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Suicide Squad failed at being Guardians of the Galaxy, so Harley Quinn is going to be Deadpool. Hoping the best for it. All the characters (or what you can see of them) look pretty good.
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SlimGoodbody posted:Suicide Squad is a staggering achievement in not trusting the intelligence of the audience and also in unbelievably terrible writing, editing, pacing, and tone setting. Suicide Squad is The Room level bad, in that it not only fails at being a movie, it fails in a way that exposes a fascinating and perplexing underlying skeleton made of terrible decisions. Most bad movies are just boring, but Suicide Squad is bad in a way that forces the audience to ask questions, such as "Why does this movie have three first acts?" and "Why is one of the first acts repeated nearly verbatim twice in fifteen minutes, as if the audience were the guy from Memento?" and "Did the movie literally just forget that some of its characters existed for half an hour at a time?"
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Oct 3, 2019 02:54
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That is probably the best explanation of this film I've read yet
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Oct 3, 2019 03:39
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Suicide Squad is a massive disappointment on top of just being an awful movie, because at its heart, the concept is perfect for an action movie franchise. A team of imprisoned supervillains, often accompanied by a few very damaged good guys, are conscripted to go on dangerous black-ops missions for the government, where they are all expendable. If they survive enough times, they might get suspended sentences, but if they try to escape or don't follow orders, they'll be killed by bombs in their heads detonating. So characters undertake these badass missions: impossible heists, undercover operations, huge fights, and more. Some of them find redemption along the way, some die, and some are just so far gone that they work against the team achieving its goals. That's box office gold right there, especially now that the general public is more accepting of superhero/supervillain dynamics. Take bad and broken people and put them up against far worse threats. John Ostrander had the formula perfected back in 1987. I generally enjoy David Ayer's movies, but man, did he (and those WB suits) miss the point.
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https://twitter.com/HeatVisionBlog/status/1179464197077209088?s=19
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Oct 3, 2019 07:31
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My favorite part of Venom will forever be Tom Hardy's hair varying wildly from jet black to a bit dark I guess from scene to scene. Occasionally from cut to cut in the same scene. It's mesmerizing.
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Oct 3, 2019 07:41
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Back from Joker, which was much rougher than I was expecting. It only got an R16 rating here (rather than the top R18) My boss at work today was wondering if he should give his 17 year old kid the okay to go. I'm gonna tell him, probably not.
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Oct 3, 2019 09:11
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SonicRulez posted:My favorite part of Venom will forever be Tom Hardy's hair varying wildly from jet black to a bit dark I guess from scene to scene. Occasionally from cut to cut in the same scene. It's mesmerizing. I didn’t notice this when I watched it. Do you think it was an intentional representation of the symbiote, or a technical issue with the color grade and your TV/projector? Or a continuity flub due to reshoots (did they do reshoots on this?)
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Oct 3, 2019 13:35
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Fsmhunk posted:This is some of the worst writing I've ever heard in a movir, incredible lol. The thing bout Suicide Squad is it's a cinematic Frankenstein. They pushed the script out in a month, Ayer had never done a movie that big before, did reshoots without involving the director and then re-edited it with a company that did movie trailers which is why everybody has their little introduction spiel and also the movie starts twice. I don't know if Ayers flick would have been better but it might have been coherent. (Certainly I don't want to claim every bad line of dialogue isn't Ayer's fault, because I'm sure some are.)
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Oct 3, 2019 13:37
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SonicRulez posted:My favorite part of Venom will forever be Tom Hardy's hair varying wildly from jet black to a bit dark I guess from scene to scene. Occasionally from cut to cut in the same scene. It's mesmerizing. My hair's like that in real life tbh
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Oct 3, 2019 15:01
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If you used the symbiote as hair gel I bet you'd get some killer hold.
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Oct 3, 2019 15:25
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Chill Penguin posted:I didn’t notice this when I watched it. Do you think it was an intentional representation of the symbiote, or a technical issue with the color grade and your TV/projector? Or a continuity flub due to reshoots (did they do reshoots on this?) They did reshoots. It wasn't intentional and it wasn't the projector lmao.
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Oct 3, 2019 15:46
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Dawgstar posted:The thing bout Suicide Squad is it's a cinematic Frankenstein. Great way to describe it. There's like 2-3 cuts of the movie just kind of jammed together. And then on top of that, Juggalo Joker is added.
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Oct 3, 2019 19:04
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notthegoatseguy posted:Great way to describe it. There's like 2-3 cuts of the movie just kind of jammed together. And then on top of that, Juggalo Joker is added. According to Leto and Ayer, they shot enough Joker poo poo to cut his own full length film.
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Oct 3, 2019 19:11
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Rhyno posted:Leto... Joker... full length film. I'm good.
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Oct 3, 2019 19:20
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Dawgstar posted:The thing bout Suicide Squad is it's a cinematic Frankenstein. They pushed the script out in a month, Ayer had never done a movie that big before, did reshoots without involving the director and then re-edited it with a company that did movie trailers which is why everybody has their little introduction spiel and also the movie starts twice. I don't know if Ayers flick would have been better but it might have been coherent. (Certainly I don't want to claim every bad line of dialogue isn't Ayer's fault, because I'm sure some are.) #ReleaseTheAyerCut
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Oct 3, 2019 21:12
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Listen if there's a cut out there without "Here comes Slipknot, the man who can climb anything" in it then I don't acknowledge its existence.
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Oct 3, 2019 21:38
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He just loving gets out of a car after everyone else has already been introduced, it's so goddamn funny
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Oct 3, 2019 21:39
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Rhyno posted:According to Leto and Ayer, they shot enough Joker poo poo to cut his own full length film. Delete the Leto cut.
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Oct 3, 2019 21:42
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Arist posted:He just loving gets out of a car after everyone else has already been introduced, it's so goddamn funny Then he dies before he can climb anything.
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Oct 3, 2019 22:07
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X-O posted:Listen if there's a cut out there without "Here comes Slipknot, the man who can climb anything" in it then I don't acknowledge its existence. I love that in a world with literal gods fly around and destroying cities being able to climb poo poo is supposed to be impressive.
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Oct 3, 2019 22:15
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JT Smiley posted:I love that in a world with literal gods fly around and destroying cities being able to climb poo poo is supposed to be impressive. He can climb anything He could climb a earthquake He can climb a bear He could climb a society
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Oct 3, 2019 22:21
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He could climb Batman. Just think about that.
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Oct 3, 2019 22:30
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Jamesman posted:#ReleaseTheAyerCut No, I think that would mean more Leto Joker and isn't there enough suffering in the world?
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Oct 3, 2019 22:37
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Endless Mike posted:He could climb Batman. Just think about that. To be honest, not a day goes by that I don't think about climbing Batman
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Oct 3, 2019 22:40
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SonicRulez posted:My favorite part of Venom will forever be Tom Hardy's hair varying wildly from jet black to a bit dark I guess from scene to scene. Occasionally from cut to cut in the same scene. It's mesmerizing. I didn't notice that either but only watched a montage review or two. I can see myself going with it unless it happens before he gets Venomed. So, which film gets the award for giving the least amount of shits regarding basic film making? Venom, The Predator or Suicide Squad?
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Oct 3, 2019 22:41
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Arist posted:He just loving gets out of a car after everyone else has already been introduced, it's so goddamn funny I still say they missed a golden opportunity to later in the film have the bad guy be able to be easily beaten if only they had a guy who could climb anything and make super knots.
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Oct 3, 2019 23:07
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One major problem with Suicide Squad is the big mission being to take care of a problem from within. The Villian should have been external, or they had to eliminate The Riddler because he had figured out how to disable the bombs like in the animated movie. Someone thinks Cara D should be a huge star when she's, like okay I guess?
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Vince MechMahon posted:Then he dies before he can climb anything. It would have been really, really funny if his skill was essential to completing their mission. "We gotta disable the bomb before it blows us all up!" -"Where is it?!" "All the way up there..." -"Awww f-" Credits roll.
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twistedmentat posted:One major problem with Suicide Squad is the big mission being to take care of a problem from within. The Villian should have been external, or they had to eliminate The Riddler because he had figured out how to disable the bombs like in the animated movie. I think that's fine in theory because the suicide squad is ultimately a terrible idea by people who don't trust superheroes and think enslaved psychopaths doing illegal black ops is more acceptable. The very concept is a parody of US conservative foreign policy and grossly violates human rights, so having it blow up in their face almost immediately is fine. The problem was with the horrible execution.
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Lurdiak posted:I think that's fine in theory because the suicide squad is ultimately a terrible idea by people who don't trust superheroes and think enslaved psychopaths doing illegal black ops is more acceptable. The very concept is a parody of US conservative foreign policy and grossly violates human rights, so having it blow up in their face almost immediately is fine. The problem was with the horrible execution. it would have been fine if the plot was about Task Force X being sent in to clean up one of Waller's past messes, but when the villain only becomes a potentially world-ending threat in the first place because of Waller's attempts to enlist her for the team, it completely undercuts the premise of the film, as well as Waller's character by making her look completely incompetent. It doesn't help that Enchantress is horribly generic and uninteresting even by 2010s live-action supervillain standards, and that nothing about her (aside from being unleashed as a result of Waller's incompetence) plays to the black-ops nature of the Squad in any way.
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Oct 4, 2019 01:16
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The new one should have Slipknot come back as The Spectre
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Retro Futurist posted:The new one should have Slipknot come back as The Spectre I get the feeling that Waller doesn't really escape an encounter with Spectre unscathed
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Part of the problem with the premise is that the requirement for SS to fit into a shared universe undercuts it. If it was just a black ops team full of criminals that Waller creates because no one will miss them if they get got, then that would be fine. But, instead, in order to fit in with the DCEU it's shown that the team is made to potentially respond to a Superman level threat, which is a lot harder to buy. None of the Squad seem to be equipped to deal with someone who could decimate a skyscraper by sneezing too hard. I mean what's Captain Boomerang gonna do? But, plenty of films have got by with dodgy central conceits before and blasted through with strong execution. As discussed though, the film-making of Suicide Squad is so catastrophically misjudged that it's hard to point to any single element that survives the process. Margot Robbie's performance maybe?
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Oct 4, 2019 02:34
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Kryptonite boomerang.
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Suicide Squad being kinda underpowered is in line with the comics, though. They generally don't have any heavy hitters because you'd need a pretty big bomb to make Black Adam thug for you.
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Karloff posted:Part of the problem with the premise is that the requirement for SS to fit into a shared universe undercuts it. If it was just a black ops team full of criminals that Waller creates because no one will miss them if they get got, then that would be fine. Look at this guy not thinking Slipknot, the man who can climb anything, being able to climb Superman isn't enough to stop him.
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Oct 4, 2019 05:07
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I mean....has anyone tried climbing him? We don't know it wouldn't work.
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Oct 4, 2019 05:29
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Dawgstar posted:Suicide Squad being kinda underpowered is in line with the comics, though. They generally don't have any heavy hitters because you'd need a pretty big bomb to make Black Adam thug for you. In the comics their entire existence isn't justified by someone saying "What if we have to kill Superman?" though. Also I saw Joker. It's fine.
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The 12th greatest film of all time according to the infallible polling of Internet Movie Database dot com can't simply be "fine". Who are you kidding?
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