Ability Points to level up to Leader of the Opposition?

Lord Ludikrous
Jun 7, 2008

Enjoy your tea...

I did a thing.



I think once my partner and I are over the trauma of the miscarriage we will try again, and I really don’t want our offspring to grow up in a Tory hellscape.

Every bit helps right?

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

it's not the position you achieve it's the boots you lost along the way

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Lord Ludikrous posted:

I did a thing.



I think once my partner and I are over the trauma of the miscarriage we will try again, and I really don’t want our offspring to grow up in a Tory hellscape.

Every bit helps right?

You're a good lad, too. And I don't think I said it earlier so I'm so sorry to hear about what happened.

Scikar
Nov 20, 2005

5? Seriously?

e: never mind I was beaten pages ago

Scikar fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Oct 2, 2019

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Lord Ludikrous posted:

I did a thing.



I think once my partner and I are over the trauma of the miscarriage we will try again, and I really don’t want our offspring to grow up in a Tory hellscape.

Every bit helps right?

I wrote in "I support Jeremy Corbyn's socialist agenda" when I joined.

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


forkboy84 posted:

What other outlets were giving Jeremy Corbyn airtime incidentally? Oh, that's right, before 2015 exactly gently caress all of them. You go where you can to get a platform to put your views out.

That's not an excuse. If he'd gladly appeared in The Sun we'd rightly be excoriating him over it. There's no acceptable reason to appear on a propaganda network for a fascist dictatorship except maybe to challenge that regime, which Corbyn wasn't. There were probably quite a few left-wingers who saw Corbyn on there and thought that maybe RT wasn't that bad after all.

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Comrade Fakename posted:

There's no acceptable reason to appear on a propaganda network for a fascist dictatorship

So now you're saying that Labour politicians shouldn't appear on the BBC?

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/Jamie4North/status/1179431655121010688?s=19

https://twitter.com/scottjunglist1/status/1179433920217128960?s=19

Dead Goon
Dec 13, 2002

No Obvious Flaws



Wachter posted:

How many miles do I have to walk in my boots to accrue enough Ability Points to level up to Leader of the Opposition?

500 miles.

And then maybe 500 more.

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
https://twitter.com/LiamDidsbury/status/1179135812987969537

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
radmonger who did you vote for in 2017

radmonger
Jun 6, 2011

Josef bugman posted:

However the problem is that, instead of standing around and going "oh dear" there is something you can do. Have an arguement. If you think Corbyn should eventually step down then I wouldn't say I am against it, but have an answer to obvious questions "like whom" and "how does this prevent the right from just taking over Labour again" and the final one "And how do you think this would actually improve things"?

And the argument I am making is that when, not if, Corbyn steps down, we should replace him with someone broadly similar. He has done his job; it has worked, more of the same please.

The replacement does no really need to be better, to lack some defect he has. We shouldn’t say ‘walking boots have failed, it is time for Crocs’ They just need to not have had their welcome with the public worn out.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Jose posted:

radmonger who did you vote for in 2017

Judging by his posts, the bootlicker party.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Lord Ludikrous posted:

I did a thing

Welcome comrade :respek:

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

forkboy84 posted:

Judging by his posts, the bootlicker party.

I wonder if it'll take more or less time until he responds than ronya

Firos
Apr 30, 2007

Staying abreast of the latest developments in jam communism



radmonger posted:

And the argument I am making is that when, not if, Corbyn steps down, we should replace him with someone broadly similar. He has done his job; it has worked, more of the same please.

The replacement does no really need to be better, to lack some defect he has. We shouldn’t say ‘walking boots have failed, it is time for Crocs’ They just need to not have had their welcome with the public worn out.

What the gently caress are you talking about.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Jose posted:

I wonder if it'll take more or less time until he responds than ronya
tbf ronya has that thing going on where if he admits that he voted in the UK then he can by gulag'd by [unspecified ASEAN country] or something so I understand some reluctance there.

pitch a fitness
Mar 19, 2010

radmonger posted:

And the argument I am making is that when, not if, Corbyn steps down, we should replace him with someone broadly similar. He has done his job; it has worked, more of the same please.

The replacement does no really need to be better, to lack some defect he has. We shouldn’t say ‘walking boots have failed, it is time for Crocs’ They just need to not have had their welcome with the public worn out.

In the boot analogy you never mentioned the existence of loads of old cobblers WHICH is ironic given...

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

if you buy a burrito, you end up eating it. corbyn must go, now

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

Guavanaut posted:

tbf ronya has that thing going on where if he admits that he voted in the UK then he can by gulag'd by [unspecified ASEAN country] or something so I understand some reluctance there.

Wait, what? What country has laws preventing you voting in another country's election?

ItohRespectArmy
Sep 11, 2019

Cutest In The World, Six Time DDT Ironheavymetalweight champion, Two Time International Princess champion, winner of two tournaments, a Princess Tag Team champion, And a pretty good singer too!
"When I was an idol, I felt nothing every day but now that I'm a pro wrestler I'm in pain constantly!"

Radmonger seems to think politicans have hp and every time someone smears them they lose hp but in reality nobody who liked corbyn in 2017 thinks he's hitler 4.0 now because the papers just keep repeating themselves.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Parliament to be prorogued next Tuesday, new session 14th October.

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!







Sorry is he saying the clip was edited so that “which is worse, would you say A or B?” “B” is turned into just “would you say A or B”?

Re Corbyn and electability: there are three hypotheses and nobody knows which is correct:

1. Corbs is an electoral asset and will win an election for labour despite polling badly (pick your reason: biased polls, lying voters etc)

2. Corbs is an electoral liability but it would be worse to change leaders going into an election

3 Corbs is an electoral liability and we should change him before the next election.

Since changing leaders looks weak and the electorate despise weakness more than almost anything else, I think the sensible thing is to stick with him.

E: final thought, maybe the path to socialism really is someone who comes across like Blair and then pulls off the mask moments after being confirmed by the Queen as PM and declares a radical agenda, like that Simpsons Russia->USSR scene.

(Or more plausibly, implements an ostensibly moderate agenda in the most radical way possible).

But it’s still worth trying to do it openly with a proper mandate first.

Beefeater1980 fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Oct 2, 2019

Scikar
Nov 20, 2005

5? Seriously?

radmonger posted:

And the argument I am making is that when, not if, Corbyn steps down, we should replace him with someone broadly similar. He has done his job; it has worked, more of the same please.

radmonger, just a couple of pages ago posted:

Obviously Labour can’t afford a leadership change now, let alone a contest. But when the opportunity arises, it should be taken. And before the Bell cartoon of all the Tory leaders Corbyn has been in opposition to acquires too many more panels.

So when you said Labour should take the opportunity for a leadership change when it arises, you meant that they should hold a ballot when Corbyn steps down? All that waffling about boots boils down to "we should elect a new leader when the current one quits"?

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

marktheando posted:

Normally true but this next general election will be all about Brexit.
The other thing to bear in mind with polls about leader popularity is the stunning capacity of the average voter to say things like "Well of course I don't want him in power, but we have to because of this single issue that's been hyped up."

What's hilarious is that the papers have locked themselves into a death spiral of single issue brexit, just as Labour have maneuvred themselves into the only realistic brexit position (take no deal off the table then let the people decide between their deal and remain). The only other issue being austerity, on which the Tory party's record is blisteringly toxic.

The only problem is that at the moment, a lot of melts are directing that "guess we have to" energy at the lib dems because they are swallowing the Corbyn unelectability garbage hook line and sinker, and those dumb fucks are splitting the vote.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

keep punching joe posted:

Parliament to be prorogued next Tuesday, new session 14th October.

To be fair a week long prorogation is normal and legal, this time round. It takes about that long normally.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

feedmegin posted:

To be fair a week long prorogation is normal and legal, this time round. It takes about that long normally.

Feels like more of Boris's bullshit attempts to avoid parliamentary scrutiny.

brian
Sep 11, 2001
I obtained this title through beard tax.

Beefeater1980 posted:

Re Corbyn and electability: there are three hypotheses and nobody knows which is correct:


actually no we had this whole election in 2017 where corbs got the largest increase in vote share of the labour party since 1945, so we do know

pitch a fitness
Mar 19, 2010

feedmegin posted:

To be fair a week long prorogation is normal and legal, this time round. It takes about that long normally.

And given conference recess would have been in play anyway, it's absolute galaxy brain that they went for an unlawful extended prorogue for the sake of about 5 days in the first place.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Terry Pratchett's thing about boots is the UKMT equivalent of centrist twitter being obsessed with Harry Potter I guess

Bobby Deluxe posted:

The other thing to bear in mind with polls about leader popularity is the stunning capacity of the average voter to say things like "Well of course I don't want him in power, but we have to because of this single issue that's been hyped up."

What's hilarious is that the papers have locked themselves into a death spiral of single issue brexit, just as Labour have maneuvred themselves into the only realistic brexit position (take no deal off the table then let the people decide between their deal and remain). The only other issue being austerity, on which the Tory party's record is blisteringly toxic.

The only problem is that at the moment, a lot of melts are directing that "guess we have to" energy at the lib dems because they are swallowing the Corbyn unelectability garbage hook line and sinker, and those dumb fucks are splitting the vote.

Corbyn has always polled terribly as best PM, even in 2017 when Labour did well, it's true. So fair enough to ignore that. It's the Labour vote share compared to the tories I'm more worried about. And those numbers only moving a very small amount as Boris does incredibly stupid insane things and pursues no deal brexit.

Dead Goon
Dec 13, 2002

No Obvious Flaws



If I had something really important to do, I wouldn't take a week off just because.

(I totally would, but I'm not in charge of the country)

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Gort posted:

Wait, what? What country has laws preventing you voting in another country's election?
There's definitely some countries who are Commonwealth weirdness and don't allow dual citizenship, so if you're from there but have leave to remain in the UK, you're allowed to vote here by UK law according to the Commonwealth bit, but may not be by your home country's law if they take a strict interpretation of things like "If the government is satisfied that any citizen has voluntarily claimed and exercised in any country outside this one any rights available to him under the law of that country, being rights accorded exclusively to its citizens, the government may by order deprive that person of his citizenship."

Voting in national elections sometimes being considered one of those rights, even though voting in the UK isn't really "rights accorded exclusively to its citizens" because, like, Irish citizens exist.

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Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

marktheando posted:

Terry Pratchett's thing about boots is the UKMT equivalent of centrist twitter being obsessed with Harry Potter I guess


Corbyn has always polled terribly as best PM, even in 2017 when Labour did well, it's true. So fair enough to ignore that. It's the Labour vote share compared to the tories I'm more worried about. And those numbers only moving a very small amount as Boris does incredibly stupid insane things and pursues no deal brexit.

so if we ignore some of the polling because results have shown that it's not a good predictor of electoral success

maybe we should also ignore the rest of the polling because results have shown that it's not a good predictor of electoral success

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