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Ceiling fan posted:Sounds like she's proposing the public option version of Medicare for All. And strengthening mental health care requirements for the people who keep private health insurance. It took a lot of reading between the lines to get there, though. The mental health system nationwide will still have the problem California's having though. There isn't anywhere near enough capacity to meet demand. I mean, if college is free you can train up a bunch of people relatively easily if you guarantee jobs in that field. Also, there is one Medicare for All, it's the bills actually introduced in the house (by Jayapall) and senate (by Sanders). Honestly I prefer Jayapal's since it phases in faster (reducing the amount of insurance company fuckery during the phase in), and covers long term care. Everything else using the same term is purposefully trying to muddy the waters. The "public option version of Medicare for All" is not Medicare for All.
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Even beyond the presidential elections, there's a ton of work that needs to be done getting progressives into local and state governments, as well as the Senate.Crakkerjakk posted:You're right. People understand stories, and stories work best when there are villains. That said, I think most people are perfectly willing to go along with "the bad guy is your boss/landlord/rich assholes, they are loving you, and there are more of us than there are of them." You'd have to hope this gets past the "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" mindset, though. Some people are more than happy to get poo poo on by someone above as long as they get to poo poo on someone else below.
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Zamujasa posted:Even beyond the presidential elections, there's a ton of work that needs to be done getting progressives into local and state governments, as well as the Senate. The DNC and what passes for state parties are going to do everything possible to prevent this
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Zamujasa posted:Even beyond the presidential elections, there's a ton of work that needs to be done getting progressives into local and state governments, as well as the Senate. You're right that we need to push at all levels. Here's a list of good candidates that are primarying lovely Dems or running to go against especially lovely Republicans. Let me know if you think there's anyone who should be added to it and why. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l4OSW_lm_0cMR5JLVlvAlKlyaYq-35xLu_pbNCoAdG4/edit?usp=drivesdk I would encourage anyone who can afford to to donate or volunteer for them. And yeah, some people think they need to preserve the structures that crush most of us into a lovely hard scrabble existence because one day they'll get to be doing the crushing. But you don't have to convince everybody, just enough to seize power, and then actually materially improve the lives of 90% of Americans. A lot of people who might otherwise be skeptical are likely to be less so once they can just go to a doctor, their rent isn't half their income, they don't have to keep trying to pay off medical or student loan debt, etc. At the least they're more likely to stay home and grumble instead of mobilizing to support your opposition.
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On that note, the Texas GOP in both national and state houses are retiring in droves. The GOP itself in Texas is having a small disaster where the moderate current House Speaker may or may not have encouraged a Tea Party group to go after fellow moderate Republicans in exchange for media credentials(wtf lol), and talked poo poo about those members. There is a recording of this that hasn't been released because neither side can actually figure out if its good or bad to do so. Our legislature meets for approximately 3 days every 2 years so we need special sessions to do anything and despite everyone wanting one so we can pretend to do something about gun violence, Abbott won't call one because they'd have to deal with this poo poo instead. Its not going to turn Texas purple, but there is now just enough resistance in the state from Democrats to force people not to just coast along election to election. https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/01/politics/texas-retirements-gop-2020/index.html
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Man, it's like corruption mad libs. https://twitter.com/MZanona/status/1179493816262373382?s=19 https://twitter.com/byrdinator/status/1179492846509969408?s=19
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If Bernie makes it to the finish line in the Democratic primary, then congrats, but if he drops out for some reason, and you decide not to vote, or write in Bernie anyways in protest, then you're part of the reason that the Republicans continue to win, because they can count on Democrats to internally bicker and tear each other apart while they have built a monolithic political machine to gently caress over poors and immigrants.
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orange juche posted:If Bernie makes it to the finish line in the Democratic primary, then congrats, but if he drops out for some reason, and you decide not to vote, or write in Bernie anyways in protest, then you're part of the reason that the Republicans continue to win, because they can count on Democrats to internally bicker and tear each other apart while they have built a monolithic political machine to gently caress over poors and immigrants. Yeah thats literally not why Democrats lose but thanks for playing
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Dear people who report posts: Please don't invent your own forum rules and report people who break the rules that you invented. Thanks, The Management
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McNally posted:Dear people who report posts: tell us who snitched we demand forums justice
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Yeah thats literally not why Democrats lose but thanks for playing Democrat voters fail to show up to the polls which hands the W to the Republican candidate sure sounds like how they lose. If you don't vote because you're protesting then you're helping the objectively worse Republican candidate win. Making a principled stand while the country burns around you sure is great.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Yeah thats literally not why Democrats lose but thanks for playing It's not the entire reason, but taking your ball and going home certainly doesn't help.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:tell us who snitched Someone who has literally never posted in GIP. Ever.
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orange juche posted:Democrat voters fail to show up to the polls which hands the W to the Republican candidate sure sounds like how they lose. If there was only a vast swath of untapped voters...
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McNally posted:Someone who has literally never posted in GIP. Ever. i figured thatd happen on an hourly basis
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DAS Super! posted:If there was only a vast swath of untapped voters... if only they showed up in the primary
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You know I've been on these forums since 2001 and I think I've used the report button maybe twice
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Texas cop got 10 years for murdering the guy eating ice cream in his own apartment.
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Smiling Jack posted:You know I've been on these forums since 2001 and I think I've used the report button maybe twice Same, though I did try and report McNally to McNally and it doesn't give me the option to report a mod
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DAS Super! posted:If there was only a vast swath of untapped voters... Literally 45% of all eligible voters. About 40% of those who don't vote it's because they don't like the candidates and don't feel like either candidate will actually change anything. About 9% is registration problems, or not being able to get to a polling place.
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CommieGIR posted:Texas cop got 10 years for murdering the guy eating ice cream in his own apartment. I'm not up on Texas sentences, but that's pretty average for murder in NYC if you have no priors. Texas is clearly different because the juries deciding the sentence is not a thing in New York.
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Smiling Jack posted:I'm not up on Texas sentences, but that's pretty average for murder in NYC if you have no priors. joat mon in the detainment thread says that the way Texas decides between first and second degree murder is that the jury picks the appropriate sentence during the penalty phase. The potential range for 2nd degree murder in Texas is between 2-20 years. I wonder if the jury just said "ok we think its 2nd degree, just take the middle of the range I guess, lets go home"
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McNally posted:Someone who has literally never posted in GIP. Ever. Did they report a pro-bernie or anti-bernie post
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hobbesmaster posted:joat mon in the detainment thread says that the way Texas decides between first and second degree murder is that the jury picks the appropriate sentence during the penalty phase. The potential range for 2nd degree murder in Texas is between 2-20 years. I wonder if the jury just said "ok we think its 2nd degree, just take the middle of the range I guess, lets go home" It's not first or second degree murder. There are no degrees in TX. She was convicted of murder, which is a first degree felony. It is possible to reduce that to a second degree felony at sentencing if it was a crime of passion, but this was not.
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Smiling Jack posted:I'm not up on Texas sentences, but that's pretty average for murder in NYC if you have no priors. https://twitter.com/IAmSOSpacedOut/status/1179502981567406080?s=20
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Learning about how Texas does criminal.justice reminds me that we have 50+ legal systems in this country and they all do things differently. poo poo, we effectively have seven different legal systems in New York depending on if you are charged federally, by a county DA or by the special Narcotics office
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Mr. Nice! posted:It's not first or second degree murder. There are no degrees in TX. She was convicted of murder, which is a first degree felony. It is possible to reduce that to a second degree felony at sentencing if it was a crime of passion, but this was not. Whats the jury instruction really like for this? Is it just write the number of years on the blank or something? That seems like a recipe for very, very random results because 12 people would have to agree on a number.
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The IG delivering congress a bunch of Qanon poo poo he claimed was urgent is the most 2019 thing
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I don't think anyone on Capitol Hill knows what to make about the State IG briefing. It looks like some wingnut (in an administration full of them) sent a 40-page packet of poo poo, in Trump Hotel folders, from the White House to Secretary of State Pompeo, which had a bunch of bullshit about the former Ukrainian Ambassador that's set to testify. This seems to be the basic anti-impeachment strategy of airing out as many batshit insane conspiracies and lies to get through it. It might work, but I still don't see any of it convincing currently nonverbal Republicans. And it still doesn't account for any of the actual materials getting out, or the "transcript". I'm thinking it's a "me, or your lying eyes" play. Here: https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1179510587077857280?s=19 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Oct 2, 2019 |
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Smiling Jack posted:I'm not up on Texas sentences, but that's pretty average for murder in NYC if you have no priors. Not average (for non LEOs) in Oklahoma. (Which also has jury sentencing) hobbesmaster posted:joat mon in the detainment thread says that the way Texas decides between first and second degree murder is that the jury picks the appropriate sentence during the penalty phase. The potential range for 2nd degree murder in Texas is between 2-20 years. I wonder if the jury just said "ok we think its 2nd degree, just take the middle of the range I guess, lets go home" This jury did not find sudden passion.
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Does Texas take prior convictions into account? Prior convictions can turn a no-jail felony into significant time.
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this is a real tweet from our president https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1179502966606352386?ref_url=http%3a%2f%2fforums.somethingawful.com%2f
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joat mon posted:This jury did not find sudden passion. Then 10 seems odd? Minimum is 5, prosecution recommended 28, right?
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Posted this in discord but I felt it worth sharing In regards to Amber, y’all remember this?  Apparently they used it in his defense: that the scent should have also alerted her (amongst literally everything else) that it wasn’t her apartment. Lol Makes me think of the search warrant on the wrong house where the cops blasted the dude through the door, then came out saying “ok wrong house but the guy we killed was a felon!”
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Trump was just cold-calling various heads of state and asking them for "help", wasn't he? Oh my god I was just thinking the same thing. I mean not just just, like a few days ago. After Italy and Australia I said there's a chance he kept doing this, right
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Smiling Jack posted:Does Texas take prior convictions into account? Prior convictions can turn a no-jail felony into significant time. hobbesmaster posted:Then 10 seems odd? Minimum is 5, prosecution recommended 28, right?
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:Same, though I did try and report McNally to McNally and it doesn't give me the option to report a mod It's because someone beat you to it, not because I'm a mod. Hot Karl Marx posted:Did they report a pro-bernie or anti-bernie post Neither, they reported someone for showing that they had Professor Bling on ignore.
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McNally posted:Neither, they reported someone for showing that they had Professor Bling on ignore. ahahahahahahahahahahah
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