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Everyone at the event has devolved into straight up harassing whol, including someone is playing the beginning of Tom Petty's Free Fallin at him, until he finally gave up and went inside. The crowd seemed pretty pleased with the performance. Unfortunately, I have to report that this event may be a fraudulent attempt to make Warren look cool as hell https://twitter.com/BrandyZadrozny/status/1179833719902760960
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Wow someone actually polled Ohio for the first time since July https://twitter.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1179790079675555840?s=21
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Gripweed posted:Apparently Elizabeth Warren enjoys BDSM, rough sex, and threesomes with sexually adventurous busty women. By issuing a correction that actually warren is extremely vanilla alongside her test result from the kinsey scale
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I would respect warren if her campaign released a tweet that was just “lol” in response to Wohl.
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Gripweed posted:Apparently Elizabeth Warren enjoys BDSM, rough sex, and threesomes with sexually adventurous busty women. https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1179837892778029057
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Oct 3, 2019 20:20
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Obviously the allegation is phony, but is the phony allegation that she assualted this young man? Or is it simply that she had very cool sex with a rippling pile of muscles? Because the latter hardly sounds bad.
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https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1179823638306050053?s=19 I'm sold
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overmind2000 posted:Wow someone actually polled Ohio for the first time since July If you credit Buttigieg the MoE, he *might* be scraping double digits in the state neighboring his home state. amazing how big money donors can forestall "when is he going to drop out?" questions.
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joepinetree posted:What do you think of Stacey Abrams as VP? Buttgieg? At least Stacey Abrams was the minority leader in Georgia (a position of major responsiblity) and won multiple elections at the local level and took it down to the wire in a gubenatorial race in a large Red state (where the victory was almost surely stolen from her). That's a far better resume, IMO. I think Buttgieg creates similar problems to Turner.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Obviously the allegation is phony, but is the phony allegation that she assualted this young man? Or is it simply that she had very cool sex with a rippling pile of muscles? Because the latter hardly sounds bad. it's the latter they're accusing warren of having hot (admittedly extramarital) sex with a hot dude well under half her age which is a big part of why this is all hilarious
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GreyjoyBastard posted:it's the latter AND a busty 24yo woman. You know, for Phub search optimization.
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Oh hey I didn't know periscope links worked after the fact. Imo it gets real good at around the 31 minute mark - https://www.pscp.tv/w/1BdGYeDDwOMGX
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GreyjoyBastard posted:it's the latter they repeatedly denied that she hired him as a prostitute as well and then blamed this on woman problems 
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Oct 3, 2019 20:48
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Warren was horny, but she had a plan for that...
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Oct 3, 2019 21:07
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The Glumslinger posted:I regret to inform the thread that Liz Warren is, in fact, a cougar check the date 
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have sanders and warren ever had an adversarial relationship or is it purely an online thing from their supporters
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GreyjoyBastard posted:check the date helluva sub-tweet.
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cargo cult posted:have sanders and warren ever had an adversarial relationship or is it purely an online thing from their supporters option b the heat's ticked up as the Hillary dead-enders who were all in on Harris have slowly shuffled to the next most reasonable compromise that averts the unthinkable
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cargo cult posted:have sanders and warren ever had an adversarial relationship or is it purely an online thing from their supporters It’s mostly supporters throwing elbows because they know only one can win.
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cargo cult posted:have sanders and warren ever had an adversarial relationship or is it purely an online thing from their supporters Almost entirely the latter. There was a small bit of shade from Sirota like once implied toward Warren, I think. In general it's been a non aggression pact, which makes any time Bernie + Liz top 50% in a poll a good sign.
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Nina Turner hasn't even won a statewide election, unlike famously good national candidates Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine
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Pander posted:Almost entirely the latter. There was a small bit of shade from Sirota like once implied toward Warren, I think. In general it's been a non aggression pact, which makes any time Bernie + Liz top 50% in a poll a good sign. Theoretically yes but I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that Warren can recover a lot of sanders voters and vice versa. Morning consult’s polling data shows the Sanders voters’ second choice is generally... Biden, which seems odd because ideologically you wouldn’t think that’s the case. The same thing holds true for Warren supporters. Theoretically their combined support shows broad support for a leftist candidate but if the two camps thoroughly poison support among their opponents base then I don’t know how well they convert post primary. Which doesn’t mean that trump gets the votes in the general as much as you get a deactivated base and voters staying home. Everyone sort of tells themselves that trump is bad enough that people wouldn’t do that but you already see some sentiment bubbling up in this thread about how Warren is straight up unacceptable under any scenario.
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In 2008 Hillary ran a hosed up Southern Strategy that implied Obama was a stealth terrorist lying about his religion and did a bunch of racist rear end dogwhistling about how he wasn't a Real American and he still blew McCain away because it turns out that diehard Clinton fans aren't a significant number of voters. Same with the Warren brainworms crew, they don't matter at all
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predicto posted:At least Stacey Abrams was the minority leader in Georgia (a position of major responsiblity) and won multiple elections at the local level and took it down to the wire in a gubenatorial race in a large Red state (where the victory was almost surely stolen from her). That's a far better resume, IMO. I mean, one was in the state senate for 6 years, the other in the state house (lower chamber) for 10, so it seems like a really bizarre distinction to want to make. Especially the "won multiple elections" part since every single one of Abrams' elections to the lower house were also uncontested. Of course, my question wasn't really about Abrams. It's about what we really mean by experience. Nina Turner is too inexperienced, but no one ever raised that issue with regards to Abrams, or to Buttgieg now, or a number of other people. Because the who "experience" canard only appears as an excuse.
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VitalSigns posted:In 2008 Hillary ran a hosed up Southern Strategy that implied Obama was a stealth terrorist lying about his religion and did a bunch of racist rear end dogwhistling about how he wasn't a Real American and he still blew McCain away because it turns out that diehard Clinton fans aren't a significant number of voters. The Bernie campaign is better without potential warrenist bad influencers seeking to centrist-road the campaign from within anyway
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Delthalaz posted:Has Bernie come around on ending the filibuster yet? He has a much more convoluted system for accomplishing the same thing (just say that things are legal under reconciliation and then have the VP overrule the parliamentarian when they call bullshit), that I personally feel like violates way more of the norms and rules than just straight up changing the rule
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The Glumslinger posted:He has much more convoluted system for accomplishing the same thing, that I personally feel like violates way more of the norms and rules than just changing the rule The thing to keep in mind with his idea vs the filibuster is his plan is something his administration (specifically the VP) actually has influence over. Ending the filibuster, by contrast, is something that the Senate would have to do, and that his only influence would be through pressuring senators.
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King of Solomon posted:The thing to keep in mind with his idea vs the filibuster is his plan is something his administration (specifically the VP) actually has influence over. Ending the filibuster, by contrast, is something that the Senate would have to do, and that his only influence would be through pressuring senators. Looks like reconciliation is declared by the Budget subcomittees and not the entire chamber. Regardless, if the majority of the Senate wasn't willing to go along with removing the filibuster, I struggle to believe that those "decorum" obssessed jackasses would vote for something that uses this method to get around it. The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Oct 3, 2019 |
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VitalSigns posted:In 2008 Hillary ran a hosed up Southern Strategy that implied Obama was a stealth terrorist lying about his religion and did a bunch of racist rear end dogwhistling about how he wasn't a Real American and he still blew McCain away because it turns out that diehard Clinton fans aren't a significant number of voters. Conversely, I don't think the Really Mad bernie or busters in this thread are a particularly representative group / big problem in the general. And despite the polling about second choices I suspect that if Warren (or Bernie) drops out and endorses Bernie (or Warren), that'll swing an awful lot of their supporters. I would genuinely be surprised if they endorsed anybody else even though Tulsi is to the left of Warren, particularly on climate change, where the ashes of a billion Muslims would increase Earth's albedo
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The Glumslinger posted:A majority of the Senate would still need to agree to bring up the bill under Reconciliation for the process to even begin, so I really don't see how its any better than just getting that majority of Senators to rewrite the rules on filibusters Senators would actually have to vote against bringing up healthcare for people, instead of getting to go "well you know I voted for healthcare in cloture but blah blah blah tradition my hands are tied" E: also a lot of them voted for Obamacare in reconciliation
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The Glumslinger posted:A majority of the Senate would still need to agree to bring up the bill under Reconciliation for the process to even begin, so I really don't see how its any better than just getting that majority of Senators to rewrite the rules on filibusters edit: quote:"Is it the sense of the Senate that the debate shall be brought to a close?" And if that question shall be decided in the affirmative by three-fifths of the Senators duly chosen and sworn -- except on a measure or motion to amend the Senate rules, in which case the necessary affirmative vote shall be two-thirds of the Senators present and voting -- then said measure, motion, or other matter pending before the Senate, or the unfinished business, shall be the unfinished business to the exclusion of all other business until disposed of.
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twodot posted:You need 2/3 to change the rules so getting around the filibuster is always going to involve a certain amount of fuckery. Simple majority to change the Senate rules, that's in the Constitution
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The Glumslinger posted:A majority of the Senate would still need to agree to bring up the bill under Reconciliation for the process to even begin, so I really don't see how its any better than just getting that majority of Senators to rewrite the rules on filibusters By the same logic, I don't see how it's worse either, though? The filibuster thing is very obviously something people retroactively come up with when trying to find reasons to justify choosing Warren. GreyjoyBastard posted:Conversely, I don't think the Really Mad bernie or busters in this thread are a particularly representative group / big problem in the general. It only takes a small percent of voters to make a difference, and there's a non-trivial number of Sanders supporters who basically drew a line in the sand this time around after 2016 (while the anti-Sanders types have likely stayed relatively constant). It only needs to be a few percent to be relevant. Also, you use mocking language, but the people who realize Sanders is the only decent option are still correct. Arguments along the lines of "well other people disagree" are always the last resort when someone realizes they can't actually engage the point on moral or factual merits. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Oct 3, 2019 |
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twodot posted:You need 2/3 to change the rules so getting around the filibuster is always going to involve a certain amount of fuckery. You need 2/3rds to change the rules, but only a majority to set a precedent. The filibuster changes that have already happened were done with a majority vote because Senate rules are calvinball and nothing makes sense.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Conversely, I don't think the Really Mad bernie or busters in this thread are a particularly representative group / big problem in the general. Correct, just like they weren't in 2016 either. The problem in the general for Warren will be when she tacks to the center, can't explain how she will help a single person but will claim she has a 472-point plan that you can't see right now, and goes to closed door fundraisers with the hated billionaires that Trump will tie to her. Ie the same reasons Hillary had problems turning out ordinary not-online people. And of course the brainworms crew will blame this all on the people who warned them about it in the first place, and say that the loss was all thanks to BernieBusters who poisoned the electorate back in 2019 by saying corruption is bad and healthcare is good.
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Concerned Citizen posted:You need 2/3rds to change the rules, but only a majority to set a precedent. The filibuster changes that have already happened were done with a majority vote because Senate rules are calvinball and nothing makes sense.
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Ytlaya posted:By the same logic, I don't see how it's worse either, though? Well, the biggest issue is that there is a pretty good chance it is not legally permissible under the Congressional Budget Act, and would thus leave legislation passed in such a matter in the hands of the courts.
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