Bobby Deluxe posted:

It reminds me of that defence minister in the 2nd Iraq invasion. "Don't be ridiculous, the American tanks are nowhere near the capital, and even if they were they're no match for our mighty army! Everything is fine!" As the city loving explodes behind him. And then when the US army hits Baghdad, he just loving disappears. Everything's fine until it isn't, and then they just disappear so they don't have to face the music.

[cameron-humming.mp4]

That Italian Guy posted:

Would it be ethical to rent a room at 1/2 the price of the average in your area if you have a two bedroom apartment and you only need one to sleep? Or would the only UKMT acceptable solution be to host someone for free? Maybe bills?

That Italian Guy posted:

Would it be ethical to rent a room at 1/2 the price of the average in your area if you have a two bedroom apartment and you only need one to sleep? Or would the only UKMT acceptable solution be to host someone for free? Maybe bills?

Angrymog posted:

I use my second bedroom as a study/office. My living room isn't big enough for both a computer and my bookshelves, and gently caress having a second person living here.

OwlFancier posted:

Whole lotta people making the "but what about the market rate??" argument as if, as noted, everyone else being a piece of poo poo excuses you.

Angrymog posted:

I use my second bedroom as a study/office. My living room isn't big enough for both a computer and my bookshelves, and gently caress having a second person living here.

Guavanaut posted:

You should hear some of the egregious poo poo that comes out of the power dynamics of families.

(That's not excusing the landlord, it's saying that the concept of the nuclear family as it exists under capitalism leads to some really hosed up power dynamics, and while our long term goal should be abolition, our more immediate requirement is providing shelter and support for people trying to get away from both families and landlords.)

Nettle Soup posted:

Here's some mushrooms I saw growing on the pavement earlier. I looked at them for a minute and then decided to leave well alone.

Bobstar posted:

We lived in our rented flat in London for 7 years. The management wasn't too bad, compared to some of the stuff you hear, but most years we'd get a letter that boiled down to "the rent is going up because everybody else is doing it!"

Remember, if there's such a thing as a "fair price" for accommodation, then it's fair in the absolute (or maybe relative to wages?), not relative to the ~~market~~

Lord of the Llamas posted:

Substantial power imbalances can exist in all of those situations. Sometimes one flatmate might be the principal on the lease. Sometimes a boyfriend/girlfriend will move into their partners home they already own. Sometimes one person in a relationship/marriage will earn significantly more than the other.

quote:

In a separate move in December 2017, the government announced they were putting rogue landlords 'on notice', with the introduction of new measures to stamp out overcrowding and improve standards for those renting in the private sector. This includes new rules setting minimum size requirements for bedrooms in houses of multiple occupation:

Room used for sleeping by 1 adult: No smaller than 6.51 sq. m.
Room used for sleeping by 2 adults: No smaller than 10.22 sq. m.
Room used for sleeping by children of 10 years and younger: No smaller than 4.64 sq. m.

Miftan posted:

...are there places where that doesn't happen?

Junior G-man posted:

https://twitter.com/DreamboatSlim/status/1179730855327080448?s=20

Junior G-man posted:

https://twitter.com/DreamboatSlim/status/1179730855327080448?s=20

justcola posted:

Aye, it's loving awful, like being on a rollercoaster whilst having a whitey. I couldn't talk, when I tried to leave I ended up walking backwards, by the time I got home I was in cold sweats vomiting on my kitchen floor. Day after felt like a comedown without being able to get cosy. There's nothing enjoyable about it at all - I've done a lot of drugs and that was one of the strongest and dirtiest.

It's a loving disgrace how it's running rampant in cities, substance abuse should be a health issue rather than crime.

Tesseraction posted:

Read this as second bathroom.

Was rather horrified.

Wachter posted:

I hear you, and my job experience has exposed me to just as much family-related poo poo, but I'd argue the landlord/lodger dynamics are still unique due to the financial obligation to and dependence on a cohabitant. The closest parallel in a family would be an abusive relationship in which one partner demands money from the other under the threat of separation. Of course the latter example does happen, but is a dysfunctional relationship, unlike the landlord/lodger, which is like that by design and default.

Tesseraction posted:

Lord grant me a golf club and no witnesses

That Italian Guy posted:

2) What if you need some life saving medication and the only way you could afford it is by renting (aka: you are leveraging your capital to meet an unavoidable need)?

That Italian Guy posted:

I'm actually intrigued by the moral ramification of this thing and where the line in the sand gets drawn to the point where someone becomes bad. All these are hypothetical questions w/o a real case in mind.

1) Let's say: you have inherited wealth in the form of an apartment because your parents/grandparents/relatives generation was wealthier, but are now living with a minimum wage job and have no other forms of income. You decide to rent the second room in this apartment to someone to make sure you/your family are able to get to the end of the month. Are you a "landlord" (in the sense of "all landlords are bad")?

At what point in the slider scale you go from being "bad" to being "good" in this scenario?
2) What if you need some life saving medication and the only way you could afford it is by renting (aka: you are leveraging your capital to meet an unavoidable need)?
3) Would making your room available at X£ to someone who would otherwise be renting a room somewhere else at nX£ be ok (aka: you are making someone happy, but you could make someone happier)?
4) All form of private property is theft, but we live in a world where 99% of what goes on is based around private property. Where do you draw the line between "be the change you want to see in the world" and "there is only X I can do change the world?"

Guavanaut posted:

Horrified because you thought he was living in a booj house with two bathrooms or horrified because you thought he was making GBS threads in his office?

That Italian Guy posted:

I'm actually intrigued by the moral ramification of this thing and where the line in the sand gets drawn to the point where someone becomes bad. All these are hypothetical questions w/o a real case in mind.

1) Let's say: you have inherited wealth in the form of an apartment because your parents/grandparents/relatives generation was wealthier, but are now living with a minimum wage job and have no other forms of income. You decide to rent the second room in this apartment to someone to make sure you/your family are able to get to the end of the month. Are you a "landlord" (in the sense of "all landlords are bad")?

At what point in the slider scale you go from being "bad" to being "good" in this scenario?
2) What if you need some life saving medication and the only way you could afford it is by renting (aka: you are leveraging your capital to meet an unavoidable need)?
3) Would making your room available at X£ to someone who would otherwise be renting a room somewhere else at nX£ be ok (aka: you are making someone happy, but you could make someone happier)?
4) All form of private property is theft, but we live in a world where 99% of what goes on is based around private property. Where do you draw the line between "be the change you want to see in the world" and "there is only X I can do change the world?"

Junior G-man posted:

Two cameras on the top left and right of the storefront. I'm sorry.

Tesseraction posted:

I assuming they just meant toilet and no house should have just one toilet. Every house needs 2 toilets. The only kind of place that should have one toilet is one where you literally have zero friends or family and will never have anyone ever come to your house.




So you know, goons.

Miftan posted:

I'm not going to poo poo on someone for using the resources they have, in this system, to make sure their/their family's needs are met because we all do this. We all benefit from others having a lovely time (especially wrt the third world) but that doesn't mean that it's 100% ethical. On the other hand if you don't need that money to live and are just making a profit/making someone else pay your mortgage then you're an rear end in a top hat, yeah.

Lt. Danger posted:

what if a baby swallows the nuclear codes and the only way to get them back is by renting

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

A paintball gun will solve that. You could either target the cameras and clear the way for the golf club, or just shoot the jag directly, artillery-style

That Italian Guy posted:

I'm actually intrigued by the moral ramification of this thing and where the line in the sand gets drawn to the point where someone becomes bad. All these are hypothetical questions w/o a real case in mind.

1) Let's say: you have inherited wealth in the form of an apartment because your parents/grandparents/relatives generation was wealthier, but are now living with a minimum wage job and have no other forms of income. You decide to rent the second room in this apartment to someone to make sure you/your family are able to get to the end of the month. Are you a "landlord" (in the sense of "all landlords are bad")?

At what point in the slider scale you go from being "bad" to being "good" in this scenario?
2) What if you need some life saving medication and the only way you could afford it is by renting (aka: you are leveraging your capital to meet an unavoidable need)?
3) Would making your room available at X£ to someone who would otherwise be renting a room somewhere else at nX£ be ok (aka: you are making someone happy, but you could make someone happier)?
4) All form of private property is theft, but we live in a world where 99% of what goes on is based around private property. Where do you draw the line between "be the change you want to see in the world" and "there is only X I can do to change the world?"

Mrenda posted:

If there was actually viable social housing for people, locked in where you wouldn't have to worry about having a place to live, then there wouldn't be people in their forties hoping their parents go out nice and quietly and give them the one nice taste of capitalism (to offset the whole parent dying thing) they'll ever get in their life.

Tesseraction posted:

I assuming they just meant toilet and no house should have just one toilet. Every house needs 2 toilets. The only kind of place that should have one toilet is one where you literally have zero friends or family and will never have anyone ever come to your house.




So you know, goons.

Guavanaut posted:

Rarity posted:

Their share of bills/council tax is generally considered the ethical option.

Guavanaut posted:

Is that why Labour won't support assisted dying?

Seriously though Labour should support assisted dying, and while their commitment to better health and social care is laudable, using that to duck the assisted dying issue sucks for people who are terminally ill right now and can't afford the £10k for Dignitas.