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CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Rigel posted:

Just an ignorant guess, but is the reason why UK polls are notoriously bad because on the phone a voter will tell them their preference in a perfect world where their party is actually viable, but on voting day they go "welp, my guy is dead in the water in my district, time to vote for the least-bad option"

yeah you're describing constituency level polling - going to each place there is an election and polling how people will vote in said election. only one polling company does this and it's run by the arch conservative literal lord ashcroft.

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Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Rarity posted:

Just had a letter from WOOOOOOAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH OHHHHHHHHHH Thangam Debbonaire pointing out that she's up for reselection soon :getin:


Designing buildings on a computer. The loving future-forward genius thinking on display here.

I got that letter too, lol. Not decided how I'll vote yet: she was lovely in the past but seems pretty competent and has refrained from sticking knives in the leadership recently.

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Pistol_Pete posted:

I got that letter too, lol. Not decided how I'll vote yet: she was lovely in the past but seems pretty competent and has refrained from sticking knives in the leadership recently.

Can't deprive parliament of that glorious name tbh

Her and Bambos Charalambos have jobs for life

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Schrodinger's prosperity: simultaneously voting for brexit because it'll make the country more prosperous, while also accepting that things will be tough and a lot of poors and disableds are going to have to die and none of the money will make its way to them, of course.

Years of being shat on have ingrained the status quo in their shrivelled brains to such an extent that they're celebrating prosperity they are never going to touch.

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

I don't think gammons give a poo poo about prosperity, and some would endure penury if it meant that the forrins suffer worse

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Taear posted:

I'd really enjoy someone doing a poll of people that want no deal and asking them why.
I just can't get my head around it.

no deal is better than a bad deal convinced a lot of people no deal is fine

Trades
Aug 3, 2013
Very, very long term lurker here... just wanted to say thank you to those in the thread encouraging people to get out and campaign.

Just done my first bit of door knocking, it was far less terrifying than I thought and I’ll definitely be doing it again!

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Maybe "no deal is better than a bad deal" means "there's no deal we're going to get that's better than a bad deal."

Carborundum
Feb 21, 2013
Meal deals convinced me that most British people have no idea what either of those words actually means.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

Wachter posted:

I don't think gammons give a poo poo about prosperity, and some would endure penury if it meant that the forrins suffer worse

Conservative mindset: the terrible fear that somewhere, someone is getting away with something.

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012


Yes and they also got Labours euro vote share wrong by ~9% a day before polling day

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Carborundum posted:

Meal deals convinced me that most British people have no idea what either of those words actually means.

No meal is better than a bad meal, yet Breakfast still means Breakfast

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1179485940265316352?s=19

Corbyn confirmed furry.

Random Integer
Oct 7, 2010

Polls have been bad ever since Thatcher tried to tax them. Send them back to Pollland I say.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Beefeater1980 posted:

Sorry is he saying the clip was edited so that “which is worse, would you say A or B?” “B” is turned into just “would you say A or B”?

Re Corbyn and electability: there are three hypotheses and nobody knows which is correct:

1. Corbs is an electoral asset and will win an election for labour despite polling badly (pick your reason: biased polls, lying voters etc)

2. Corbs is an electoral liability but it would be worse to change leaders going into an election

3 Corbs is an electoral liability and we should change him before the next election.

Since changing leaders looks weak and the electorate despise weakness more than almost anything else, I think the sensible thing is to stick with him.

E: final thought, maybe the path to socialism really is someone who comes across like Blair and then pulls off the mask moments after being confirmed by the Queen as PM and declares a radical agenda, like that Simpsons Russia->USSR scene.

(Or more plausibly, implements an ostensibly moderate agenda in the most radical way possible).

But it’s still worth trying to do it openly with a proper mandate first.

https://twitter.com/unTayloredTweet/status/1179451378755887105?s=19

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Trades posted:

Very, very long term lurker here... just wanted to say thank you to those in the thread encouraging people to get out and campaign.

Just done my first bit of door knocking, it was far less terrifying than I thought and I’ll definitely be doing it again!

How many new recruits do you think you've encouraged to the tory cause?

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

Bobstar posted:

Conservative mindset: the terrible fear that somewhere, someone is getting away with something.

I believe I once saw it summed up as "Left wingers believe the greatest injustice is people not getting what they need. Right wingers believe the greatest injustice is people getting what they don't 'deserve'".

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

This avatar made possible by a gift from the Religionthread Posters Relief Fund

NotJustANumber99 posted:

How many new recruits do you think you've encouraged to the tory cause?

When did you last talk to another human being without sarcasm? Because this bit is getting old.

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?
https://twitter.com/milkmedianewyor/status/1179152071431524352?s=20

:eyepop:

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



AceOfFlames posted:

I believe I once saw it summed up as "Left wingers believe the greatest injustice is people not getting what they need. Right wingers believe the greatest injustice is people getting what they don't 'deserve'".

Very much this. And it's a bit chicken-and-egg when it comes to what they think people deserve, but what people deserve and people getting away with something get all tangled up until you end up being such a wanker you'll vote for the Tories because somewhere a disabled person might have a good day where they can manage well and thus prove they need no welfare.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling




Gotta say, the People's Comissars are doing some sterling work if they can prevent mass rioting for several years after everyone's had to eat their pets.

Also :hmbol: the replies are absolutely amazing, people gushing as if this is the work of a latter-day Michaelangelo.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
everyone wished you happy birthday a day early ms adequate, like suckers. now I, coolcab, will swoop in and be the final and greatest birthday wisher.

EvilHawk
Sep 15, 2009

LIVARPOOL!

Klopp's 13pts clear thanks to video ref


Bit weird that Corbyn kicks out the Jews in a couple of years but can't ban Countdown until later

Endjinneer
Aug 17, 2005
Fallen Rib

Milk music is way better than milk media
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4bmzJYPyP8

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

*child's crayon drawing depicting the galaxy devoured by the Outer Realms following Corbs becoming PM*

Twitter: vary in site full makes u think

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Josef bugman posted:

When did you last talk to another human being without sarcasm? Because this bit is getting old.

As I understand it he stopped being an edgy teenager literally last week and is now an edgy 20 year old. Whadyagonnado :shrug:

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

This avatar made possible by a gift from the Religionthread Posters Relief Fund

feedmegin posted:

As I understand it he stopped being an edgy teenager literally last week and is now an edgy 20 year old. Whadyagonnado :shrug:

He joined the forums at 12/13?!

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...


Miwk Media
New York

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



CoolCab posted:

everyone wished you happy birthday a day early ms adequate, like suckers. now I, coolcab, will swoop in and be the final and greatest birthday wisher.

:eyepop: A dramatic and powerful move. I salute and applaud you!

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Ms Adequate posted:

Also :hmbol: the replies are absolutely amazing, people gushing as if this is the work of a latter-day Michaelangelo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNba2oEij2c

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Josef bugman posted:

When did you last talk to another human being without sarcasm? Because this bit is getting old.

Lol let everyone do their own thing I reckon. Sorry if i've upset you, I don't mean that sarcastically at all. I dunno. I don't do well in here. Everyone tolerates me much better in the discord but its mainly because of my mum.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Lol let everyone do their own thing I reckon. Sorry if i've upset you, I don't mean that sarcastically at all. I dunno. I don't do well in here. Everyone tolerates me much better in the discord but its mainly because of my mum.

Does your mum run the discord or something?

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Lol let everyone do their own thing I reckon. Sorry if i've upset you, I don't mean that sarcastically at all. I dunno. I don't do well in here. Everyone tolerates me much better in the discord but its mainly because of my mum.

Microwave parachute account spotted

Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Oct 2, 2019

radmonger
Jun 6, 2011

Jose posted:

radmonger who did you vote for in 2017

Not only did I vote for Corbyn (then and in both leadership elections), I think was the only person in this thread who expected him do well. I actually put a fiver on him getting a majority, once the odds became totally ridiculous.

The point is, Labour have decided not to contest the next election ( there was a vote at conference and everything, it seemed like about 3 months ago). So the relevant political topic is whether Corbyn will step down shortly after losing; I am expressing the opinion he should, in order to allow someone untalented fed by Brexit failure to carry the banner of the left.

It turns out this is a surprisingly controversial position; is it that people here really think Labour will win, or have they merely not thought through the implications yet?

jaete
Jun 21, 2009


Nap Ghost

radmonger posted:

The point is, Labour have decided not to contest the next election ( there was a vote at conference and everything, it seemed like about 3 months ago). So the relevant political topic is whether Corbyn will step down shortly after losing; I am expressing the opinion he should, in order to allow someone untalented fed by Brexit failure to carry the banner of the left.

What the gently caress are you on about m8

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

radmonger posted:

The point is, Labour have decided not to contest the next election

Wheres this point? I don't think this is a point?

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Wheres this point? I don't think this is a point?

Ssh, don't interrupt the crazy person

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

radmonger posted:

The point is, Labour have decided not to contest the next election

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

radmonger posted:

Not only did I vote for Corbyn (then and in both leadership elections), I think was the only person in this thread who expected him do well. I actually put a fiver on him getting a majority, once the odds became totally ridiculous.

Was not expecting this

but good

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Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Was not expecting this

but good

This is Radmonger you're talking about. The guy who always tells the truth is still standing by one of the doors.

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