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Mahoning posted:Huh? No I didn't. Damnit! My old age. I'm Bidening out here in real time. Here's who I meant to quote: Brony Car posted:It still blows my mind that Kennedy from Alternative Nation is now a news personality. Doctor Butts fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Oct 3, 2019 |
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Tibalt posted:So I want to talk about why the Senate removing Trump from office is almost certainly impossible. I feel like it's important to keep that in context as we go into the next few weeks. No poo poo
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Burr loving hates Trump and isn't running for reelection anyway. That'd be funny if he just said "gently caress it."
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Oct 3, 2019 18:20
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TulliusCicero posted:So wait a minute: Decades ago this right-wing propaganda machine started up, but the people in charge knew it was bullshit. At some point people started getting into power who didn't realize it was bullshit. It goes back to my analogy that republicans have become pro wrestlers who have somehow gotten to the main event of Wrestlemania without ever being told it's fake. And now they're about to go through the curtain and the promoter and money men are like "poo poo, they really don't know, do they?"
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Oct 3, 2019 18:21
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Tibalt posted:So I want to talk about why the Senate removing Trump from office is almost certainly impossible. I feel like it's important to keep that in context as we go into the next few weeks. Cruz would totally vote against trump. He hates him.
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Oct 3, 2019 18:22
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TulliusCicero posted:So wait a minute: Do we have any reason to think the Mercers aren't also huffing their own supply?
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Oct 3, 2019 18:23
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ImpAtom posted:Cool. So what is your suggestion? Because this reads as another dog whistle call to violence. So this is the latest angle to smear me with eh? Can't be bothered to engage with my arguments so just insinuate that I am trying to incite violence. Mass protests and/or a general strike targeting vulnerable infrastructure is what I have been advocating for this entire time. Violence is a nonstarter in the age of AC-130's- imo only mass refusal to cooperate with the system will succeed. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 3, 2019 18:23
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hidden_msg posted:Cruz would totally vote against trump. He hates him. Eh. Cruz and Rubio are cut from the same, formless cloth. They'd toe the party line, and I would be legit shocked sober if they didn't.
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Oct 3, 2019 18:23
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What's the math on when republicans begin seeing that trump firing up independents and non-voting leftists is more of a threat than trump's base? That seems relevant.
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Oct 3, 2019 18:24
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hidden_msg posted:Cruz would totally vote against trump. He hates him. Cruz would absolutely vote against Trump in a secret election but there's no chance in the world he'd vote to remove in a public one.
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Oct 3, 2019 18:24
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skylined! posted:What's the math on when republicans begin seeing that trump firing up independents and non-voting leftists is more of a threat than trump's base? That seems relevant. something approaching the complete dissolution of the republican party, given how many republican senators have no concern whatsoever about a general election
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Oct 3, 2019 18:25
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skylined! posted:What's the math on when republicans begin seeing that trump firing up independents and non-voting leftists is more of a threat than trump's base? That seems relevant. They genuinely won't until however many days it is to November 4th 2020
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https://mobile.twitter.com/nvgop/status/1179530407919775744 Imagine thinking this looks good for the Republican party.
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Oct 3, 2019 18:26
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skylined! posted:What's the math on when republicans begin seeing that trump firing up independents and non-voting leftists is more of a threat than trump's base? That seems relevant. If Impeach+Remove ever hits 60%, then you can start thinking about that seriously. Prior to that, it's not something they'd consider.
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Oct 3, 2019 18:27
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Prester Jane posted:The thing about voting in this country right now is we have a major unresolved problem with the voting machines being either hacked or easily hackable, and the various watchdog organizations meant to protect said machines have been effectively defunded and defanged. It really doesn't matter what the actual vote tallies will be when the Trump Administration is going to be in charge of counting the votes. This is categorically and verifiably false as all hell. The Trump Administration does not have any control over counting votes. That belongs to the states, and each state is it’s own unique brand of insanity.
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pacerhimself posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/nvgop/status/1179530407919775744 Warren's still glowing from all that loving she gets from Marine bodybuilders. 
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Prester Jane posted:Violence is a nonstarter in the age of AC-130's- imo only mass refusal to cooperate with the system will succeed.
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Prester Jane posted:So this is the latest angle to smear me with eh? Can't be bothered to engage with my arguments so just insinuate that I am trying to incite violence. Why would those matter in a world where Trump will steal the election? You keep saying everything is hopeless and rigged and police own the cities but are now trying to claim a general strike will resolve things. Almost every statement you make has the implication that drastic violent action is the only choice. Then when you get it pointed out you pretend you don't mean any such thing. You may recognize this as the exact same behavior Trump was doing before he started to say the quiet part loud.
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pacerhimself posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/nvgop/status/1179530407919775744 their big own is literally like a dozen people shouting "POCAHONTAS" and "arglebargle SOCIALISM" while chasing someone around who clearly isn't intimidated or giving a poo poo about them
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Oct 3, 2019 18:29
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pacerhimself posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/nvgop/status/1179530407919775744 lol that they can't keep up with a 70 year old woman and half are visibly winded by the end
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Oct 3, 2019 18:29
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Your Boy Fancy posted:This is categorically and verifiably false as all hell. The Trump Administration does not have any control over counting votes. That belongs to the states, and each state is it’s own unique brand of insanity.
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Oct 3, 2019 18:30
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Scott Forstall posted:lol that they can't keep up with a 70 year old woman and half are visibly winded by the end The Rascal Brigade is far less effective when forced to dismount.
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Anecdotal story time. So I talked to my dad yesterday while visiting home. He's part of those people who are middle of the road voters. Voted for Bush, then Clinton, then Bush, then Kerry, then Obama and finally Hillary. Slightly leaning dem, but only slightly. Mostly just on the strength of their economic policies. A pocketbook voter. I was sitting with my mom in the kitchen and she's asking me if Trump should be impeached and I say yes. We have a small discussion and my dad, who I've been telling Trump is a senile old crook for years and he thinks that the president isn't the brightest and somewhat corrupt asked me straight up if he thinks Trump is going to plot a coup to keep power to keep from being prosecuted. Now my dad is basically a CNN watching guy, which is gross because it's basically professional wrestling news, but whatever. He'll watch Colbert who's become terribly unfunny and laughs at his dumb impressions. He reads centrist newspapers and I'm wondering where the hell he's getting these ideas from, because he's never delved into conspiracy minded news sources at all, even if those conspiracies are real. And I realized that that sort of talk is penetrating into the centrist news sources. I don't know where he's getting the ideas, but it's coming from centrist news sources because that's all he consumes. That Trump may launch a coup to save himself from prison and bankruptcy. And he's nodding along in a thoughtful, worried way to things that I've been saying for years. That Trump is a terrible president, that he's openly cruel, that he's incompetent, that he's senile. More nods. And he asks me if I think he could pull it off and I say no, but it'll get really nasty. That we'll see a spike in white supremacist terrorist attacks beyond anything we've seen since maybe the fifties and sixties. And probably worse because they're more interested in spree shooting, hitting soft targets. That sort of thing. That to pull off a successful coup, you need the police, intelligence services and military on your side. That Trump has done nothing to ingratiate himself with the military, often making GBS threads on them, the intelligence agencies actively hate his guts and that really only the police will back him. And police will find themselves overwhelmed by any kind of mass action. Also that the people who would be running the coup from the top, the intelligent, ruthless, calculating people have almost all been poo poo canned. That almost everyone with military experience has been fired, and anyone who can lead large insurrections and can command loyalty from troops has also been not only fired, but publicly stabbed in the back. But that it will take action for people to depose him if he tries to launch a coup. My dad, talking about this poo poo. It's weird. We talked for a while if he was just going to leverage his assets and flee to Russia. Personally I think that's possible, but unlikely. He'll have to really feel like he can't win and reality doesn't pierce his bubble often and when it does, he flies into narcissistic rages. That my real worry is that he's going to dig in his heels during the lame duck session if/when he loses, if our voting machines aren't hopelessly compromised (if) and that he'll have about a month to see who deserts him and if his attempted coup gains strength and hurts a ton of people or if Trump basically self-immolates while making GBS threads himself. He said it would be the end of America if there is a coup, even a failed one. I disagreed. It would be the end of the republican party. That in history, parties have collapsed and news ones have arisen over time. A party going down doesn't take down the country. Or that it rarely does. Civil war would definitely fracture the country, but the republicans don't actually want that despite their rhetoric. That most of them are horribly old and old people don't fight in the streets. And then, thoughtful and disturbed, he went upstairs to go to sleep. Or maybe not. I finished my beer and went right to sleep, because I've been dealing with these thoughts for probably the last two or three years. And he's going through what I went through, years behind me. And that if people like my dad can speak about these ideas, even if just in private, that something is finally changing. That ideas that were previously unthinkable by most people are now being thought, considered and spoken. poo poo is changing. Ice Phisherman fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Oct 3, 2019 |
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Bottom Liner posted:No poo poo It’s still good to lay out “why” for the people in the back. Thanks for the analysis Tibalt.
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hidden_msg posted:Cruz would totally vote against trump. He hates him. Personally probably yes, publicly hell no he's a loving party stooge the whole way. No question.
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ImpAtom posted:You keep saying everything is hopeless and rigged and police own the cities but are now trying to claim a general strike will resolve things. Direct drastic action on the part of the body politic is necessary, but violent actions will fail. There is nothing inconsistent in my stance, and I have been advocating the same approach for over a year now.
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skylined! posted:What's the math on when republicans begin seeing that trump firing up independents and non-voting leftists is more of a threat than trump's base? That seems relevant. I don't think there is any scenario where elected GOP members can turn on Trump. Non-voting leftists and independents who don't like Trump aren't going to vote for a Republican who kinda-sorta-recently stood up to him. No matter how bad he gets, or what it does to the polls, those voters loyal to Trump under any circumstance are the only ones they are going to get. Every Republican is attached to Trump at the hip until they decide to quit politics. Also, those approval numbers are really bad for Democrats. Trump talks about adding numbers to his polls to get the true number, but there is definitely a shy Tory effect when it comes to polling on Trump, so I'd definitely tack on 3-5 points to get a more accurate picture of where he stands in an election. Remember, in 2016 he got elected with 46% of the vote, with sub 40% approval numbers.
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Not American but have been following this carnival sideshow for the last week quite a bit when I'm feeling bored and need to laugh while being terrified at the same time. I understand that impeachment doesn't mean removal from office. What is the penalty associated with getting impeached, in that case? Seems like kind of a lovely situation to tell your leader Hey, you've done illegal things and flagrantly abused your power, but you can keep the keys to the country and continue your corruption. I can't imagine fines or reputation would deter him much, considering he's too far gone to notice his reputation is poo poo and he's been the laughing stock of world politics since he was inaugurated. Also, it seems like the house voting to impeach is pretty likely, but how many republican votes would need to flip to have the senate vote to impeach as well? Or am I fundamentally misunderstanding the situation?
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sexpig by night posted:their big own is literally like a dozen people shouting "POCAHONTAS" and "arglebargle SOCIALISM" while chasing someone around who clearly isn't intimidated or giving a poo poo about them Angrily shouting "SOCIALISM IS A MENTAL ILLNESS" while chasing a 70 year old woman around sure is a thing. They sound like the doomcryers at college campuses.
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Hobojim posted:Not American but have been following this carnival sideshow for the last week quite a bit when I'm feeling bored and need to laugh while being terrified at the same time. The punishment is removal. Technically the check on the President is the legislature and they can keep him in office but remove most of his powers via the law, but the Republicans mostly just care about primary voters so they don't do poo poo.
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Is it just me or does Warren have scarily little physical security there? Did she just walk off a commercial flight?
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FBS posted:have y'all never seen actual Christianity before today
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haveblue posted:Is it just me or does Warren have scarily little physical security there? Did she just walk off a commercial flight? A Cherokee warrior can take care of herself.
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haveblue posted:Is it just me or does Warren have scarily little physical security there? Did she just walk off a commercial flight? Sh'es got a 24yo war vet just off camera ready to do whatever she says.
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I think right now I need someone to tell me Trump isn't likely to be reelected, because I'm down right terrified at this point that he can do anything and still win.
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haveblue posted:Is it just me or does Warren have scarily little physical security there? Did she just walk off a commercial flight? If she has literally just exited the gate then she's in the secure area of the airport. If that's the case then I'm wondering exactly how a bunch of prepared, sign-waving Trump cultists were right there waiting for her. Doesn't a general public schlub have to be a confirmed passenger to get past a TSA checkpoint?
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haveblue posted:Is it just me or does Warren have scarily little physical security there? Did she just walk off a commercial flight? Didn't want to say anything, but yeah--that worried me too. Granted, she was taken immediately from the plane to a waiting car, but that's still a large area of vulnerability. I kept expecting one of the chuds to try and Kerrigan her or something. paperwind posted:If she has literally just exited the gate then she's in the secure area of the airport. Plus, she's a 70yo woman. Even an unarmed attack could be real dangerous. OAquinas fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Oct 3, 2019 |
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