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Lord of the Llamas posted:Anyone who abuses power imbalances is obviously wrong but that's hardly unique to a lodger/landlord situation. Lodgers have statutory rights so they would be sensible to know what they are too. But in exercising their statutory rights, lodgers have to have escalating disputes with, and eventually take legal action against, the person they live with. Lord of the Llamas posted:I'm pretty sure most people here who live alone wouldn't take in a stranger for free. Yeah it's either 92% of your mortgage or nothing, no wiggle room there.
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Noxville posted:https://twitter.com/richardburgon/status/1179712281627766784?s=21 These people are loving deranged psychos and they shouldn't be within a hundred miles of the levers of power
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Wachter posted:But in exercising their statutory rights, lodgers have to have escalating disputes with, and eventually take legal action against, the person they live with. By this logic nobody should live with anyone ever pretty much. If your landlord (or flatmate, or spouse,...) is acting lovely you're probably going to want to get out of that situation as soon as is reasonably possible; knowing your rights is obvious an important part of that. Wachter posted:Yeah it's either 92% of your mortgage or nothing, no wiggle room there. Well the article sort of implies it includes bills and it's hard to make a subjective judgement on the price without knowing what normal rents are in that area. I just think it's ridiculous to dogpile on this and act as if it's exactly the same as BTL landlordism and it therefore unadulterated a priori evil when it's not.
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buying a house with more rooms than you need just to have lodgers is bad offering out spare rooms in the house you happen to have is unambiguously good and more people should do it
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Lord of the Llamas posted:By this logic nobody should live with anyone ever pretty much. If your landlord (or flatmate, or spouse,...) is acting lovely you're probably going to want to get out of that situation as soon as is reasonably possible; knowing your rights is obvious an important part of that. I'll give you that it's not as awful as BTL landlordism, but charging someone money in order for them to have a place to live is a priori evil imo
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i mean what you should do is sell your house and move into a smaller house, but people get weird about their houses
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Jose posted:The only acceptable mushroom foraging is for magic mushrooms this is SO dangerous in this country iirc, liberty caps look way too much like another mushroom- i want to say death caps - that will kill you loving dead. i got curious and looked into it years ago and there were entire loving forums of people going "is this going to get me high or am i going to die". i'd do smack first.
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Hobo posted:https://twitter.com/imbadatlife/status/1179672808059805696?s=20 No you see social inferiors *should* feel guilt over enjoying luxuries (returns to furiously typing proposal to reinstate sumptuary laws).
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In an ideal world you wouldn't charge a lodger for anything other than an equal share of the bills and council tax, but given the housing market and the restrictions that work places on where you can buy, I'm not gonna blame anyone for not being quite that generous. Edit: obviously not giving a pass to people trying to get some poor fucker to pay off their entire mortgage for them. Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Oct 3, 2019 |
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coffeetable posted:i mean what you should do is sell your house and move into a smaller house, but people get weird about their houses That's pure Tory 'bedroom tax' type nonsense. You're saying nobody should ever have a spare room? And also one of the key points of failure of the stated purpose of the bedroom tax is that there isn't actually a huge supply of these vacant 1 bedroom houses/flats for these people to move in to. I also don't think it's "weird" to have an emotional attachment to the place you live.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:I'm pretty sure most people here who live alone wouldn't take in a stranger for free. Perhaps you should charge them proportional to the space you are selling them, minus some more because they don't have any autonomy over the space, like you do. Rather than, say, nearly the entire value of the property per month.
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CoolCab posted:this is SO dangerous in this country iirc, liberty caps look way too much like another mushroom- i want to say death caps - that will kill you loving dead. i got curious and looked into it years ago and there were entire loving forums of people going "is this going to get me high or am i going to die". i'd do smack first. Always go with someone who's picked em before of course. I think most will have been snaffled up by now, but growing mushrooms at home is a fun hobby. I accidentally smoked spice the other week, speaking of getting high/die. Ropey stuff that.
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Barry Foster posted:Chicken thighs are way, way tastier than breast and getting more fat is always good, but they're inconvenient as heck when you're trying to restrict calories while getting in the protein. I agree chicken thighs are the bomb, but if you invest in a food thermometer you'll never have dry chicken breasts again. Just season and bake them, take them out when they reach the right temp and they're always juicy as hell, without fail.
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OwlFancier posted:Perhaps you should charge them proportional to the space you are selling them, minus some more because they don't have any autonomy over the space, like you do. We don't know how reasonable or unreasonably the £400 a month is. The £436 payment on a 30 year term suggests a mortgage of around £90,000 which may or may not be a large proportion of the value. And as already stated it's possible that includes bills too. I just don't agree with the "it would be morally superior to leave the spare room empty than ever rent it out" logic going on here.
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CoolCab posted:this is SO dangerous in this country iirc, liberty caps look way too much like another mushroom- i want to say death caps - that will kill you loving dead. i got curious and looked into it years ago and there were entire loving forums of people going "is this going to get me high or am i going to die". i'd do smack first.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:That's pure Tory 'bedroom tax' type nonsense. You're saying nobody should ever have a spare room? And also one of the key points of failure of the stated purpose of the bedroom tax is that there isn't actually a huge supply of these vacant 1 bedroom houses/flats for these people to move in to. I also don't think it's "weird" to have an emotional attachment to the place you live. coffeetable fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Oct 3, 2019 |
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Lord of the Llamas posted:We don't know how reasonable or unreasonably the £400 a month is. The £436 payment on a 30 year term suggests a mortgage of around £90,000 which may or may not be a large proportion of the value. And as already stated it's possible that includes bills too. I just don't agree with the "it would be morally superior to leave the spare room empty than ever rent it out" logic going on here. Even then she's still profiting from the wealth equity gain on the house as it increases in value. Not sure why 'profiting off another human's basic need for shelter' is such a difficult concept for you to grasp.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:By this logic nobody should live with anyone ever pretty much. If your landlord (or flatmate, or spouse,...) is acting lovely you're probably going to want to get out of that situation as soon as is reasonably possible; knowing your rights is obvious an important part of that. Oh come on. The lodger/landlord relationship is totally different to those between flatmates or spouses. The landlord both owns and occupies the lodger's home; the lodger must co-exist alongside someone who views them as a source of income. I used to work in Housing Benefit and heard first hand the egregious poo poo that comes out of these dynamics.
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justcola posted:I accidentally smoked spice the other week, speaking of getting high/die. Ropey stuff that. I'd definitely rather do smack than that. Some of the stories I've heard about spice are properly harrowing, and the potential for long term effects is pretty scary too. The fact that a lot of people think they're better off using spice than weed because weed is illegal is testament to how stupendously moronic and irresponsible drug prohibition is Aphex- posted:I agree chicken thighs are the bomb, but if you invest in a food thermometer you'll never have dry chicken breasts again. Just season and bake them, take them out when they reach the right temp and they're always juicy as hell, without fail. Yeah, I was being a bit whingy there, but it does still wear thin. Luckily I also get to choke down tins of tuna for variety too, lol
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Lord of the Llamas posted:We don't know how reasonable or unreasonably the £400 a month is. The £436 payment on a 30 year term suggests a mortgage of around £90,000 which may or may not be a large proportion of the value. And as already stated it's possible that includes bills too. I just don't agree with the "it would be morally superior to leave the spare room empty than ever rent it out" logic going on here. I think very few, if any, people are saying to leave it empty, comrade.
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coffeetable posted:there are sixteen million unoccupied bedrooms in the uk. i would absolutely support a bedroom tax if it applied to everyoneand was proportional to home value and only applied over a certain threshold that reflected the costs of moving house Of course there are lots of spare rooms because in general we don't build many one bedroom properties. I looked on Rightmove for properties for sale in Leicester (where the author is stated to be from) and we can see the following: 1 Bedrooms: 144 2 Bedrooms: 519 3 Bedrooms: 845 4+ Bedrooms: 723 So only 6.5% of the properties for sale are 1 bedroom properties so good luck with your genius policy initiative. Rarity posted:Even then she's still profiting from the wealth equity gain on the house as it increases in value. Ok so she should just evict her lodger and Rarity will be happier. Wachter posted:Oh come on. The lodger/landlord relationship is totally different to those between flatmates or spouses. The landlord both owns and occupies the lodger's home; the lodger must co-exist alongside someone who views them as a source of income. I used to work in Housing Benefit and heard first hand the egregious poo poo that comes out of these dynamics. Substantial power imbalances can exist in all of those situations. Sometimes one flatmate might be the principal on the lease. Sometimes a boyfriend/girlfriend will move into their partners home they already own. Sometimes one person in a relationship/marriage will earn significantly more than the other. Miftan posted:I think very few, if any, people are saying to leave it empty, comrade. They want to force everyone like her to move into a supply of 1 bedroom apartments that don't actually exist in those numbers? Lord of the Llamas fucked around with this message at 13:37 on Oct 3, 2019 |
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Of course there are lots of spare rooms because in general we don't build many one bedroom properties. I looked on Rightmove for properties for sale in Leicester (where the author is stated to be from) and we can see the following:
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What part of "if her mortgage is £400 a month and she sees all the benefits of paying it, she shouldn't be charging her lodger £400 a month for a room" is escaping you? If the house is worth that much then the room is worth far less than that. But because she has the capital she can dictate the terms of the rent, and has chosen to fob off the costs of her own enrichment on her lodger, that is landlording, and it is bad.
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Wachter posted:Oh come on. The lodger/landlord relationship is totally different to those between flatmates or spouses. The landlord both owns and occupies the lodger's home; the lodger must co-exist alongside someone who views them as a source of income. I used to work in Housing Benefit and heard first hand the egregious poo poo that comes out of these dynamics. (That's not excusing the landlord, it's saying that the concept of the nuclear family as it exists under capitalism leads to some really hosed up power dynamics, and while our long term goal should be abolition, our more immediate requirement is providing shelter and support for people trying to get away from both families and landlords.)
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coffeetable posted:weird how developers don't think there's any reason to build one-beds. i wonder how that could be encouraged Don't bother and just let people have 2 bedrooms as a minimum. OwlFancier posted:What part of "if her mortgage is £400 a month and she sees all the benefits of paying it, she shouldn't be charging her lodger £400 a month for a room" is escaping you? She's presumably charging that because its the going rate in the area for a room.
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coffeetable posted:weird how developers don't think there's any reason to build one-beds. i wonder how that could be encouraged Indeed. But we have to deal with the situation we have right now not the one you think we can have in the future. OwlFancier posted:What part of "if her mortgage is £400 a month and she sees all the benefits of paying it, she shouldn't be charging her lodger £400 a month for a room" is escaping you? I'm saying we *don't know* the full facts of the situation. I'm not saying that it's possible or even likely she should be charging less to be fairer at all. I also don't think you should be completely ignoring the having a complete stranger living with you thing either. I've yet to see any comrade piping up and saying they allow someone they don't know to live with them for free because they had a spare room.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:She's presumably charging that because its the going rate in the area for a room. Other people profiting by being shitbirds does not give you a free pass to do the same.
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OwlFancier posted:What part of "if her mortgage is £400 a month and she sees all the benefits of paying it, she shouldn't be charging her lodger £400 a month for a room" is escaping you? I mean, that is not necessarily true. A house in the countryside outside of a large city is probably worth X while a room in London may be worth nX. Not saying this is the case here, but someone could be currently living in a city and wanting to move out of it.
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